Student expelled by law school after posting ‘It’s OK to be white’ flyers: report

[Jolly_Penguin]

...and if he doesn't know that "white" is code for "racist, segregationist asshole with fascist tendencies" in this country, then he's a fucking moron raised by wolves.

But there's nobody equating white with things that aren't ok, right? It's ok to be white. It doesn't make you a "racist segregationist asshole with fascist tendencies".

Nor does merely being white make you fair game to be assaulted if other white people did bad things to your black assailant, as you kept arguing in the other thread.

It's sad that non-white people have to tell some of you white people to stop being racist even as you think you are standing up against racism. White Guilt is powerful stuff. It's ok to be white buddy. You aren't a monster. And you're not personally responsible for what some people who look like you did to people who look like me. We can stand together against prejudice and racism, without you feeling any need to personally apologize to me for it.

 

[Jarhyn]

There IS a small contingent of idiots among white people who think that it's not OK to be white. They are racist, the Uncle Ruckus of white people. But they are a vanishing minority.

No. They are a growing minority, enabled by PC culture, and they aren't just white people.

They need to be spoken about in specific terms but there is no wise justification for messaging against them in broad, loud announcements that, in such contex and with a lack of prescient messaging, implies "its not ok to be not--X"

Addressing racism publically, including addressing racist SJWs is perfectly fine. If people insist on reading into it, thats on them.

It's one thing if somebody is attacking you. It's quite another to read in that somebody is attacking you if they are merely defending themselves from people attacking them with such a benign statement as that it's ok to be them.

By doing so you send them the message that it's not ok to be them, that their mere being white is a problem, and justify their very act of saying iit is ok. If you want them to stop saying it is ok and to shake their feelings of persecution so they are less prone to saying this often, then maybe don't feed into and justify it. A mere shrug of the shoulders and a "yeah ok then.." would do it.

"Addressing racism" is perfectly fine provided a context or racism needing address. Without that, without racism there to address, messages that WOULD "address racism" are contextually racist themselves.

For the statement to be a benign self-defense requires an attack. An attack that is not done in self defense is just an assault.

It's not a benign statement without a context that makes it so. If you wish to speak against some minority of extreme SJWs, and they're not there saying "It's Not OK" YOU are responsible to provide that context or accept responsibility that your lack of context makes the statement racist and ethnonationalist.

You speak in half truths and leaving out necessary context and pretending we don't see it. We see it.

Minorities generally get the benefit of the doubt because of the far-reaching social context of historical legal discrimination. White people don't have that. So if you want to say "it's ok to be white", you need to be explicit about context.

The fact that you are not require ng this context to be provided in the statement means you are acting in bad faith.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

...and if he doesn't know that "white" is code for "racist, segregationist asshole with fascist tendencies" in this country, then he's a fucking moron raised by wolves.

But there's nobody equating white with things that aren't ok, right?

It's not an ethics debate. He posted the sign to deliberately provoke, not declare some benign good will toward man.

It's ok to be white buddy.

There's no such thing buddy, so the very basis of your sea lioning bullshit betrays a furtherance of bigotry at the very least.

 

[Toni]

There IS a small contingent of idiots among white people who think that it's not OK to be white. They are racist, the Uncle Ruckus of white people. But they are a vanishing minority.

No. They are a growing minority, enabled by PC culture, and they aren't just white people.

I disagree that they are 'enabled by PC culture.' People will find any excuse they can to justify their bad behavior and if they can't find an excuse, they are happy to make one up. As is done here.

Addressing racism publically, including addressing racist SJWs is perfectly fine. If people insist on reading into it, thats on them.

It's on everybody to realize that other people have different perspectives and that anybody can unconsciously support a position that is unethical or morally wrong or do so without understanding the implications of their statements or positions. I think of some of the phrases and terms that were commonly used in my childhood and am embarrassed now that I didn't realize what a term actually meant or the negative connotations contained therein.

It's one thing if somebody is attacking you. It's quite another to read in that somebody is attacking you if they are merely defending themselves from people attacking them with such a benign statement as that it's ok to be them.

By doing so you send them the message that it's not ok to be them, that their mere being white is a problem, and justify their very act of saying iit is ok. If you want them to stop saying it is ok and to shake their feelings of persecution so they are less prone to saying this often, then maybe don't feed into and justify it. A mere shrug of the shoulders and a "yeah ok then.." would do it.

There is a difference between finding someone OK and finding someone's behavior or words to be OK. Objecting to someone's overt or veiled or even unconscious racism is not the same thing as objecting to the person themselves. It can be a fine line about when to speak up and call out behavior (not at a holiday gathering) and when it is better to quietly offer up a different interpretation or take and when it is better to change the subject. People can and do change over time, sometimes. And sometimes not. Shouting and name calling only effects change in that it destroys relationships and any chance of reaching the other person.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

It's not an ethics debate. He posted the sign to deliberately provoke, not declare some benign good will toward man.

Seems to me that he posted it in defiance against and to provoke and expose people like yourself who equate white with not ok and think it fine to assault white people because other white people did bad things, yes. And here you are proving him right.

