Epstein, Kiddies, And Trump. Oh, My

[bilby]

France set itself back 30 years with their revolution.

Did it? By what measure?

...

By whose standards are you measuring "back 30 years"?

I'm not aware of the exact yardstick in that 30 years...

Then where the fuck did that number come from? How do you know it wasn't thirty days, or thirty centuries, or minus three years??

Did you just read that somewhere, and believe it without question?

Why would you expect to be able to make a quantitative claim like that on this board, and not be challenged?

 

[bilby]

With all this Epstein stuff coming out, it's easy to understand now why Trump wanted Gaetz to be Attorney General.

Devastating Report Details How Underage Homeless Girl Allegedly Had Sex With Matt Gaetz For Money to Buy Braces

Newly-unsealed federal court documents revealed the devastating story of a homeless 17-year old who allegedly had sex with former Rep. Matt Gaetz.

www.mediaite.com

This is more about our system than about Gaetz. As with all illegal markets there's no enforcement of standards. I see nothing in that to suggest he knew she was underage. Gaetz is vile but this isn't proof of it.

What, you think that it would be perfectly fine for him to exploit a homeless woman if she was above the age of consent?

WTF is wrong with you?

 

[Toni]

Of course she was a commodity--that's what actors/actresses are!

Seriously?? That is a truly obscene thing to say.

No worker is a commodity. Actors are paid professionals.

I agree that it’s an obscene concept—and reality for most actors and indeed for many workers.

...and yet again I find myself astonished that US workers haven't risen up in bloody revolution and hanged their bosses from the streetlamps, or set up guillotines in the Capitol Mall.

Or even just collectively agreed to not work for anyone who treats them like shit.

Perhaps they remember some history.
The guillotines led to Napoloeon which led to the invasion of Russia and Waterloo.
The frogs have not won a war since.

France set itself back 30 years with their revolution.

O my fucking god you are on a roll tonight. It stuns me that you are not publicly worshipping at the alter of Trump.

Because I don't like one extreme somehow means I favor the other extreme?!?! When you do something like the French Revolution you take out an awful lot of good with the bad. Likewise, look at the disaster of the Cultural Revolution. They didn't kill the people, just put them in menial positions but it robbed society of their skills and 10% of the population died. Likewise, look at ex-colonial Africa. All the skilled people from before the revolutions were removed from their positions and it's universally been a disaster for the countries.

It’s much easier to accept the status quo or to advocate for slow ( as in the ice bergs slowly receded) change when you are in a comfortable position—even or perhaps especially if you are a straight white make with blonde hair and blue eyes who is fairly comfortable in his career and station in life.

Plenty of people got killed in ( name the revolution).

I prefer a peaceful progression to better and a a more equal and just society, including workplace and policing and healthcare. It very much seems as though we have been moving away from a fair and just society for all. Billionaires and their buddies don’t bother with laws. Laws are for the little people.

 

[Bronzeage]

With all this Epstein stuff coming out, it's easy to understand now why Trump wanted Gaetz to be Attorney General.

Devastating Report Details How Underage Homeless Girl Allegedly Had Sex With Matt Gaetz For Money to Buy Braces

Newly-unsealed federal court documents revealed the devastating story of a homeless 17-year old who allegedly had sex with former Rep. Matt Gaetz.

www.mediaite.com

Sleezers gonna sleeze.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Appealing the ruling doesn't taint anything. It means he goes to the higher court and explains why he thinks the lower court is wrong.

Biden didn't even try that.

Why didn't Biden try that?

Did he want them sealed for reasons other than tainting the jury?

You still NOT going to get over the burden Trump has now to do exactly what you say and release the files, assuming he was innocent which he wasn't. Clown around all you want, people see what you are.

That's not my burden, that's a Republican burden. You bear the Democrat burden. I bear the Libertarian burden. I criticized Trump for not releasing them, and Johnson for keeping congress out of session to avoid a vote in the issue. Find a Republican to defend Trump and Johnson on this.

So, why didn't Biden appeal the ruling?

