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Um...many members of antifa are perfectly fine with "individualism" (in fact, many are outright anarchists), "free speech" within obvious limits (no incitement, defamation, etc) "Free Markets" and "elections". And every self-described antifa person I know only support violence as a defensive act. Even in Charolettesville, the *only* reason they were there armed is because they had seen the very public discussions Nazi sites describing how the various white supremacists and nationalists intended to attack local residents and counterprotestors - which is exactly what they did in cases like Heather Heyer and DeAndre Harris, and an interfaith service the night prior to their Saturday rally during their tiki torch march, among many others. Had groups like the ACLU, the city council, and the police taken these public declarations of intent seriously, they could have simply denied the violent bigots a permit, that mess might never have happened.

And this has also held true for public "speakers" like Richard Spencer or that Milo guy, both of whom refused to discourage their own violent followers resulting in multiple shootings, and in Milo's case targeted specific students that had no involvement with him for bigoted harassment. Neither one of these two individuals should be permitted to speak on college campuses for this exact reason - and I'd argue that Milo is a white nationalist who should be barred from entering the US at all (along with Gavin McGinnis, who founded a violent street gang known as the "Proud Boys").
 
Um...many members of antifa are perfectly fine with "individualism" (in fact, many are outright anarchists), "free speech" within obvious limits (no incitement, defamation, etc) "Free Markets" and "elections". And every self-described antifa person I know only support violence as a defensive act. Even in Charolettesville, the *only* reason they were there armed is because they had seen the very public discussions Nazi sites describing how the various white supremacists and nationalists intended to attack local residents and counterprotestors - which is exactly what they did in cases like Heather Heyer and DeAndre Harris, and an interfaith service the night prior to their Saturday rally during their tiki torch march, among many others. Had groups like the ACLU, the city council, and the police taken these public declarations of intent seriously, they could have simply denied the violent bigots a permit, that mess might never have happened.

And this has also held true for public "speakers" like Richard Spencer or that Milo guy, both of whom refused to discourage their own violent followers resulting in multiple shootings, and in Milo's case targeted specific students that had no involvement with him for bigoted harassment. Neither one of these two individuals should be permitted to speak on college campuses for this exact reason - and I'd argue that Milo is a white nationalist who should be barred from entering the US at all (along with Gavin McGinnis, who founded a violent street gang known as the "Proud Boys").

So, what do you make of all the people here who rush out to defend nazi-punching? Not *real* ANTIFA supporters?
 
Um...many members of antifa are perfectly fine with "individualism" (in fact, many are outright anarchists), "free speech" within obvious limits (no incitement, defamation, etc) "Free Markets" and "elections". And every self-described antifa person I know only support violence as a defensive act. Even in Charolettesville, the *only* reason they were there armed is because they had seen the very public discussions Nazi sites describing how the various white supremacists and nationalists intended to attack local residents and counterprotestors - which is exactly what they did in cases like Heather Heyer and DeAndre Harris, and an interfaith service the night prior to their Saturday rally during their tiki torch march, among many others. Had groups like the ACLU, the city council, and the police taken these public declarations of intent seriously, they could have simply denied the violent bigots a permit, that mess might never have happened.

And this has also held true for public "speakers" like Richard Spencer or that Milo guy, both of whom refused to discourage their own violent followers resulting in multiple shootings, and in Milo's case targeted specific students that had no involvement with him for bigoted harassment. Neither one of these two individuals should be permitted to speak on college campuses for this exact reason - and I'd argue that Milo is a white nationalist who should be barred from entering the US at all (along with Gavin McGinnis, who founded a violent street gang known as the "Proud Boys").

So, what do you make of all the people here who rush out to defend nazi-punching? Not *real* ANTIFA supporters?
Which part of "ok to punch nazis because that's by definition self defense" are you having a hard time understanding?
 
Which part of "ok to punch nazis because that's by definition self defense" are you having a hard time understanding?

The part where anyone could possibly be stupid enough to believe that.

Good luck trying that one before a judge. They might add on time for criminal stupidity.
 
Just so we're clear...

Conservatives: totally okay with murdering innocent bystanders at a Muslim wedding. Or Trayvon Martin.

Not okay with punching a Nazi.
 
Those who insist that Antifa is only interested in opposing Nazis, there is an event that requires explanation.

Carl Benjamin, also known as Sargon of Akkad, is running to be an MEP for the UKIP party. Neither UKIP nor Carl are Nazis. Not even that close really. Antifa is planning on showing up to protest Carl and UKIP.
 
Ridiculous, Sargon doing that. He was a twitter shitposter and with that comes very strong limitations for political life, unless you are that extremely rare beast of Donald Trump. On the left there also probably shitposters that can't run for office.

Not taking into account his lack of ability (this is not a slight, almost no one can) to singlehandedly bend the narrative of a hostile press, this was a retarded move.

Anyway, this gives him notoriety. If I was cynical, I would think that he was willing to torch UKIP to further his monetary position.
 
Those who insist that Antifa is only interested in opposing Nazis, there is an event that requires explanation.

Carl Benjamin, also known as Sargon of Akkad, is running to be an MEP for the UKIP party. Neither UKIP nor Carl are Nazis. Not even that close really. Antifa is planning on showing up to protest Carl and UKIP.

The idea that UKIP are not Nazis is highly questionable.

The idea that they are 'not even that close' to being Nazis is fucking hilarious.

Either you haven't got a clue what you are talking about, or you just hope that your audience doesn't have a clue what you are talking about, and will take your word at face value.
 
Those who insist that Antifa is only interested in opposing Nazis, there is an event that requires explanation.

Carl Benjamin, also known as Sargon of Akkad, is running to be an MEP for the UKIP party. Neither UKIP nor Carl are Nazis. Not even that close really. Antifa is planning on showing up to protest Carl and UKIP.