 

[Jarhyn]

It's not an ethics debate. He posted the sign to deliberately provoke, not declare some benign good will toward man.

Seems to me that he posted it in defiance against and to provoke and expose people like yourself who equate white with not ok and think it fine to assault white people because other white people did bad things, yes. And here you are proving him right.

If this was his honest intent, he had every opportunity to.provide the context of the message in the message itself that would free him of that. He didn't. Therefore he is either racist, or a useful idiot supporting racists.

 

[laughing dog]

It's not an ethics debate. He posted the sign to deliberately provoke, not declare some benign good will toward man.

Seems to me that he posted it in defiance against and to provoke and expose people like yourself who equate white with not ok and think it fine to assault white people because other white people did bad things, yes. And here you are proving him right.

Since no one here equates with with not ok nor is anyone in this thread advocating assaulting anyone. So once again, you embarrass yourself with an argument based on a stupid straw men. And all because you the need to enable an apparent bigot.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

and think it fine to assault white people because other white people did bad things

You just can't help betraying yourself.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

...and if he doesn't know that "white" is code for "racist, segregationist asshole with fascist tendencies" in this country, then he's a fucking moron raised by wolves.

But there's nobody equating white with things that aren't ok, right?

Since no one here equates with with not ok

Ok then.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

...and if he doesn't know that "white" is code for "racist, segregationist asshole with fascist tendencies" in this country, then he's a fucking moron raised by wolves.

But there's nobody equating white with things that aren't ok, right?

Since no one here equates with with not ok

Ok then.

Code: a word or phrase chosen in place of another word or phrase in order to communicate an attitude or meaning without stating it explicitly. Iow, the asswipe is the one equating "white" with things that aren't ok, he just doesn't give a shit that they aren't ok and/or thinks they are just fine.

Which is, of course, what makes him an asswipe.

 

[Gun Nut]

"I'm proud to be black" is a response to being vilified for being black at an institutionalized, societal level.
What, then, is "I'm proud to be white" a response to?

Nope. Sorry. The Nation of Islam are black supremacists who believe the white race are devils. They say, "I'm proud to be black."

Try again.

And when leftists and feminists yell at white men for being white and calling them evil, why can't we say, "I'm proud to be white?"

If someone accuses you of being evil for having low melanin levels in your skin, I give you the same permission to say that you are proud to be "white" as to those that say they are proud of being whatever they are, when they are being vilified for whatever it is they "are".

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Since no one here equates with with not ok

Ok then.

Code: a word or phrase chosen in place of another word or phrase in order to communicate an attitude or meaning without stating it explicitly. Iow, the asswipe is the one equating "white" with things that aren't ok, he just doesn't give a shit that they aren't ok and/or thinks they are just fine.

And you know all of this about him and are correct in your creative mind reading because he posted a sign saying "Its ok to be white". Got it.

 

[laughing dog]

Code: a word or phrase chosen in place of another word or phrase in order to communicate an attitude or meaning without stating it explicitly. Iow, the asswipe is the one equating "white" with things that aren't ok, he just doesn't give a shit that they aren't ok and/or thinks they are just fine.

And you know all of this about him and are correct in your creative mind reading because he posted a sign saying "Its ok to be white". Got it.

Given this student apparently wanted a girl friend who had not been with a black guy, it is a reasonable deduction. On the otherhand, you have absolutely no evidence to support your claim that this his "Its ok to be white" is some innocent statement.

 

[Jarhyn]

Code: a word or phrase chosen in place of another word or phrase in order to communicate an attitude or meaning without stating it explicitly. Iow, the asswipe is the one equating "white" with things that aren't ok, he just doesn't give a shit that they aren't ok and/or thinks they are just fine.

And you know all of this about him and are correct in your creative mind reading because he posted a sign saying "Its ok to be white". Got it.

Given this student apparently wanted a girl friend who had not been with a black guy, it is a reasonable deduction. On the otherhand, you have absolutely no evidence to support your claim that this his "Its ok to be white" is some innocent statement.

B-B-B-but he said something that taken in an absolute cultural vacuum could be construed as benign, how dare you look at CONTEXT to judge his statement!

 

[Half-Life]

...OR... it exposes the fact that the statement isn't as innocuous as it appears on the surface. Placed in the context of it's use by non-trolling white supremacists... it loses it's innocence.

Well, I guess I'll take that bet. I went ahead and dug up a lyric list for the song "It's ok to be white" by Agressive Force. You can find it here: https://genius.com/Aggressive-force-its-ok-to-be-white-lyrics

If you can find anything that indicates the song or for that matter any of the other songs on the album it was packaged with are satirical or not meant to be taken seriously... I'm happy to hear it. Here's a sample from the song:

"It's okay to be White
Loyalty within you
Have with your kin
It's okay to be White
Told about atrocities Six million Jews
Really it was the holohoax
Propaganda for the evening news"

I'm going to assume that for Half Life, Trausti, Harvestdancer, JP, etc, the general answer is always going to be Obviously it's just a sarcastic joke*.

*Unless you happen to be a white supremecist, in which case it's totally not.

