DNC - Convention in Philadelpia - Are you ready to Rock?

[Terrell]

I'd agree with other posters who basically said that this election is about which candidate you dislike least. I doubt that the winner of this election will get a 2nd term.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I'd agree with other posters who basically said that this election is about which candidate you dislike least. I doubt that the winner of this election will get a 2nd term.

Well, you never know. The GOP might end up running Ted Cruz in 2020. For a group that claims to hate Hillary Clinton so much, they sure seem to want to go out of their way to help her.

 

[ksen]

I think Trump has peaked.

I understand wanting to think that. But we have to be honest, people have been saying Trump has peaked or has a low ceiling since he entered the race and he kept winning anyway.

There's a very good chance we are going to end up with a President Trump.

 

[braces_for_impact]

I still think that the debates will really swing things into Clinton's favor. Trump knows next to nothing, and of course he'll cram some for these debates, but he's way too narcissistic to take any kind of studying seriously. He remains the best textbook case of Dunning-Krueger I've ever seen. All Clinton has to do is dig a little bit deeper than the surface on any topic, and expose his incredible level of ignorance combined with his incredible bravado, and he'll look like the fool he is. The more he seems to be losing, the more he'll shoot his mouth off. I'm actually really looking forward to it.

 

[Terrell]

I'd agree with other posters who basically said that this election is about which candidate you dislike least. I doubt that the winner of this election will get a 2nd term.

Well, you never know. The GOP might end up running Ted Cruz in 2020. For a group that claims to hate Hillary Clinton so much, they sure seem to want to go out of their way to help her.

If she wins and the Republicans run a really bad candidate against her in 2020 that may happen. If they run a semi-reasonable candidate though, I don't think HRC will get a 2nd term, assuming she gets a 1st. Nate Silver's now cast is pretty frightening. Don't forget we're a country that elected GWB. I'll feel secure the day after the electoral college votes, and HRC has the 270th vote. Hopefully Donald Trump will prove to be a train wreck to enough people, assuming they don't like train wrecks, to get HRC elected. I think it's possible for Trump to put his foot so far into his mouth that it comes out of his ass, and still win. I find that disturbing.

If HRC doesn't get to 270 though, it's Trump. I don't see the Democrats having majorities in 26 or more House delegations to win if it's thrown into the House of Representatives. Each state gets 1 vote regardless of population if it's decided by the House. If there's a 269-269 tie in the electoral college that happens. The other scenario is somehow Gary Johnson gets on the debate stage, and picks off a few states that each side relies on and no one gets to 270. I don't think that will happen. If Johnson does get in the debates, I'd watch the south west closely starting with New Mexico.

 

[RavenSky]

I still think that the debates will really swing things into Clinton's favor. Trump knows next to nothing, and of course he'll cram some for these debates, but he's way too narcissistic to take any kind of studying seriously. He remains the best textbook case of Dunning-Krueger I've ever seen. All Clinton has to do is dig a little bit deeper than the surface on any topic, and expose his incredible level of ignorance combined with his incredible bravado, and he'll look like the fool he is. The more he seems to be losing, the more he'll shoot his mouth off. I'm actually really looking forward to it.

I agree with everything except your first sentence. My fear is that his followers will also be unable to recognize his ignorance, even if it is further exposed during the debates. Maybe it will swing the "undecideds", and maybe that will be enough. But seriously, who can be truthfully undecided at this point?

 

[laughing dog]

I still think that the debates will really swing things into Clinton's favor. Trump knows next to nothing, and of course he'll cram some for these debates, but he's way too narcissistic to take any kind of studying seriously. He remains the best textbook case of Dunning-Krueger I've ever seen. All Clinton has to do is dig a little bit deeper than the surface on any topic, and expose his incredible level of ignorance combined with his incredible bravado, and he'll look like the fool he is. The more he seems to be losing, the more he'll shoot his mouth off. I'm actually really looking forward to it.

I agree with everything except your first sentence. My fear is that his followers will also be unable to recognize his ignorance, even if it is further exposed during the debates. Maybe it will swing the "undecideds", and maybe that will be enough. But seriously, who can be truthfully undecided at this point?