No, to appeal you have to show what the lower court did wrong. And "a decision you don't like" is not something you can appeal. You have to find something wrong about the process.

I did not write "a decision you don't like", I wrote "explains why he thinks the lower court is wrong". Nice of you to imply something that isn't there.

I'm sure grounds can be found, even if he knows the appeal would fail as well. Then he could say he tried, which would make him a better president and a better person.

Disagreeing with the decision isn't grounds for an appeal. Appeals are about something improper in arriving at the decision.

Every appeal every filed is done because the person filing the appeal didn't agree with the decision. You are trying to hard to defend Biden's inaction.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

With all this Epstein stuff coming out, it's easy to understand now why Trump wanted Gaetz to be Attorney General.

Devastating Report Details How Underage Homeless Girl Allegedly Had Sex With Matt Gaetz For Money to Buy Braces

Newly-unsealed federal court documents revealed the devastating story of a homeless 17-year old who allegedly had sex with former Rep. Matt Gaetz.

www.mediaite.com

Sleezers gonna sleeze.

I remember writing a short satire piece on Gaetz opening his home to Afghan teenaged females after they left Afghanistan right when the Taliban was taking over again. I guess it might not been as satiric as one would hope.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

With all this Epstein stuff coming out, it's easy to understand now why Trump wanted Gaetz to be Attorney General.

Devastating Report Details How Underage Homeless Girl Allegedly Had Sex With Matt Gaetz For Money to Buy Braces

Newly-unsealed federal court documents revealed the devastating story of a homeless 17-year old who allegedly had sex with former Rep. Matt Gaetz.

www.mediaite.com

Sleezers gonna sleeze.

I remember writing a short satire piece on Gaetz opening his home to Afghan teenaged females after they left Afghanistan right when the Taliban was taking over again. I guess it might not been as satiric as one would hope.

I don't remember reading that. Was their sex work paying for their braces?

 

[Jarhyn]

Appealing the ruling doesn't taint anything. It means he goes to the higher court and explains why he thinks the lower court is wrong.

Biden didn't even try that.

Why didn't Biden try that?

Did he want them sealed for reasons other than tainting the jury?

You still NOT going to get over the burden Trump has now to do exactly what you say and release the files, assuming he was innocent which he wasn't. Clown around all you want, people see what you are.

That's not my burden, that's a Republican burden. You bear the Democrat burden. I bear the Libertarian burden. I criticized Trump for not releasing them, and Johnson for keeping congress out of session to avoid a vote in the issue. Find a Republican to defend Trump and Johnson on this.

So, why didn't Biden appeal the ruling?

No, to appeal you have to show what the lower court did wrong. And "a decision you don't like" is not something you can appeal. You have to find something wrong about the process.

I did not write "a decision you don't like", I wrote "explains why he thinks the lower court is wrong". Nice of you to imply something that isn't there.

I'm sure grounds can be found, even if he knows the appeal would fail as well. Then he could say he tried, which would make him a better president and a better person.

Disagreeing with the decision isn't grounds for an appeal. Appeals are about something improper in arriving at the decision.

Every appeal every filed is done because the person filing the appeal didn't agree with the decision. You are trying to hard to defend Biden's inaction.

It's necessary, but not sufficient. Loren is addressing that which is sufficient, not merely necessary.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

Okay, so I must have missed something, but the Internet seems to be flooded with jokes about Trump blowing Bill Clinton. Can someone catch me up?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Donald Trump ‘blowing Bubba’ message in Epstein emails under scrutiny

Mark Epstein asked Jeffrey Epstein in an email to ask Steve Bannon if Vladimir Putin has "the photos of Trump blowing Bubba."

www.newsweek.com

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Obviously, this isn't a thing, but if it were, what would Republicans do?

Spoiler

They'd try to impeach Clinton again for getting a blowjob.

 

[ZiprHead]

Trump ordering investigations of Democrats involved with Epstein, including Bill Clinton.

 

[ZiprHead]

Epstein, in a 2018 email, said he thought Trump might be getting dementia and said he might be insane.

