Split New York City Mayoral Race

[pood]

What will likely happen in NYC is Mamadani will push through a few progressive things but not much else will change.

It will still be far better than having a molester of women, a crook, or a charlatan in a red beret in charge.

 

[Derec]

What is "communism"?

Social ownership of the means of production is the economic basis of both phases of communism.
[...]
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!" (Marx, Critique of the Gotha Programme", in Marx and Engels, Selected Works, 1950, English edition, Vol. II, p. 23.)

As you can see, Comrade Cardamom certainly talks the commie talk.

Umm, no, actually. I don't see any evidence of that at all.

He expressed both of the bolded ideas. The first one in this speech at a DSA conference, the second one in the tweet I posted just a few posts upthread.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Democrats turning to their own extremists like Товарищ Зохран is not a healthy way to fight against Trumpism.

 

[Derec]

What will likely happen in NYC is Mamadani will push through a few progressive things but not much else will change.

But the fauxgressive things he now has the power to do - like the rent freeze, will nevertheless cause economic harm to NYC.
I hope he will not be successful in bullying or manipulating Hochul into giving into his other ideas.

It will still be far better than having a molester of women, a crook, or a charlatan in a red beret in charge.

Cuomo would almost certainly be less bad than Komrade Kwame.
After all, Clinton was a pretty good president for all his personal foibles.

 

[TV and credit cards]

One thing's for sure, Fox News will be checking to see how he ties his shoes.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Why will it be worse? He lacks the authority to do 3/4's of what he wants to do. The biggest threat to re-election is not being able to enact much in the way of change. He'll need to figure out ways to synthesize progressive changes with business buy-in to have any shot.

I think he will try to use his success tonight to pressure Hochul into helping him with his policy proposals. He will probably threaten her with a fauxgressive primary challenger if she doesn't play ball.

But things like rent freeze he can do without Albany and even without the city council.

BdB was a horrible mayor, but he did not say 1/10 of the crazy shit this guy is saying.

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Reminds me of when Kramer got seduced by communism.

BdB also wasn't a rabid Israel-hater.

Goodness you are paranoid.

It isn't like he got 80% of the vote. And Hochul isn't getting pushed into turning NYC into 1960s Cuba.

 

[Jarhyn]

Why will it be worse? He lacks the authority to do 3/4's of what he wants to do. The biggest threat to re-election is not being able to enact much in the way of change. He'll need to figure out ways to synthesize progressive changes with business buy-in to have any shot.

I think he will try to use his success tonight to pressure Hochul into helping him with his policy proposals. He will probably threaten her with a fauxgressive primary challenger if she doesn't play ball.

But things like rent freeze he can do without Albany and even without the city council.

BdB was a horrible mayor, but he did not say 1/10 of the crazy shit this guy is saying.

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Reminds me of when Kramer got seduced by communism.

BdB also wasn't a rabid Israel-hater.

Goodness you are paranoid.

It isn't like he got 80% of the vote. And Hochul isn't getting pushed into turning NYC into 1960s Cuba.

So, that's not the point of all this.

You know, I expect that the Nazis out in the world clamoring for a king and crying about Mamdani know this.

The problem is that they want a king and admitting it won't help them.

Instead, they will spend the next 2-8 years or however long Mamdani lives as mayor of NYC to magnify every minor negative claim and completely ignored every positive outcome of his election.

They will pretend that, whatever of NYC problems get worse, that these are the only problems and that this price was paid for nothing.

They will do this both dishonestly and persistently for years, talking about NYC homeless people, failing businesses, and so on.

They will find the minority of losers, and hold them above the vast majority of winners to make people feel as if they are losing.

They will post threads to online fora that have titles roundly blasting him, and then derail and post to these discussions themselves for the sake of keeping them alive, often with significantly flawed arguments that beg response... Not because they care about the response but to keep their false title pinned at the top of the forums, allowing the bold text to slowly do its work as people have the false idea shoved in their faces day in and day out.

And worse, they will seek every opportunity to sabotage and prevent any agenda from coming to fore or being successful. If Mamdani were to recommend masks to prevent disease, Republicans would do things that got them diseases and walk around coughing without a mask complaining that masks are oppressive (we actually saw this happen during covid), and then the nattering Nazi fools would be in here talking about how idiotic masks are (despite the fact that they fucking work).

Will the forums do something about this dishonest asymmetric nattering of Nazis clamoring for a king?

 

[laughing dog]

What is "communism"?

As has been confirmed by the entire history of mankind, society develops from lower to higher stages. Communist society, which is the final aim of the struggle for emancipation of the working people in all lands, is the highest and most progressive stage of social development.

Communist society passes through two phases of development: the lower phase known as Socialism, and the higher phase known as Communism. In the first stage, communist society cannot as yet be free from the traditions and traces of capitalism, from whose womb it has emerged. Only the further development of socialism on the basis which it has itself created can lead to the second and higher phase of communist society. Consequently socialism and communism are two stages of maturity of the new communist form of society.

