George Zimmerman Arrested On Domestic Violence And Weapons Charge

[Playball40]

You pretty much equated two potential hypotheses.

- GZ could have attempted a detainment of TM before he got away, followed by the physical altercation and wounds on Zimmerman.
- It could also be that TM attempted to put a beat down on the "creepy cracker" for following him.

The light you put Zimmerman under is that he may have overstepped a bit, then tragedy... or on the other hand, Martin tried to beat down Zimmerman brutally (of which there is little evidence to suggest that). You are definitely swaying a bias in one direction.

The former implies GZ was indeed a stupid murderer. Does that help the appearance of bias? Zimmerman is guilty of something in either case. And there is most definitely a preponderance of evidence for a beat down. What I said is also not claiming one hypothesis is correct. Most folks on this forum believe the former hypothesis to be true.

If you're referring to Z's wounds, nonsense. I've had worse injuries from a skating fall.

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Nope there was not abundant evident. There were a couple of scratches on Zimmerman. He needed no medical treatment, no stitches, had no concussion. I've been beat up worse by my siblings.

Bullshit - there was more than that Rhea - http://abcnews.go.com/US/george-zim...heds-light-injuries-trayvon/story?id=16353532. Does the guy have to wait for unconsciousness to defend himself (if second scenario is true)? One hit in the right place on the back of the head can knock you out. You also knew your siblings and (I hope) doubted they would kill you.

and one bullet in the chest will kill you.

 

[Playball40]

I'm sure that the answer will be consistent with EPresence2's daughter, sister, or mother playing the part of Martin.

Except they don't look like the suspect involved in previous criminal activity in the neighborhood. Analogy fail.

The ones that were already apprehended? The ones you KNEW were already apprehended but pissed off you didn't get credit for? Those same ones?

 

[Rhea]

Exposed as a burglar.

So, who did he burgle? Even Zimmerman's own statements implies that Martin was just walking down the street.

Who knows what would have happened? We basically know he committed at least one burglary and Zimmerman felt he was casing houses.

Show the evidence that he burgled anything. Arctish has made a strong case that your whole burgle story is a lie.
All you have to do is link to a reliable news story with info on the police report.

But more to the point, why did you leave off more than half the story?
We don't "know" Martin burgled anything.
However we do KNOW that Zimmerman is a violent thug with a long police record and a live phone call proving he was armed and chasing Martin down for no supported reason.

At this point, if you'd like to introduce a credible justification for Zimmerman chasing down a neighbor against neighborhood watch rules and the advice of the dispatcher, please provide it.

 

[ksen]

won't someone think of the white wimmin Z saved from being raped that night?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Until someone matches up the reports with burglaries and starts investigating.

You're forgetting the school cops had already brushed one burglary by him under the rug to make their stats look better.

You're forgetting that bit of scurrilous gossip was disproven long ago. Did you forget the Miami Herald and other news outlets scoured school and police records looking for the alleged recovery of allegedly burgled items, or a school employee who would have known about this alleged recovery that was supposedly never officially reported? Did you forget the original source of the report was a blogger with a history of involvement in the White Supremacist Movement, and of making shit up in previous blog posts?

There are no school or police records of burgled items being recovered from Martin, his friends, or his school. There were no reported burglaries in the previous 12 months within a 10 mile radius of Martin's home and school with stolen items that match the description of the items the blogger said were found. There is no first hand witness to the events that were said to have happened by a racist douche in his known-to-be unreliable blog. But don't let that stop you from swilling from his font of racist spew if that's what you prefer. You can peddle your Revealed Truth as told by a White Supremacist Who Wasn't There if you want to, but don't try to present it as documented fact. Most of us have higher standards of evidence that that.

I have seen attacks on the character of the blogger but I haven't seen any rebuttal to what he was actually saying--and note that he was basically letting the documents do the talking. Are you saying he forged the documents?

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Source?

I'm not going to do Loren's work for him. He posted that allegation, and he can source his claims for you.

Once Loren has done that, I will show you how the story has been echoing around the rightwing blog sphere and that it was started by one single blogger with White Supremacist ties who is in essence saying he can't show us any evidence- no witness statements, no records, no match to any known burglary, nothing - but we should nevertheless accept what he says is true because everybody knows black teenagers are all criminals.

In other words, you have nothing.

You already know where the information that he was a burglar came from.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Exposed as a burglar.

So, who did he burgle? Even Zimmerman's own statements implies that Martin was just walking down the street.

Who knows what would have happened? We basically know he committed at least one burglary and Zimmerman felt he was casing houses.