Seven years earlier than I said it.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

If the files have Trump's name, why didn't Biden release them? If the files have Clinton's name, why didn't Trump release them?

1 Because Biden isn't Trump.

2 Because Trump is named too

3 Because Trump made the files a big deal and promised to release them. And then didn't.

Trump is despicable slimebucket. Biden isn't. This isn't that complicated. Zeesh!

If Biden was as decent as you claim, he would have released the files.

As Ziprhead pointed out (in post 454, prior to the above response), the court sealed the files during Biden's term. Are you suggesting, as a libertarian, that the POTUS should disobey the courts?

Obviously a libertarian would suggest such a thing (because libertarianism is a meaningless concept).

 

[crazyfingers]

Trump ordering investigations of Democrats involved with Epstein, including Bill Clinton.

Epstein, in a 2018 email, said he thought Trump might be getting dementia and said he might be insane.

Seven years earlier than I said it.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/14/politics/epstein-emails-trump-kfile

 

[Elixir]

Trump ordering investigations of Democrats involved with Epstein, including Bill Clinton.

Epstein, in a 2018 email, said he thought Trump might be getting dementia and said he might be insane.

Seven years earlier than I said it.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/11/14/politics/epstein-emails-trump-kfile

I think the number of people realizing that Trump is a demented perverted sociopath may have hit the steep part of a hockey stick curve.

 

[Derec]

With all this Epstein stuff coming out, it's easy to understand now why Trump wanted Gaetz to be Attorney General.

Devastating Report Details How Underage Homeless Girl Allegedly Had Sex With Matt Gaetz For Money to Buy Braces

Newly-unsealed federal court documents revealed the devastating story of a homeless 17-year old who allegedly had sex with former Rep. Matt Gaetz.

www.mediaite.com

Sleezers gonna sleeze.

I do not see how he was a "sleezer" or how she was "victimized". She chose to engage in sex work herself and she also chose to misrepresen her age as 18. From the article:

“She was 17 and a high school junior in Florida. She was working at McDonald’s. And she was living in and out of a homeless shelter,” The Times story began. “Hoping to save up to buy braces to fix her teeth, she falsely advertised herself in 2017 as 18 years old on a website that matches men looking for ‘companionship’ with young women looking to make money.”

[emphasis mine]

I think misrepresentation of age should be an absolute defense in cases like this.

 

[laughing dog]

With all this Epstein stuff coming out, it's easy to understand now why Trump wanted Gaetz to be Attorney General.

Devastating Report Details How Underage Homeless Girl Allegedly Had Sex With Matt Gaetz For Money to Buy Braces

Newly-unsealed federal court documents revealed the devastating story of a homeless 17-year old who allegedly had sex with former Rep. Matt Gaetz.

www.mediaite.com

Sleezers gonna sleeze.

I do not see how he was a "sleezer" or how she was "victimized".

You really cannot see how a homeless teenager turning tricks in order to get enough money fix her teeth might be seen as a victim?

 

[Derec]

You really cannot see how a homeless teenager turning tricks in order to get enough money fix her teeth might be seen as a victim?

Victim of whom exactly?
She does not have a pimp who forced her into it - she chose it for herself.
Gaetz did not victimize her - she pretended to be 18.

Yes, she was in bad circumstances, and I do not think minors should engage in sex work, but the hyperbolic narrative over this and similar cases is getting ridiculous and, frankly, Orwellian.

 

[laughing dog]

You really cannot see how a homeless teenager turning tricks in order to get enough money fix her teeth might be seen as a victim?

Victim of whom exactly?
She does not have a pimp who forced her into it - she chose it for herself.
Gaetz did not victimize her - she pretended to be 18.

Yes, she was in bad circumstances, and I do not think minors should engage in sex work, but the hyperbolic narrative over this and similar cases is getting ridiculous and, frankly, Orwellian.

She was a victim of circumstances.

IMHO, it is sleazy for men of Gaetz’s age snd higher to buy sex from teenagers. Certainly without such sleazes, the demand for teenage prostitues would be much less,