Social ownership of the means of production is the economic basis of both phases of communism. The predominance of social ownership determines the planned development of the national economy. Characteristic of both phases of communist society is the absence of exploiting classes and of the exploitation of man by man, of national and racial oppression. The purpose of production, both in socialist and in communist society, is the maximum satisfaction of the constantly increasing material and cultural requirements of the whole of society. The means of its achievement is the continuous growth and improvement of production on the basis of the highest techniques.

[...]

In a higher phase of communist society," wrote Marx, "after the enslaving subordination of individuals under division of labour, and therewith also the antithesis between mental and physical labour, has vanished; after labour, from a mere means of life, has itself become the prime necessity of life; after the productive forces have also increased with the all-round development of the individual, and all the springs of co-operative wealth flow more abundantly-only then can the narrow horizon of bourgeois right be fully left behind and society inscribe on its banners: From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!" (Marx, Critique of the Gotha Programme", in Marx and Engels, Selected Works, 1950, English edition, Vol. II, p. 23.)

[emphasis mine]
From here.
As you can see, Comrade Cardamom certainly talks the commie talk.

You certainly talk MAGA talk, but you insist that you are not a Trump supporter. So as you can see, your standard is rather faulty.

 

[Elixir]

Back on topic. Mamdani is leading Cuomo by 8% with over 60% of the vote counted. So far, so good, but it ain't over till it's over.

A disaster for New York City. This guy will be even worse than Bill deBlowjob.

it’s going to be interesting to watch how this plays out. But what a sad state of affairs that allows a communist such as Mamdani gets elected.

“Dam kommy gonna take all my spensive stuff!”
Poor baby. Maybe betting on being in some exalted class of rich people wasn’t such a great idea.

 

[pood]

Mamdani comes out swinging.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Fuck Republicans.

 

[TSwizzle]

Ooft, him and his wife are out and out islamists. How on earth a never had a job commie/marxist posh boy got elected is strange but then again, his main opponent was a dirt bag. If Mamdani had been a white Christian there would have been much wailing on here about his faith and white privilege but I guess Mamdani gets a pass because of his dusky complexion and he’s a muslim.

 

[Elixir]

Ooft, him and his wife are out and out islamists.

So what.
I don’t care what imaginary being(s) people want to say they worship. Why do you?
Is the Christian-in-Chief you voted for any better for his choice of malevolent supernatural entities?
Or are you just whining about being part of a general population rather than some well insulated idle class?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Ooft, him and his wife are out and out islamists. How on earth a never had a job commie/marxist posh boy got elected is strange but then again, his main opponent was a dirt bag. If Mamdani had been a white Christian there would have been much wailing on here about his faith and white privilege but I guess Mamdani gets a pass because of his dusky complexion and he’s a muslim.

Mamdani won because he spoke to the real world struggles many New Yorkers have, and he promised he'd fix almost all of their problems. He obviously can't do that, but he spoke the average New Yorker that is struggling and has felt they've been ignored for the last few decades. And he got enough votes. The general political scene in NYC has been problematic as there hasn't been a popular mayor since Bloomberg. So the timing worked.

However, Mamdani and NYC are on leashes. There isn't going to be widespread changes. And with the global financial hub located inside its boundaries, the city isn't turning into 1960s Cuba.

As far as being "islamists", you think they are going to turn NYC into a caliphate or something? Man, the right wing just doesn't get NYC or New Yorkers at all. Mamdani tried that, he'd be out of City Hall in a recall election faster than you can say Gray's Papaya. New Yorkers don't take well to being told to do what they don't want to do.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What is "communism"?

Social ownership of the means of production is the economic basis of both phases of communism.
[...]
From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs!" (Marx, Critique of the Gotha Programme", in Marx and Engels, Selected Works, 1950, English edition, Vol. II, p. 23.)

As you can see, Comrade Cardamom certainly talks the commie talk.

Umm, no, actually. I don't see any evidence of that at all.

He expressed both of the bolded ideas. The first one in this speech at a DSA conference, the second one in the tweet I posted just a few posts upthread.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.

Democrats turning to their own extremists like Товарищ Зохран is not a healthy way to fight against Trumpism.

This has little to do with Trump. Inner City has felt ignored. NYC has proliferated quite a bit in the last 30 years, but a lot of NY'ers haven't seen the benefits. Inner City is plagued with lack of investment, lack of infrastructure (banks, grocery stores, etc...). Mamdani spoke to this, and with the last two Mayors being absolute dogs and the main competition being of the same pedigree, that created the conditions to allow his victory.

I think it is almost funny, if it wasn't so deluded, that you'd think the city with financial hub of the world would just do nothing if Mamdani tried to do some crazy communist stuff. I mean seriously, you think the Mayor of NYC is a King?

 

[southernhybrid]

Ooft, him and his wife are out and out islamists. How on earth a never had a job commie/marxist posh boy got elected is strange but then again, his main opponent was a dirt bag. If Mamdani had been a white Christian there would have been much wailing on here about his faith and white privilege but I guess Mamdani gets a pass because of his dusky complexion and he’s a muslim.