Could you link to a police report and court case. Oh I see others have asked for this as well.

Yeah, the standard approach--when I say the sky is blue you guys ask for evidence.

Most of you were around here when the issue came up originally, the evidence was widely discussed. You know where it came from.

Yes, the guy who posted it isn't the most upstanding character. That doesn't change the fact that his argument was basically a collection of official documents along with enough text to connect the dots.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Exposed as a burglar.

So, who did he burgle? Even Zimmerman's own statements implies that Martin was just walking down the street.

Who knows what would have happened? We basically know he committed at least one burglary and Zimmerman felt he was casing houses.

Show the evidence that he burgled anything. Arctish has made a strong case that your whole burgle story is a lie.
All you have to do is link to a reliable news story with info on the police report.

She made an assertion, not a case.

At this point, if you'd like to introduce a credible justification for Zimmerman chasing down a neighbor against neighborhood watch rules and the advice of the dispatcher, please provide it.

Zimmerman is an idiot. He shouldn't have been doing what he was doing. However, he wasn't acting illegally--he was simply trying to follow a guy. You don't get to jump someone for following you.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Exposed as a burglar.

So, who did he burgle? Even Zimmerman's own statements implies that Martin was just walking down the street.

Who knows what would have happened? We basically know he committed at least one burglary and Zimmerman felt he was casing houses.

Could you link to a police report and court case. Oh I see others have asked for this as well.

Yeah, the standard approach--when I say the sky is blue you guys ask for evidence.

You aren't saying the "sky is blue". You are saying Martin was trying to or did burglarize homes in the neighborhood, which is quite possibly one of the most unsubstantiated claims made against Martin.

Most of you were around here when the issue came up originally, the evidence was widely discussed. You know where it came from.

Which is why, in general, aren't buying it.

Yes, the guy who posted it isn't the most upstanding character. That doesn't change the fact that his argument was basically a collection of official documents along with enough text to connect the dots.

And then you make the wildest of leaps to presume that Martin tried to kill Zimmerman because Zimmerman had discovered Martin and the Police would find out Martin burglarized the neighborhood. That isn't saying "the sky is blue", it is saying "the sky is elephant today".

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Exposed as a burglar.

So, who did he burgle? Even Zimmerman's own statements implies that Martin was just walking down the street.

Who knows what would have happened? We basically know he committed at least one burglary and Zimmerman felt he was casing houses.

Show the evidence that he burgled anything. Arctish has made a strong case that your whole burgle story is a lie.
All you have to do is link to a reliable news story with info on the police report.

She made an assertion, not a case.

Says the King of Assertions and Anecdotal Evidence.

At this point, if you'd like to introduce a credible justification for Zimmerman chasing down a neighbor against neighborhood watch rules and the advice of the dispatcher, please provide it.

Zimmerman is an idiot. He shouldn't have been doing what he was doing. However, he wasn't acting illegally--he was simply trying to follow a guy. You don't get to jump someone for following you.

Did Martin jump Zimmerman? Oh wait... the only guy that survived that encounter claimed he was ambushed. No evidence of that, but why would a sociopath lie?

 

[Rhea]

Zimmerman is an idiot. He shouldn't have been doing what he was doing. However, he wasn't acting illegally--he was simply trying to follow a guy. You don't get to jump someone for following you.

Newsflash, Martin wasn't acting illegally either. You have no evidence that he "jumped" Zimmerman, and plenty of evidence that it was the other way around. "What's your problem?" and a dropped phone. You don't get to jump someone for walking down a sidewalk. Once Zimmerman confronted him in whatever way caused Martin to actually drop his phone to defend himself, then yeah, Martin gets to defend himself.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Exposed as a burglar.

So, who did he burgle? Even Zimmerman's own statements implies that Martin was just walking down the street.

Who knows what would have happened? We basically know he committed at least one burglary and Zimmerman felt he was casing houses.

Could you link to a police report and court case. Oh I see others have asked for this as well.

Yeah, the standard approach--when I say the sky is blue you guys ask for evidence.

Most of you were around here when the issue came up originally, the evidence was widely discussed. You know where it came from.

Yes, the guy who posted it isn't the most upstanding character. That doesn't change the fact that his argument was basically a collection of official documents along with enough text to connect the dots.

I have not seen a arrest record or police report with Trayvon Martin's name on it. You stated that police would expose him as a burglar. I assume the police would have some evidence before exposing him. I know he is black, but cops get calls on innocent black men walking down the street all the time.

So tell us, how would the police officer know Martin was a burglar?