I know that white supremacists use that symbol. However, some people use it as a joke just to get a response out of people.

The moral of the story is that if someone does the circle sign or says, "it's OK to be white!" and you say, "LOOK AT THAT RACIST!!!" you are proving their point. You can not possibly tell if the person is joking or serious unless they were wearing a swastika that was visible or something else like that.

 

[Jarhyn]

...OR... it exposes the fact that the statement isn't as innocuous as it appears on the surface. Placed in the context of it's use by non-trolling white supremacists... it loses it's innocence.

Well, I guess I'll take that bet. I went ahead and dug up a lyric list for the song "It's ok to be white" by Agressive Force. You can find it here: https://genius.com/Aggressive-force-its-ok-to-be-white-lyrics

If you can find anything that indicates the song or for that matter any of the other songs on the album it was packaged with are satirical or not meant to be taken seriously... I'm happy to hear it. Here's a sample from the song:

"It's okay to be White
Loyalty within you
Have with your kin
It's okay to be White
Told about atrocities Six million Jews
Really it was the holohoax
Propaganda for the evening news"

I'm going to assume that for Half Life, Trausti, Harvestdancer, JP, etc, the general answer is always going to be Obviously it's just a sarcastic joke*.

*Unless you happen to be a white supremecist, in which case it's totally not.

I know that white supremacists use that symbol. However, some people use it as a joke just to get a response out of people.

The moral of the story is that if someone does the circle sign or says, "it's OK to be white!" and you say, "LOOK AT THAT RACIST!!!" you are proving their point. You can not possibly tell if the person is joking or serious unless they were wearing a swastika that was visible or something else like that.

No. They're still fucking racist. The point they are making is still a racist one.

I think some widely enjoyed and acclaimed book even had some passage about idiots doing stupid shit and hiding behind 'joking'.

It's OK to treat someone as a racist when they do things that are intentionally ambiguously racist.

 

[Koyaanisqatsi]

Code: a word or phrase chosen in place of another word or phrase in order to communicate an attitude or meaning without stating it explicitly. Iow, the asswipe is the one equating "white" with things that aren't ok, he just doesn't give a shit that they aren't ok and/or thinks they are just fine.

And you know all of this about him

Yes for all of the reasons already given. Got it? Please, type "got it" so that I know you "got it," otherwise it would be utterly impossible to interpret what you mean when you post your magical ciphers.

 

[Half-Life]

I know that white supremacists use that symbol. However, some people use it as a joke just to get a response out of people.

The moral of the story is that if someone does the circle sign or says, "it's OK to be white!" and you say, "LOOK AT THAT RACIST!!!" you are proving their point. You can not possibly tell if the person is joking or serious unless they were wearing a swastika that was visible or something else like that.

No. They're still fucking racist. The point they are making is still a racist one.

I think some widely enjoyed and acclaimed book even had some passage about idiots doing stupid shit and hiding behind 'joking'.

It's OK to treat someone as a racist when they do things that are intentionally ambiguously racist.

It can be a joke. Did you know Sid Vicious of the band "Sex Pistols" in the 70's used to wear a shirt with a huge swastika on it just to get a reaction out of people?

 

[Jarhyn]

I know that white supremacists use that symbol. However, some people use it as a joke just to get a response out of people.

The moral of the story is that if someone does the circle sign or says, "it's OK to be white!" and you say, "LOOK AT THAT RACIST!!!" you are proving their point. You can not possibly tell if the person is joking or serious unless they were wearing a swastika that was visible or something else like that.

No. They're still fucking racist. The point they are making is still a racist one.

I think some widely enjoyed and acclaimed book even had some passage about idiots doing stupid shit and hiding behind 'joking'.

It's OK to treat someone as a racist when they do things that are intentionally ambiguously racist.

It can be a joke. Did you know Sid Vicious of the band "Sex Pistols" in the 70's used to wear a shirt with a huge swastika on it just to get a reaction out of people?

It can be a racist joke. Again, you leave out context in bad faith.

Jokes can still be fucking racist.

 

[another1]

Back in the day, you could get kicked out of school for publicly claiming it's OK to be black, Mexican, a pedophile, female, gay, Nazi or whatever. Even if you're just joking. And I doubt it would have been safe to wear a sign, unlike on this kid's comfy little campus. The blacks, women, pedophiles, gays, Mexicans, Nazis and whatnot didn't have the luxury of complaining while still on top of things. This guy should be kicked out for having such a weak protest. Not once was he in danger and he was still wealthy and white when he got home. Just seems like a bored kid and not the Jesus Christ we need as white males. Now he's gonna make all that money off people who lust for this stuff.

I'm a white male and things have never gone right for me. I can't open a Sprite without it exploding everywhere, even if it has sat still for an hour. The atrocities I suffer as a white male you just don't want to know. Everybody hates me. Sometimes I daydream about becoming gay, just to finally get some Goddamn respect. But why stop there? I could shake my pasty backfat on Youtube while wearing a drag costume and make a good fucking living at it, because deluded people would pay me for being so brave. I would appreciate the same tolerance and acceptance of me as a straight, white male. Doesn't seem very woke of them, the way they treat me.