There is a good chance Drumpf will start to alienate some of less than diehard fans. For example, I believe that his asking Russian intelligence for help in releasing Clinton's emails is going to hurt him a bit with his base (actual and prospective).

 

[AthenaAwakened]

I'd agree with other posters who basically said that this election is about which candidate you dislike least. I doubt that the winner of this election will get a 2nd term.

I agree

 

[ksen]

I agree with everything except your first sentence. My fear is that his followers will also be unable to recognize his ignorance, even if it is further exposed during the debates. Maybe it will swing the "undecideds", and maybe that will be enough. But seriously, who can be truthfully undecided at this point?

There is a good chance Drumpf will start to alienate some of less than diehard fans. For example, I believe that his asking Russian intelligence for help in releasing Clinton's emails is going to hurt him a bit with his base (actual and prospective).

You mean the same base that cheered Putin on in Syria?

The same base that cheered Russia on when they took over an airport or whatever in Kosovo/Serbia back in the 90s?

 

[Sarpedon]

On the plus side, one can imagine a more palatable republican candidate next time around. Its quite possible Cruz has finally pissed off everyone, and the Marcobot might not be able to cut it again, and we might end up with someone who didn't run this last time. The big fish would be Ryan, who is not palatable, but some of the younger governors or senators might give it a go, and not all of them are horrible.

While I doubt I'd vote for a republican ever again, they do have people who wouldn't be dangerously incompetent or egotistical. Just not headlining these days. They'll have to remake their party in the next four years, they may even remake it into something not quite so awful. Or the angry old people might just go for another fossil.

 

[Tristan Scott]

I'd agree with other posters who basically said that this election is about which candidate you dislike least. I doubt that the winner of this election will get a 2nd term.

I don't, in fact I find the idea of "liking" candidates, people you don't even know, to be somewhat trite.

This election is really about who is going to appoint the next three Supreme Court justices. They will determine whether we continue allowing big money to control our election process. They could also decide once and for all the constitutionality needed controls on firearms, a woman's right to chose, and Universal Healthcare.

It's also about raising the minimum wage and helping students with their college tuition. It's about helping working mothers with daycare, and insuring they get paid equally to their male counterparts.

But, go ahead and vote for people you "like", or dislike the least, if that's really what matters to you.

 

[Terrell]

I'd agree with other posters who basically said that this election is about which candidate you dislike least. I doubt that the winner of this election will get a 2nd term.

I don't, in fact I find the idea of "liking" candidates, people you don't even know, to be somewhat trite.

This election is really about who is going to appoint the next three Supreme Court justices. They will determine whether we continue allowing big money to control our election process. They could also decide once and for all the constitutionality needed controls on firearms, a woman's right to chose, and Universal Healthcare.

It's also about raising the minimum wage and helping students with their college tuition. It's about helping working mothers with daycare, and insuring they get paid equally to their male counterparts.

But, go ahead and vote for people you "like", or dislike the least, if that's really what matters to you.

I agree. I've already decided to vote for HRC for those very reasons. What I'm concerned about is what other voters will do, especially voters in swing states. Then again in 2013 I already was inclined to go blue no matter who. I've voted Democratic in every presidential election since I turned 18 in 1988. I have yet to see a Republican candidate I find acceptable for that office.

I want a government that stays out of unnecessary wars, people's bedrooms, people's game rooms, and makes sure the laws are as fair and just as possible for everyone both in theory & practice. I think that the Ds are closer to that than the Rs.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I'd agree with other posters who basically said that this election is about which candidate you dislike least. I doubt that the winner of this election will get a 2nd term.

I don't, in fact I find the idea of "liking" candidates, people you don't even know, to be somewhat trite.

This election is really about who is going to appoint the next three Supreme Court justices. They will determine whether we continue allowing big money to control our election process. They could also decide once and for all the constitutionality needed controls on firearms, a woman's right to chose, and Universal Healthcare.

Many people voting for Trump are voting for blind nationalism. His supporters don't really seem to care about much other than making America "great again". Oh... he will apparently change one thing in the tax code and that'll magically bring trillions over to the states! Others are voting against Clinton because... welll... anti-christ.

Support for Clinton is more broad with people who like her as a candidate, like her for the party platform, or simply scared to death of Trump and his base winning in November.