And the sky is currently a grayish-brown. I've seen it be every color.

 

[Mumbles]

won't someone think of the white wimmin Z saved from being raped that night?

The correct quote is "wimmins". Let's get that right

Exposed as a burglar.

So, who did he burgle? Even Zimmerman's own statements implies that Martin was just walking down the street.

Who knows what would have happened? We basically know he committed at least one burglary and Zimmerman felt he was casing houses.

Could you link to a police report and court case. Oh I see others have asked for this as well.

Yeah, the standard approach--when I say the sky is blue you guys ask for evidence.

Most of you were around here when the issue came up originally, the evidence was widely discussed. You know where it came from.

Yes, the guy who posted it isn't the most upstanding character. That doesn't change the fact that his argument was basically a collection of official documents along with enough text to connect the dots.

Again, what was he burgling? According to Zimmerman himself, Martin simply walked past him. Most people would not see a black kid walking along the path that you had deliberately placed yourself on as a threat. If you want to be a Stan for Zimmerman, then it's on you to explain how walking past Zimmerman automatically makes Martin "angry" or "hostile" - as opposed to the guy who got out of his car to give chase to the kid who, by all accounts, was just walking home.

 

[Underseer]

Exposed as a burglar.

So, who did he burgle? Even Zimmerman's own statements implies that Martin was just walking down the street.

Who knows what would have happened? We basically know he committed at least one burglary and Zimmerman felt he was casing houses.

Could you link to a police report and court case. Oh I see others have asked for this as well.

Yeah, the standard approach--when I say the sky is blue you guys ask for evidence.

Most of you were around here when the issue came up originally, the evidence was widely discussed. You know where it came from.

Yes, the guy who posted it isn't the most upstanding character. That doesn't change the fact that his argument was basically a collection of official documents along with enough text to connect the dots.

I have not seen a arrest record or police report with Trayvon Martin's name on it. You stated that police would expose him as a burglar. I assume the police would have some evidence before exposing him. I know he is black, but cops get calls on innocent black men walking down the street all the time.

So tell us, how would the police officer know Martin was a burglar?

And the sky is currently a grayish-brown. I've seen it be every color.

Never mind that.

Even if he were a burglar, that still does not excuse someone hunting him down and killing him.

 

[Malintent]

The most interesting thing about these "Zimmerman dun fucked up again" threads is how his defenders grow quieter and quieter each time.

Yes.. that is, if by "interesting" you mean "rational".

One defends the position, not the man. He might be wrong in one incident, but less wrong in another.

I suppose if 'his defenders' were chiming in here saying that he was framed or whatever, your comment might be equally negative. Can't win with you, huh?

 

[ksen]

The correct quote is "wimmins". Let's get that right

whoops! my mistake!

Again, what was he burgling?

he was getting ready to burgle dat ass

 

[semiopen]

Z is close to a psychopath who had his psycho friends and family testify for him.

The truth was that even then he was known to be much more dangerous than T could ever have been.

Suggesting that T was the villain was racist then and its racist now.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Z is close to a psychopath who had his psycho friends and family testify for him.

The truth was that even then he was known to be much more dangerous than T could ever have been.

Suggesting that T was the villain was racist then and its racist now.

For some it is race based. Most at this web board it isn't. Some defend Zimmerman for different reasons.

 

[semiopen]

Z is close to a psychopath who had his psycho friends and family testify for him.

The truth was that even then he was known to be much more dangerous than T could ever have been.

Suggesting that T was the villain was racist then and its racist now.

For some it is race based. Most at this web board it isn't. Some defend Zimmerman for different reasons.

We went through the same discussions when the thing happened at FRDB. Compare the number of negative posts about T's character with those about Z's.

Here we are rehashing old ground but nobody seems to be defending Z's character.

Z did not get acquitted because T was allegedly on top. He got acquitted because T was black.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I have not seen a arrest record or police report with Trayvon Martin's name on it. You stated that police would expose him as a burglar. I assume the police would have some evidence before exposing him. I know he is black, but cops get calls on innocent black men walking down the street all the time.

So tell us, how would the police officer know Martin was a burglar?

And the sky is currently a grayish-brown. I've seen it be every color.

There was no arrest report because the school cops swept the details under the rug so he wouldn't be connected to the burglary and they would look like they were doing a better job.

 

[semiopen]

I'm pretty sure Loren became a Z slut because Z sounds like a Jewish name. Perhaps Dershbag had a similar reason.

In this case, the black fellow was allegedly evil and of course psychotic Z had no choice but to terminate him.