George Zimmerman Arrested On Domestic Violence And Weapons Charge

[Nexus]

There was no arrest report because the school cops swept the details under the rug so he wouldn't be connected to the burglary and they would look like they were doing a better job.

Police look better when they arrest criminals not when they cover up for their crimes. Face it you have no evidence that Martin was a burglar. For someone that so quickly dismisses conspiracy theories, you have gone all in to continue your support of Zimmerman.

For any posters that are still keeping an open mind or have reasonable doubt about what happened that night, how many more violent incidences can Zimmerman have before you start to think that he was the instigator that night against Martin? This is a serious question. Or if Zimmerman went on a shooting spree would you still have doubts about what really happened that night and think maybe Zimmerman was a hapless victim that overcame the odds against Martin?

 

[Toni]

There was no arrest report because the school cops swept the details under the rug so he wouldn't be connected to the burglary and they would look like they were doing a better job.

Police look better when they arrest criminals not when they cover up for their crimes. Face it you have no evidence that Martin was a burglar. For someone that so quickly dismisses conspiracy theories, you have gone all in to continue your support of Zimmerman.

For any posters that are still keeping an open mind or have reasonable doubt about what happened that night, how many more violent incidences can Zimmerman have before you start to think that he was the instigator that night against Martin? This is a serious question. Or if Zimmerman went on a shooting spree would you still have doubts about what really happened that night and think maybe Zimmerman was a hapless victim that overcame the odds against Martin?

1. Martin was black, male, a teenager, and wearing a gray hoodie. At night. What further evidence is needed?

2. Clearly, the stress of the events of the night he was so grievously attacked by the kid he was stalking and since then have placed Zimmerman under extreme pressure. How else would we expect him to react? I mean, it's not like he was known as kind, gentle, even tempered, difficult to provoke person before the whole Martin shooting thing. We all know about the charges filed against him before he stalked Martin and was provoked into shooting him in the chest. I mean, we know he wasn't afraid to push women around and even police officers if the situation warranted it. Not like that is new information or wasn't always part of George just being George. Everybody just needs to be careful around George. We all know that.

 

[RavenSky]

won't someone think of the white wimmin Z saved from being raped that night?

Yeah, so he could beat them up instead

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Exposed as a burglar.

So, who did he burgle? Even Zimmerman's own statements implies that Martin was just walking down the street.

Who knows what would have happened? We basically know he committed at least one burglary and Zimmerman felt he was casing houses.

Could you link to a police report and court case. Oh I see others have asked for this as well.

Yeah, the standard approach--when I say the sky is blue you guys ask for evidence.

Most of you were around here when the issue came up originally, the evidence was widely discussed. You know where it came from.

Yes, the guy who posted it isn't the most upstanding character. That doesn't change the fact that his argument was basically a collection of official documents along with enough text to connect the dots.

It was rebutted and debunked, so you need to stop peddling it in some sort of perverted defense of the thug named Zimmerman.

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Exposed as a burglar.

So, who did he burgle? Even Zimmerman's own statements implies that Martin was just walking down the street.

Who knows what would have happened? We basically know he committed at least one burglary and Zimmerman felt he was casing houses.

Show the evidence that he burgled anything. Arctish has made a strong case that your whole burgle story is a lie.
All you have to do is link to a reliable news story with info on the police report.

She made an assertion, not a case.

At this point, if you'd like to introduce a credible justification for Zimmerman chasing down a neighbor against neighborhood watch rules and the advice of the dispatcher, please provide it.

Zimmerman is an idiot. He shouldn't have been doing what he was doing. However, he wasn't acting illegally--he was simply trying to follow a guy. You don't get to jump someone for following you.

No one "jumped" Zimmerman, so stop peddling that farce too

 

[RavenSky]

I have not seen a arrest record or police report with Trayvon Martin's name on it. You stated that police would expose him as a burglar. I assume the police would have some evidence before exposing him. I know he is black, but cops get calls on innocent black men walking down the street all the time.

So tell us, how would the police officer know Martin was a burglar?

And the sky is currently a grayish-brown. I've seen it be every color.

There was no arrest report because the school cops swept the details under the rug so he wouldn't be connected to the burglary and they would look like they were doing a better job.

In other words, you have zero evidence and you are peddling a white racist's sack of lies... as we all knew anyway. Thank you and now please stop repeating it every time Zimmerman acts like a violent thug again.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

I have not seen a arrest record or police report with Trayvon Martin's name on it. You stated that police would expose him as a burglar. I assume the police would have some evidence before exposing him. I know he is black, but cops get calls on innocent black men walking down the street all the time.