Mamdani is a very liberal Muslim who has clearly stated that religion should not influence government. Biden was a Catholic and Obama was a liberal Christian but I had no problem voting for either of them as they both obviously respects the SCS. Trump, on the other hand, besides only worshiping himself is allowing the White Christian Nationalists to have great influence over the country. That is what alarms me, not what any politicians personal beliefs might be, even if I think it's all mythology. As long as it's not being used to end the SCS, I don't care.

Shit, I even voted for Warnock, despite not being happy about him being a preacher and not giving up that role. I know he supports the SCS so I can accept him as one of my Senators.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Ooft, him and his wife are out and out islamists. How on earth a never had a job commie/marxist posh boy got elected is strange but then again, his main opponent was a dirt bag. If Mamdani had been a white Christian there would have been much wailing on here about his faith and white privilege but I guess Mamdani gets a pass because of his dusky complexion and he’s a muslim.

Mamdani is a very liberal Muslim who has clearly stated that religion should not influence government. Biden was a Catholic and Obama was a liberal Christian but I had no problem voting for either of them as they both obviously respects the SCS. Trump, on the other hand, besides only worshiping himself is allowing the White Christian Nationalists to have great influence over the country. That is what alarms me, not what any politicians personal beliefs might be, even if I think it's all mythology. As long as it's not being used to end the SCS, I don't care.

Shit, I even voted for Warnock, despite not being happy about him being a preacher and not giving up that role. I know he supports the SCS so I can accept him as one of my Senators.

TSwizzle is merely trying to justify his bigotry with assuming 'the other side' is also bigoted.

 

[TSwizzle]

Ooft, him and his wife are out and out islamists. How on earth a never had a job commie/marxist posh boy got elected is strange but then again, his main opponent was a dirt bag. If Mamdani had been a white Christian there would have been much wailing on here about his faith and white privilege but I guess Mamdani gets a pass because of his dusky complexion and he’s a muslim.

Mamdani won because he spoke to the real world struggles many New Yorkers have, and he promised he'd fix almost all of their problems.
He obviously can't do that, but he spoke the average New Yorker that is struggling and has felt they've been ignored for the last few decades. And he got enough votes. The general political scene in NYC has been problematic as there hasn't been a popular mayor since Bloomberg. So the timing worked.

All well and good but why people are so enthralled and gushing about a privileged posh boy that never had a job is spouting college campus talking points? Undoubtably he's going to try to climb the ladder onto bigger things which is where he will become even more destructive.

As far as being "islamists", you think they are going to turn NYC into a caliphate or something?

No he's not going to turn NYC into a caliphate, I didn't suggest that.

Man, the right wing just doesn't get NYC or New Yorkers at all. Mamdani tried that, he'd be out of City Hall in a recall election faster than you can say Gray's Papaya. New Yorkers don't take well to being told to do what they don't want to do.

I think that is an urban myth.

 

[Elixir]

No he's not going to turn NYC into a caliphate, I didn't suggest that.

Then why did you bring up Mamdani's religion as if it was some kind of disqualifier?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Ooft, him and his wife are out and out islamists. How on earth a never had a job commie/marxist posh boy got elected is strange but then again, his main opponent was a dirt bag. If Mamdani had been a white Christian there would have been much wailing on here about his faith and white privilege but I guess Mamdani gets a pass because of his dusky complexion and he’s a muslim.

Mamdani won because he spoke to the real world struggles many New Yorkers have, and he promised he'd fix almost all of their problems.
He obviously can't do that, but he spoke the average New Yorker that is struggling and has felt they've been ignored for the last few decades. And he got enough votes. The general political scene in NYC has been problematic as there hasn't been a popular mayor since Bloomberg. So the timing worked.

All well and good but why people are so enthralled and gushing about a privileged posh boy that never had a job is spouting college campus talking points? Undoubtably he's going to try to climb the ladder onto bigger things which is where he will become even more destructive.

Yes, NYC Mayors are quite known for seeking bigger things after holding the Mayoral office. I mean, I can't actual recall a single one, but I'm certain you might find someone from the 19th century who went on to bigger things after being Mayor.

Could have something to do with the uniqueness of the NYC electorate verses the entire state (or country).

As far as being "islamists", you think they are going to turn NYC into a caliphate or something?

No he's not going to turn NYC into a caliphate, I didn't suggest that.

Yes, you did "suggest" that of sorts. You didn't "say" that, but you brought it up, quite out of the blue. The term "islamist" is quite loaded.

Man, the right wing just doesn't get NYC or New Yorkers at all. Mamdani tried that, he'd be out of City Hall in a recall election faster than you can say Gray's Papaya. New Yorkers don't take well to being told to do what they don't want to do.

I think that is an urban myth.

Someone from out of the country on the west coast talking about how they think NY'ers are. Adorable.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

No he's not going to turn NYC into a caliphate, I didn't suggest that.

Then why did you bring up Mamdani's religion as if it was some kind of disqualifier?

He didn't bring up Mamdani's religion, he called him and his wife "islamists" which is much more loaded than saying they are Muslims.

Granted, we had this bigotry regarding Catholics not 100 years ago in this country, so I suppose it shouldn't be unexpected. At least he didn't complain about Mamdani eating the pets.