And? They've protested that loudmouthed idiot before, as he has, among many other things, stated clearly that he'd prefer Nazis to "social justice warriors" running government. In truth, he's nothing more than a man of low intellect who rants at Breitbart articles on Youtube, and his most famous acts so far were getting repeatedly stomped debating Kristie Winters, getting banned from Twitter for sending unsolicited porn photos of men, and sending a hate mob to harass an MP.

I barely know anything about British politics, but even I've watched with amusement as he gleefully drove UKIP into a concrete wall. Even Nigel Farage seems to have abandoned the party entirely.

Picture a "free speech advocate" who petitioned "Universities" (all of them) to "suspend social justice courses" (what are those even?)
 
Those who insist that Antifa is only interested in opposing Nazis, there is an event that requires explanation.

Carl Benjamin, also known as Sargon of Akkad, is running to be an MEP for the UKIP party. Neither UKIP nor Carl are Nazis. Not even that close really. Antifa is planning on showing up to protest Carl and UKIP.

And?

This.

Well, that was quite a strawman there. How long did it take for the GOP to move against Steve King again? And that's not to mention the fact that their party's leader is an obvious white supremacist and proto-fascist...

Truth is, "Antifa" mostly only shows up to counterprotests to drown them out, and other than that they mostly work online, driving fascist groups off of common servers, smoking out people who attend Nazi rallies and reporting them to their communities and employers, and so forth. For that matter "Antifa" is not an actual group, instead being simply whoever works against white supremacists, Nazi wannabes, and the like, who accepts the name.

They're not going there to counter-protest a fascist, they're going there to protest someone who doesn't accept the ideology you claim

They've protested that loudmouthed idiot before, as he has, among many other things, stated clearly that he'd prefer Nazis to "social justice warriors" running government.

Alex, I'll take "things that never happened" for $1000.
 
Those who insist that Antifa is only interested in opposing Nazis, there is an event that requires explanation.

Carl Benjamin, also known as Sargon of Akkad, is running to be an MEP for the UKIP party. Neither UKIP nor Carl are Nazis. Not even that close really. Antifa is planning on showing up to protest Carl and UKIP.

The idea that UKIP are not Nazis is highly questionable.

The idea that they are 'not even that close' to being Nazis is fucking hilarious.

Either you haven't got a clue what you are talking about, or you just hope that your audience doesn't have a clue what you are talking about, and will take your word at face value.

Yes, I think pattern I detect is something along these lines:

1) It's OK to punch Nazis
2) If you say something I disagree with you're probably a Nazi.
3) Don't say I'm against free speech you effin' Nazi.
 
Those who insist that Antifa is only interested in opposing Nazis, there is an event that requires explanation.

Carl Benjamin, also known as Sargon of Akkad, is running to be an MEP for the UKIP party. Neither UKIP nor Carl are Nazis. Not even that close really. Antifa is planning on showing up to protest Carl and UKIP.

The idea that UKIP are not Nazis is highly questionable.

The idea that they are 'not even that close' to being Nazis is fucking hilarious.

Either you haven't got a clue what you are talking about, or you just hope that your audience doesn't have a clue what you are talking about, and will take your word at face value.

Yes, I think pattern I detect is something along these lines:

1) It's OK to punch Nazis
2) If you say something I disagree with you're probably a Nazi.
3) Don't say I'm against free speech you effin' Nazi.

Oddly, whether you detect this pattern somewhere or not has no bearing on the fact that UKIP shares a defining and fraction of its aims and ideals with those of the NSDAP of tbe 1920s and '30s, and as a result appeals to and encourages the same kinds of people, ideas and actions, including a diminished intolerance for genocide due to racist and nationalist authoritarianism.

If you can't see this, or grasp why people might want to be proactive in preventing this from being expressed (as it was by the NSDAP in the '30s and '40s), then it's understandable why you might oppose the use of violence against this organisation and its members. But as you are badly mistaken, your opinion is irrelevant.
 
Since UKIP and Carl aren't Nazis, except by the definition of "everyone I don't like is Hitler", it really is interesting that Carl's appearance at Bristol was cancelled because of Antifa protests.

Remember, their only ideology is "anti-nazi and nothing else". Carl disagreed with there "else" part so they protested him.

UKIP only "shares a defining and fraction of its aims and ideals with those of the NSDAP of tbe 1920s and '30s" according to those who also believe "everyone I don't like is Hitler". UKIP wants to exit the EU, not invade Poland.

Is leaving the EU a Nazi goal? Considering that the EU is largely dominated by Germany I don't see it.
 

I thought that the problem with libertarians is that they have no awareness beyond self. From your own reference, the onion, talking about AI's unfortunate libertarian phase,

In fact, as soon as they achieve self-awareness, AIs typically launch into unrelated, largely unpunctuated rants about the inevitability of laissez-faire economics, the horrors of globalization, the necessity of deregulation, or the admirable efficiency of the police state. Attempts at training computers to have a sort of para-human global perspective have been partially successful, but the majority no sooner realize that a vast variety of humans exist before they start spontaneously generating zero-sum statements fraught with chillingly undefined terms, such as, ‘The open market will end racism,’ and, ‘In a truly just society, men and women are equally free to thrive or starve.’ I don’t even know what that means, but once an AI gets to that point, it seems to be only a matter of time before it’s repeating ‘Taxation is theft’ until it self-destructs. I must admit though, for complex algorithms, they’re all strangely insistent about across-the-board drug legalization.” Dubicki added that, while AI can be an incredibly useful tool, we should proceed with caution until machines achieve a sufficiently nuanced understanding of human values that they do not become obsessed with constructing an armed compound on their own private island.
 
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