So tell us, how would the police officer know Martin was a burglar?

And the sky is currently a grayish-brown. I've seen it be every color.

There was no arrest report because the school cops swept the details under the rug so he wouldn't be connected to the burglary and they would look like they were doing a better job.

If there was no arrest report and they swept the details under the rug:
#1) How would the cop arriving on the scene now what Martin's "true identity" was?
#2) How would you know that the cops swept it under the rug?

 

[Nexus]

There was no arrest report because the school cops swept the details under the rug so he wouldn't be connected to the burglary and they would look like they were doing a better job.

If there was no arrest report and they swept the details under the rug:
#1) How would the cop arriving on the scene now what Martin's "true identity" was?
#2) How would you know that the cops swept it under the rug?

The departments in both Travon Martins school district and his fathers hometown could have been involved with the cover up to make Martin seem innocent because that helps the cops' careers somehow. The police showing up after Zimmermans call would have been able to identify Martin because they all know who he is and are covering up for him. But that leads to the perplexing situation as to why they would arrest or question Martin for casing homes in the neighborhood he's currently residing since we have already established a pattern of them letting Martin get away with burglary.

 

[Underseer]

Notice how some people are making excuses for patriot Zimmermann killing an unarmed teenager, but not for far less violence against a white woman?

I wonder why that is?

 

[none]

Notice how some people are making excuses for patriot Zimmermann killing an unarmed teenager, but not for far less violence against a white woman?

I wonder why that is?

I had written a big essay and then realized you said "white woman", what a waste of half an hour...

 

[Arctish]

You know, it gets tiring having to address the same unsupported claims over and over again. In fact, it can be downright aggravating, especially after considerable effort was made to address them in a thorough and reasonable manner on prior occasions. But I guess it has to be done, if for no other reason than the newcomers weren't here the last time we discussed them, and there may be lurkers seeking information. So for those folks who haven't seen all this before, I apologize for being grouchy yesterday. Here's a brief history of what we're talking about:

In March 2012, the Miami Herald ran an article that claimed school staff monitoring a security camera at Martin's high school saw him and 2 other students writing W.T.F. on a locker. The article said security staff then searched Martin's backpack looking for the graffiti marker. Allegedly, the staffer found a bag containing women's jewelry which Martin allegedly claimed belonged to a friend he allegedly refused to name. The article's author claimed to have a copy of the Miami-Dade Schools Police report on the incident. I can't link to the article because I can't find it on the Miami Herald's site, but here is a Sun-Sentinel article on the Miami Herald story.

After the story ran in the Miami Herald, several news organizations attempted to verify the claims. They all encountered the same problems.
1. No first hand witnesses. The article didn't identify any, and the author didn't claim to have spoken to any. Instead, the article claims the material came from a Miami-Dade School Police Report.
2. No access to Miami-Dade School Police Reports. Those reports are confidential, so there is no way to verify what one contains. In fact, there is no way to verify such a report even exists.

All attempts to verify the story at the school level led to dead ends. But interestingly, attempts to verify one of its claims led to information that refuted it. News outlets such as Boston.com reported that the school had sent a picture of "found jewelry" to the Miami-Dade Police Department, and asked if the jewelry was stolen. The MDPD searched its database and came up empty-handed. There were no reports of stolen jewelry that matched the items the school allegedly seized.

So that's how things stood for months. No verified report of jewelry in Martin's backpack, no first hand witnesses to the alleged incident, no stolen jewelry that matched the description of the items allegedly seized, nothing. It was all just rumor and gossip with no substance. And then all of a sudden the conservative blogosphere and discussion boards lit up with a variation of the Miami Herald article, and here's where the White Supremacist I mentioned comes into the story, with his claims that the reason no one can find evidence Martin was a burglar is because the police concealed it.

I will leave it up to Loren to provide a link, since he is the one flying that banner:

There was no arrest report because the school cops swept the details under the rug so he wouldn't be connected to the burglary and they would look like they were doing a better job.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

For some it is race based. Most at this web board it isn't. Some defend Zimmerman for different reasons.

We went through the same discussions when the thing happened at FRDB. Compare the number of negative posts about T's character with those about Z's.

Here we are rehashing old ground but nobody seems to be defending Z's character.