It's also about raising the minimum wage and helping students with their college tuition. It's about helping working mothers with daycare, and insuring they get paid equally to their male counterparts.

Or at least get the ball rolling for it.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

On the plus side, one can imagine a more palatable republican candidate next time around. Its quite possible Cruz has finally pissed off everyone, and the Marcobot might not be able to cut it again, and we might end up with someone who didn't run this last time. The big fish would be Ryan, who is not palatable, but some of the younger governors or senators might give it a go, and not all of them are horrible.

But the Party won't have improved, shy of a dismantling in November. The problem with McCain wasn't McCain, it was the party. Same thing with Romney. It wasn't him, it was the party.

While I doubt I'd vote for a republican ever again, they do have people who wouldn't be dangerously incompetent or egotistical. Just not headlining these days. They'll have to remake their party in the next four years, they may even remake it into something not quite so awful. Or the angry old people might just go for another fossil.

The Party is apolitical and their base has drank Flavoraid that has been served for the last 30+ years.

 

[Sarpedon]

My point is that after this, I totally expect that the GOP will have to change, or double down and dwindle. If it changes, there is a chance it will change positively. This election has obviously sparked a crisis within the party. There is no telling how it will react. It might become worse, it might become better, it might deny that there's any problem and continue what it has been doing for another cycle.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

My point is that after this, I totally expect that the GOP will have to change, or double down and dwindle. If it changes, there is a chance it will change positively. This election has obviously sparked a crisis within the party. There is no telling how it will react. It might become worse, it might become better, it might deny that there's any problem and continue what it has been doing for another cycle.

After 2008 Michael Medved on his program was noting the party was going to need to be more inclusive, especially with Latino voters (I mean after all, a good number of them are quite conservative religiously!). Instead, the base thought they didn't have conservative enough of a candidate. Then 2012 happens, and the primary was wild, but controlled by the establishment. Lost again, and now in 2016, the base won and appointed a guy who donated $100k to the Clinton Foundation in 2009. Hey... wait a minute!

They keep trying to shift right and if they were trashed, that could kill the movement, but right now, the hatred of Clinton is so indoctrinated in the right-wing, this landslide doesn't look like its going to happen... at least not yet.

 

[Sarpedon]

Somethings gotta give eventually. It might take a few more cycles, but eventually the far right will either self destruct, detach, or die off. I think this experience will be traumatic enough for it to happen starting now.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

People in this country are hurting, be they Democrat or Republican and politics as usual WILL NOT and CAN NOT address the problems of 90% of the population. Hillary Clinton has been running for the 2016 DP Nomination for POTUS since November 2008 and she still almost lost to a democratic socialist with little name recognition, no super pacs, and donations averaging $27 a pop. Trump is the GOP nominee not because he offers solutions but because he voices anger born of fear for millions of Americans who have no idea where their futures lie. There has been a shift in the movement this country and anyone who wants to truly lead this country had better get in front of it or be run over by it.

 

[Harry Bosch]

I'd agree with other posters who basically said that this election is about which candidate you dislike least. I doubt that the winner of this election will get a 2nd term.

I don't, in fact I find the idea of "liking" candidates, people you don't even know, to be somewhat trite.

This election is really about who is going to appoint the next three Supreme Court justices. They will determine whether we continue allowing big money to control our election process. They could also decide once and for all the constitutionality needed controls on firearms, a woman's right to chose, and Universal Healthcare.

It's also about raising the minimum wage and helping students with their college tuition. It's about helping working mothers with daycare, and insuring they get paid equally to their male counterparts.

But, go ahead and vote for people you "like", or dislike the least, if that's really what matters to you.

Well, the party that gets elected will carry a staff of around 5,000 that will run the government with the quite able help of the republican congress (joke). Hillary and Trump are simply the people at the top. To ignore everyone else in the administration. Having said that, voting for Hillary over Trump for me is a complete no-brainer!

 

[Sarpedon]

Right. Whichever party loses will break. Beating Trump would have been shooting fish in a barrel for any sort of decent democratic candidate. Beating Clinton should have been like shit off a shovel for any sort of decent republican candidate. After the election, the question one party will be asking is 'How could we have lost to him/her? Why couldn't we find a decent candidate?'