DACA

[RavenSky]

Replace those illegal immigrants with legal immigrants, the numbers will be the same and perhaps greater because legal immigrants won't evade paying taxes and millions of illegal immigrants do.

This is a process of deporting an illegal immigrant and bring an immigrant whom in his country has filled the application, has passed thru the process of acceptance, medical records, police records, etc, and admitted legally in the USA.

This should be the best immigration reform, replacing one by the another.

Does it bother you that everything that you have asserted in this thread has been bullshit! Everything. I'm not going to debate someone who is so ignorant of the facts. Here is an excellent source of non-biased information:

https://www.factcheck.org/

I would ask you to educate yourself. Please go on the site and find facts that support your assertions. You'll quickly find out that "illegals" don't evade their taxes. They pay far more in taxes that they receive. I'm done responding to your posts unless you can support them with evidence and links.

Sure, go to Home Depot and hire illegal immigrants as workers receiving cash only.

You've check their immigration status?

Or are you just making biased assumptions?

Harry is correct... you've provided nothing but bullshit to this thread. You need to start backing up your claims with factual sources.

 

[Patooka]

You've check their immigration status?

Or are you just making biased assumptions?

Harry is correct... you've provided nothing but bullshit to this thread. You need to start backing up your claims with factual sources.

You need to go to Home Depot and buy yourself a comfortable chair, because you're going to be waiting a while before that happens. You might want to stock up on snacks as well; it will be a long wait.

 

[TSwizzle]

Actually, most illegal immigrants DO pay taxes because their employers withhold the taxes; but they don't get any of it back as tax refunds.

How does that work ? How does someone working illegally pay income tax ? And if they are paying taxes, what is preventing them filing their tax return ? And why would they be due a tax refund ?

 

[Elixir]

How does that work ? How does someone working illegally pay income tax ?

LMGTFY

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

How does that work ? How does someone working illegally pay income tax ?

LMGTFY

Several stories we hear about are people who are not authorized to be in the US, but are in communication with Immigration periodically, paying their taxes, and jumping through a number of hopes to remain in the US. IE, they are authorized unauthorized people in the US.

But you know, MS-13 is destroying America, so we'll pretend all unauthorized peoples are harmful to the US. And in doing so, Trump is killing any possible trust that can exist between these people and the US Government.

 

[Derec]

LMGTFY

Several stories we hear about are people who are not authorized to be in the US, but are in communication with Immigration periodically, paying their taxes, and jumping through a number of hopes to remain in the US. IE, they are authorized unauthorized people in the US.

And that's a problem. Illegals should be deported as soon as authorities find out they are illegal, not aided and abetted by the government.

 

[laughing dog]

LMGTFY

Several stories we hear about are people who are not authorized to be in the US, but are in communication with Immigration periodically, paying their taxes, and jumping through a number of hopes to remain in the US. IE, they are authorized unauthorized people in the US.

And that's a problem. Illegals should be deported as soon as authorities find out they are illegal, not aided and abetted by the government.

In an effort to encourage honest reporting and payment, the IRS does not share taxpayer data with any agencies. The IRS is not abetting anyone, the IRS is following the law for a good policy reason.

 

[Derec]

In an effort to encourage honest reporting and payment, the IRS does not share taxpayer data with any agencies. The IRS is not abetting anyone, the IRS is following the law for a good policy reason.

Good policy would be to deport illegals quickly. If that were happening we wouldn't have these problems with so-called "dreamers", nor assorted sob-stories of illegals deported after living here for decades.

 

[laughing dog]

In an effort to encourage honest reporting and payment, the IRS does not share taxpayer data with any agencies. The IRS is not abetting anyone, the IRS is following the law for a good policy reason.

Good policy would be to deport illegals quickly. If that were happening we wouldn't have these problems with so-called "dreamers", nor assorted sob-stories of illegals deported after living here for decades.

The only problem with dreamers is the assholes who wish to punish children for the transgressions of their parents.

 

[Derec]

The only problem with dreamers is the assholes who wish to punish children for the transgressions of their parents.

If illegals are deported quickly, their children would not be punished, just not rewarded. The problems only occur because of failure to deport illegals quickly, which means they live in the US for years, and the children grow up here.
I think it should be made nearly impossible for illegals to function here, but as long as they are able to work, the government is giving them all kinds of benefits and turning a blind eye when they know who the illegals are we will keep getting these problems.

 

[laughing dog]

The only problem with dreamers is the assholes who wish to punish children for the transgressions of their parents.

If illegals are deported quickly, their children would not be punished, just not rewarded.

Moving to a new country against your will where you may not speak the language or know anyone is a type of punishment or become a victim of violence is punishment.

The problems only occur because of failure to deport illegals quickly, which means they live in the US for years, and the children grow up here.

Most crimes have a statute of limitations. Illegal immigration is a victimless crime. It should also have a statute of limitation - after a certain period, one is no longer an illegal immigrant.

I think it should be made nearly impossible for illegals to function here, but as long as they are able to work, the government is giving them all kinds of benefits and turning a blind eye when they know who the illegals are we will keep getting these problems.

You should goosestep over to Senator Tom Cotton's office and offer your support.