Z did not get acquitted because T was allegedly on top. He got acquitted because T was black.

Z was acquitted because there were really no witnesses to the events, other than himself.

 

[semiopen]

Z did not get acquitted because T was allegedly on top. He got acquitted because T was black.

Z was acquitted because there were really no witnesses to the events, other than himself.

I'm willing to accept the fact that there were technical factors influencing the decision.

My objection to the pro Z arguments we are seeing here is that they are racist.

I remember one guy in FRDB almost challenging me to a duel because I would dare imply he might have such a character.defect. Obviously not an Avenue Q fan... Everyones A Little Bit Racist

I'm truly touched by your impassioned defense of those who you apparently feel have been defamed, but I think the shoe fits.

Regarding the acquittal, I must respectfully disagree. Had the sexes, races, etc. of the actors been juggled a little bit, Z would certainly have been convicted of something.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Z was acquitted because there were really no witnesses to the events, other than himself.

I'm willing to accept the fact that there were technical factors influencing the decision.

My objection to the pro Z arguments we are seeing here is that they are racist.

I remember one guy in FRDB almost challenging me to a duel because I would dare imply he might have such a character.defect. Obviously not an Avenue Q fan... Everyones A Little Bit Racist

I'm truly touched by your impassioned defense of those who you apparently feel have been defamed, but I think the shoe fits.

I wouldn't say impassioned. When someone claims self-defense and there are no witnesses, it is a very hard case to demonstrate the shooter is lying. Regarding the character of posters here, I've been posting here for well over a decade and have a good feel where many posters stand on many such issues.

Regarding the acquittal, I must respectfully disagree. Had the sexes, races, etc. of the actors been juggled a little bit, Z would certainly have been convicted of something.

Had Martin been white, he never would have been shot. But I don't think is due to flat out racism, rather it is more based on prejudice (which I think does hold a certain difference between the two).

 

[coloradoatheist]

Z was acquitted because there were really no witnesses to the events, other than himself.

I'm willing to accept the fact that there were technical factors influencing the decision.

My objection to the pro Z arguments we are seeing here is that they are racist.

I remember one guy in FRDB almost challenging me to a duel because I would dare imply he might have such a character.defect. Obviously not an Avenue Q fan... Everyones A Little Bit Racist

I'm truly touched by your impassioned defense of those who you apparently feel have been defamed, but I think the shoe fits.

Regarding the acquittal, I must respectfully disagree. Had the sexes, races, etc. of the actors been juggled a little bit, Z would certainly have been convicted of something.

There will always be a lot of what ifs with this case. If it had been reversed would there have been so much political pressure to try for murder instead of a something much lesser? And there are so many nuances to this case where the exact circumstances are rare that it will happen again.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

There was no arrest report because the school cops swept the details under the rug so he wouldn't be connected to the burglary and they would look like they were doing a better job.

Police look better when they arrest criminals not when they cover up for their crimes. Face it you have no evidence that Martin was a burglar. For someone that so quickly dismisses conspiracy theories, you have gone all in to continue your support of Zimmerman.

For any posters that are still keeping an open mind or have reasonable doubt about what happened that night, how many more violent incidences can Zimmerman have before you start to think that he was the instigator that night against Martin? This is a serious question. Or if Zimmerman went on a shooting spree would you still have doubts about what really happened that night and think maybe Zimmerman was a hapless victim that overcame the odds against Martin?

Cops look better when the crime rate drops.

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It was rebutted and debunked, so you need to stop peddling it in some sort of perverted defense of the thug named Zimmerman.

Where's this debunking?

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There was no arrest report because the school cops swept the details under the rug so he wouldn't be connected to the burglary and they would look like they were doing a better job.

If there was no arrest report and they swept the details under the rug:
#1) How would the cop arriving on the scene now what Martin's "true identity" was?
#2) How would you know that the cops swept it under the rug?

1) The cops talking to him wouldn't do anything at first. However, when more burglary reports came in the cops would start looking at suspicious characters in the area.


2) Are you denying the documents that blogger posted?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You know, it gets tiring having to address the same unsupported claims over and over again. In fact, it can be downright aggravating, especially after considerable effort was made to address them in a thorough and reasonable manner on prior occasions. But I guess it has to be done, if for no other reason than the newcomers weren't here the last time we discussed them, and there may be lurkers seeking information. So for those folks who haven't seen all this before, I apologize for being grouchy yesterday. Here's a brief history of what we're talking about:

In March 2012, the Miami Herald ran an article that claimed school staff monitoring a security camera at Martin's high school saw him and 2 other students writing W.T.F. on a locker. The article said security staff then searched Martin's backpack looking for the graffiti marker. Allegedly, the staffer found a bag containing women's jewelry which Martin allegedly claimed belonged to a friend he allegedly refused to name. The article's author claimed to have a copy of the Miami-Dade Schools Police report on the incident. I can't link to the article because I can't find it on the Miami Herald's site, but here is a Sun-Sentinel article on the Miami Herald story.

After the story ran in the Miami Herald, several news organizations attempted to verify the claims. They all encountered the same problems.
1. No first hand witnesses. The article didn't identify any, and the author didn't claim to have spoken to any. Instead, the article claims the material came from a Miami-Dade School Police Report.
2. No access to Miami-Dade School Police Reports. Those reports are confidential, so there is no way to verify what one contains. In fact, there is no way to verify such a report even exists.

All attempts to verify the story at the school level led to dead ends. But interestingly, attempts to verify one of its claims led to information that refuted it. News outlets such as Boston.com reported that the school had sent a picture of "found jewelry" to the Miami-Dade Police Department, and asked if the jewelry was stolen. The MDPD searched its database and came up empty-handed. There were no reports of stolen jewelry that matched the items the school allegedly seized.

So that's how things stood for months. No verified report of jewelry in Martin's backpack, no first hand witnesses to the alleged incident, no stolen jewelry that matched the description of the items allegedly seized, nothing. It was all just rumor and gossip with no substance. And then all of a sudden the conservative blogosphere and discussion boards lit up with a variation of the Miami Herald article, and here's where the White Supremacist I mentioned comes into the story, with his claims that the reason no one can find evidence Martin was a burglar is because the police concealed it.

You're omitting the fact that the damning documents were posted.

And your argument basically consists of "we can't prove it now so it must be false"--except for the damning documents that were posted.

 

[Toni]

You know, it gets tiring having to address the same unsupported claims over and over again. In fact, it can be downright aggravating, especially after considerable effort was made to address them in a thorough and reasonable manner on prior occasions. But I guess it has to be done, if for no other reason than the newcomers weren't here the last time we discussed them, and there may be lurkers seeking information. So for those folks who haven't seen all this before, I apologize for being grouchy yesterday. Here's a brief history of what we're talking about:

In March 2012, the Miami Herald ran an article that claimed school staff monitoring a security camera at Martin's high school saw him and 2 other students writing W.T.F. on a locker. The article said security staff then searched Martin's backpack looking for the graffiti marker. Allegedly, the staffer found a bag containing women's jewelry which Martin allegedly claimed belonged to a friend he allegedly refused to name. The article's author claimed to have a copy of the Miami-Dade Schools Police report on the incident. I can't link to the article because I can't find it on the Miami Herald's site, but here is a Sun-Sentinel article on the Miami Herald story.

After the story ran in the Miami Herald, several news organizations attempted to verify the claims. They all encountered the same problems.
1. No first hand witnesses. The article didn't identify any, and the author didn't claim to have spoken to any. Instead, the article claims the material came from a Miami-Dade School Police Report.
2. No access to Miami-Dade School Police Reports. Those reports are confidential, so there is no way to verify what one contains. In fact, there is no way to verify such a report even exists.

All attempts to verify the story at the school level led to dead ends. But interestingly, attempts to verify one of its claims led to information that refuted it. News outlets such as Boston.com reported that the school had sent a picture of "found jewelry" to the Miami-Dade Police Department, and asked if the jewelry was stolen. The MDPD searched its database and came up empty-handed. There were no reports of stolen jewelry that matched the items the school allegedly seized.

So that's how things stood for months. No verified report of jewelry in Martin's backpack, no first hand witnesses to the alleged incident, no stolen jewelry that matched the description of the items allegedly seized, nothing. It was all just rumor and gossip with no substance. And then all of a sudden the conservative blogosphere and discussion boards lit up with a variation of the Miami Herald article, and here's where the White Supremacist I mentioned comes into the story, with his claims that the reason no one can find evidence Martin was a burglar is because the police concealed it.

You're omitting the fact that the damning documents were posted.

And your argument basically consists of "we can't prove it now so it must be false"--except for the damning documents that were posted.