 

[Derec]

Moving to a new country against your will where you may not speak the language or know anyone is a type of punishment

But this only happens because illegals are allowed to stay here and their kids grow up here and forget Mexico.

or become a victim of violence is punishment.

What violence? These are economic migrants, not refugees.

Most crimes have a statute of limitations. Illegal immigration is a victimless crime. It should also have a statute of limitation - after a certain period, one is no longer an illegal immigrant.

Wouldn't that make it even more imperative to remove illegals quickly before they are grandfathered in?

You should goosestep over to Senator Tom Cotton's office and offer your support.

Not in my state, but if he agrees with what I wrote, he has the right idea as to how to deal with illegals.

 

[laughing dog]

But this only happens because illegals are allowed to stay here and their kids grow up here and forget Mexico.

You do realize that these undocumented people come from many places. If you think it is easy and inexpensive to identify, locate and deport these people, you should become a consultant for ICE.

What violence? These are economic migrants, not refugees.

Many places in Mexico, Honduras and Costa Rica (to name a few) are extremely violent.

Wouldn't that make it even more imperative to remove illegals quickly before they are grandfathered in?

Only if one is a nativistic xenophobic douche.

Not in my state, but if he agrees with what I wrote, he has the right idea as to how to deal with illegals.

All the more reason for you to get off your butt and offer your support to that douchebag.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

In an effort to encourage honest reporting and payment, the IRS does not share taxpayer data with any agencies. The IRS is not abetting anyone, the IRS is following the law for a good policy reason.

Good policy would be to deport illegals quickly. If that were happening we wouldn't have these problems with so-called "dreamers", nor assorted sob-stories of illegals deported after living here for decades.

The only problem with dreamers is the assholes who wish to punish children for the transgressions of their parents.

The problem is, of course, more complex than that. The problem is the law needs to be fixed to accommodate the dreamers. Until that law is fixed then technically, and I disagree with the law, technically they are in violation of US immigration law.

 

[laughing dog]

The only problem with dreamers is the assholes who wish to punish children for the transgressions of their parents.

The problem is, of course, more complex than that. The problem is the law needs to be fixed to accommodate the dreamers. Until that law is fixed then technically, and I disagree with the law, technically they are in violation of US immigration law.

There have been a number of easy fixes to the law that have been mooted, but none have been adopted - mainly because of people who wish to punish children for the transgressions of their parents. But technical violations of a law (particularly an unjust one) are not required to be policed or enforced.

 

[Elixir]

There have been a number of easy fixes to the law that have been mooted, but none have been adopted - mainly because of people who wish to punish children for the transgressions of their parents. But technical violations of a law (particularly an unjust one) are not required to be policed or enforced.

Easy fixes that don't involve getting rid of DACA recipients are not acceptable to alt-right snowflakes. It has nothing to do withwhat is just, what is equitable or any other rational consideration. It's about the fact that the alt-right snowflakes harbor irrational fears of anyone who doesn't look and sound like them. Those fears are conscientiously stoked by the Cheato cabal, which effects even those who may not have voted for the orange turd.

 

[jonatha]

Secondly, people that cross the border commit misdemeanors, and most misdemeanors do not result in jail time.

I’m all for making it a felony with a minimum sentence of 20 years hard labor.

Lots of them do the hard labor, albeit not inside a prison

 

[Derec]

You do realize that these undocumented people come from many places.

Yes, but they mostly come from Mexico and a big chunk of the rest is from Central America.

If you think it is easy and inexpensive to identify, locate and deport these people, you should become a consultant for ICE.

Government already knows who they are in most cases. And to deport them is certainly less expensive than the consequences of letting over 10 million illegals live in the US.

Many places in Mexico, Honduras and Costa Rica (to name a few) are extremely violent.

As are many places in the US. Due to, among others, the efforts of MS13, Latin Kings etc.
Yes, there is high crime in Mexico and elsewhere, but the chief reason illegals are coming is money.

Only if one is a nativistic xenophobic douche.

The Left is dropping any pretense that they actually want immigration laws enforces. To the Left, if you want immigration laws enforces, you are a "nativistic xenophobic douche".

 

[Derec]

Easy fixes that don't involve getting rid of DACA recipients are not acceptable to alt-right snowflakes.

You are still using that word incorrectly, but alt-left does not want any immigration laws being enforced - they want open borders.
I think even what you call the alt-right would accept some provision for DACAns if finally immigration laws were enforced (including swift deportation of new illegals) because otherwise we will have new "dreamers" in a couple of decades.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Most crimes have a statute of limitations. Illegal immigration is a victimless crime. It should also have a statute of limitation - after a certain period, one is no longer an illegal immigrant.

Wouldn't that make it even more imperative to remove illegals quickly before they are grandfathered in?

Not only that, but if they are remaining here then they are continuing to commit that crime, so long as illegal immigration is illegal. So the statute of limitations would only begin to run when they leave.

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Only if one is a nativistic xenophobic douche.

The Left is dropping any pretense that they actually want immigration laws enforces. To the Left, if you want immigration laws enforces, you are a "nativistic xenophobic douche".

That is indeed a problem. Either don't make these laws or enforce these laws. You shouldn't be making and then ignoring them for some while others wait in long lings to get in. Where is the sympathy for the ones who do it legally? Make these laws easier for people to get in, do away with most of the restrictions, and enforce the restrictions you keep.