Can you remind me or better yet, link to this bloggers damning evidence? I confess I cannot recall the blogger's credentials or content of the documents.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You know, it gets tiring having to address the same unsupported claims over and over again. In fact, it can be downright aggravating, especially after considerable effort was made to address them in a thorough and reasonable manner on prior occasions. But I guess it has to be done, if for no other reason than the newcomers weren't here the last time we discussed them, and there may be lurkers seeking information. So for those folks who haven't seen all this before, I apologize for being grouchy yesterday. Here's a brief history of what we're talking about:

In March 2012, the Miami Herald ran an article that claimed school staff monitoring a security camera at Martin's high school saw him and 2 other students writing W.T.F. on a locker. The article said security staff then searched Martin's backpack looking for the graffiti marker. Allegedly, the staffer found a bag containing women's jewelry which Martin allegedly claimed belonged to a friend he allegedly refused to name. The article's author claimed to have a copy of the Miami-Dade Schools Police report on the incident. I can't link to the article because I can't find it on the Miami Herald's site, but here is a Sun-Sentinel article on the Miami Herald story.

After the story ran in the Miami Herald, several news organizations attempted to verify the claims. They all encountered the same problems.
1. No first hand witnesses. The article didn't identify any, and the author didn't claim to have spoken to any. Instead, the article claims the material came from a Miami-Dade School Police Report.
2. No access to Miami-Dade School Police Reports. Those reports are confidential, so there is no way to verify what one contains. In fact, there is no way to verify such a report even exists.

All attempts to verify the story at the school level led to dead ends. But interestingly, attempts to verify one of its claims led to information that refuted it. News outlets such as Boston.com reported that the school had sent a picture of "found jewelry" to the Miami-Dade Police Department, and asked if the jewelry was stolen. The MDPD searched its database and came up empty-handed. There were no reports of stolen jewelry that matched the items the school allegedly seized.

So that's how things stood for months. No verified report of jewelry in Martin's backpack, no first hand witnesses to the alleged incident, no stolen jewelry that matched the description of the items allegedly seized, nothing. It was all just rumor and gossip with no substance. And then all of a sudden the conservative blogosphere and discussion boards lit up with a variation of the Miami Herald article, and here's where the White Supremacist I mentioned comes into the story, with his claims that the reason no one can find evidence Martin was a burglar is because the police concealed it.

You're omitting the fact that the damning documents were posted.

Damning as it pertains to actually "damning" documents would be the ones indicating that Martin had several thousands of dollars of jewelry on his dead body. The whole "damning" documents you are referring to deal with a possible past transgression.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

1) The cops talking to him wouldn't do anything at first. However, when more burglary reports came in the cops would start looking at suspicious characters in the area.

You are so out of your mind. You are saying that Martin is the burglar at that neighborhood based on zero actual forensic evidence.

The only possible reason you'd make such a claim would be to deflect attention from you. Where were you when those houses were being burglarized? No, forget that. It'd just be more lies. Cuff 'em boys.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Cops look better when the crime rate drops.

So you are saying that the Miami Police deliberately failed to report crimes they investigated? Or some undefined generalized "cops" not reporting crime statistics from a hunch that you have?

There was no arrest report because the school cops swept the details under the rug so he wouldn't be connected to the burglary and they would look like they were doing a better job.

If there was no arrest report and they swept the details under the rug:
#1) How would the cop arriving on the scene now what Martin's "true identity" was?
#2) How would you know that the cops swept it under the rug?

1) The cops talking to him wouldn't do anything at first. However, when more burglary reports came in the cops would start looking at suspicious characters in the area.

But how would the Sanford officer on the scene have known about the Miami police's supposed cover up of Martin's activities? Is there an underground police network that broadcasts data that is from suppressed "crime reports" in Florida?

Also, do you know how actual crimes are reported?

2) Are you denying the documents that blogger posted?

What documents are you referring to and how would these documents have helped Sanford police immediately identify a teen without a criminal or arrest record as a serial burglar? And how if they were keeping all this secret would YOU know?

 

[AthenaAwakened]

1) The cops talking to him wouldn't do anything at first. However, when more burglary reports came in the cops would start looking at suspicious characters in the area.

You are so out of your mind. You are saying that Martin is the burglar at that neighborhood based on zero actual forensic evidence.

The only possible reason you'd make such a claim would be to deflect attention from you. Where were you when those houses were being burglarized? No, forget that. It'd just be more lies. Cuff 'em boys.

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to Jimmy Higgins again.