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[Derec]

So centrists, rather than growing up and taking some measure responsibility for the wellbeing of their democracy, chose to abandon their supposed party and throw their weight behind a neo-fascist egotist instead.

I don't think many centrist Democrats voted for Trump. Or do you have a [citation needed] that shows otherwise?

My understanding is that it was the leftist and Muslim Democrats who refused to vote for Kamala because she wasn't . Some voted for Trump, others voted for the likes of Jill Stein.
These were the election results in Dearbornistan:

Do you really think that it was centrists who were responsible for that?

 

[Derec]

Are you saying that something should have been done about Swalwell sooner?

Iff he is guilty, absolutely. In that case these women should have gone to the police right away, and gotten any physical evidence collected.
You can't have any meaningful evidence when you wait eight years to make a claim.

 

[Derec]

The difference between Republicans and Democrats is that when you find out your politicians are criminals, you circle around to defend them against "lies" and "attacks". We don't.

You err in the other direction. You abandon people based on unproven allegations, and blow things out of proportion.

Take Al Franken. He was ran out of DC on a rail by his own party (insufferable Kirsten Gillibrand was the Chief Inquisitor) for the high crime of joking around while being a comedian.

 

[Derec]

Depends how quickly he can make friends with Trump. Trump pardons are this nation's most valuable social commodity.

Trump can't pardon for state crimes.

 

[Derec]

Then you have your answer. Most women don't report, because most men are like you.

How do you know how many women don't report, or why they don't report? By definition, those alleged rapes are not reported.

You hear that four women have accused the same man of rape, and you think, wow! How does that guy know so many dishonest harlots?

If the claims were independent, you'd have a point. But they aren't, so we can't treat them as such.

The timing is also crucial here. The jungle primary field is busy this year, but two Republicans and three Democrats have been in double digits. That was dangerous for Democrats - what if the two Rs get #1 and #2 and advance to the general election? It would be a disaster. But nobody wanted to drop out, even the hopeless ones like Mahan, Villaraigosa and Barcerra.

So, qui bono? Right now, it seems to be Steyer, as he is on top in a recent poll. I smell ratfucking.

 

[Politesse]

Pro-rape politics are not nearly as popular as they used to be, and the Democrats are prudent, not foolish, to keep pace with the public mood.
Women's bodies are not yours to use without their consent.

You really cannot even imagine that a man might be innocent of a rape accusation, can you?

Of course I can. The world isn't black and white.

 

[Politesse]

You abandon people based on unproven allegations, and blow things out of proportion.

Well, yeah. It's a democracy, I don't owe anyone a vote. If they have baggage, that's a perfectly valid reason to vote for someone else.

 

[Politesse]

Depends how quickly he can make friends with Trump. Trump pardons are this nation's most valuable social commodity.

Trump can't pardon for state crimes.

True.

 

[Politesse]

Are you saying that something should have been done about Swalwell sooner?

Iff he is guilty, absolutely. In that case these women should have gone to the police right away, and gotten any physical evidence collected.
You can't have any meaningful evidence when you wait eight years to make a claim.

That wasn't the question. Tswizzle was intimating that Swalwell should have been abandoned by his friends when all that was known about him was that he was "flirty".

 

[ZiprHead]

2. If you ever wonder how the DNC pushes millions of voters away, your statement is an excellent example of why.

Don't know if you read the news, but you are definitely out of step with the public on this. The most common response to Swalwell stepping down is "good" followed by something along the lines of "at least the Democrats are not being hypocritical about this". Only a few people, all of them men, follow that up with "funny timing!" or other such jabs. Pro-rape politics are not nearly as popular as they used to be, and the Democrats are prudent, not foolish, to keep pace with the public mood.

Women's bodies are not yours to use without their consent.

I thought Swalwell was regarded as a rising star in the DNC despite rumors. Now all of a sudden it's "good riddance".

Funny old game, politics.

Because he was revealed to have sexually harassed multiple women, yes.

From what I have read so far, he had a bit of a reputation for "hitting on" women which certainly makes him a creep in my view. But that doesn't seem to have prevented his ascent.

The admission by Senator Ruben Gallego that he had heard, but disbelieved, rumors about Eric Swalwell and women showed the attitude on Capitol Hill toward men accused of behaving badly. Senator Ruben Gallego, Democrat of Arizona, acknowledged on Tuesday that he had long heard rumors that Representative Eric Swalwell was “flirty” with women, but had allowed his longtime friendship with the California Democrat to cloud his judgment and never said or did anything about it.

NYT

Flirty. He should have been hung from the town square.

Flirty is far from the same as drugging and raping women.

 

[Politesse]

So centrists, rather than growing up and taking some measure responsibility for the wellbeing of their democracy, chose to abandon their supposed party and throw their weight behind a neo-fascist egotist instead.

I don't think many centrist Democrats voted for Trump. Or do you have a [citation needed] that shows otherwise?

My understanding is that it was the leftist and Muslim Democrats who refused to vote for Kamala because she wasn't . Some voted for Trump, others voted for the likes of Jill Stein.
These were the election results in Dearbornistan:

Do you really think that it was centrists who were responsible for that?

No, actually. But that was the claim being made, that otherwise uncommitted voters, outraged by "the Wokes", were pushed into Trump's waiting arms.

 

[Derec]

No, actually. But that was the claim being made, that otherwise uncommitted voters, outraged by "the Wokes", were pushed into Trump's waiting arms.

Yes, I can see people being pissed off at those who see them as "oppressors" simply because they committed the unpardonable sin of being born white, male and straight. This is the cornerstone of intersectional "woke" ideology.

I can see that effect dominate if Dems choose to go with somebody very fauxgressive and identity politics in 2028. For 2024, the effect of the left fringe and the Muslims abandoning the Democrats was definitely much stronger though.

 

[thebeave]

Maybe Eric Swalwell is the single unluckiest person in the world? Watch from 4:40 on:

 

[Derec]

Maybe Eric Swalwell is the single unluckiest person in the world?

Live by the witchhunt, die by the witchhunt.

 

[Politesse]

Yes, I can see people being pissed off at those who see them as "oppressors" simply because they committed the unpardonable sin of being born white, male and straight. This is the cornerstone of intersectional "woke" ideology.

If there were such a thing as a "Woke ideology", that wouldn't be it. How is that "woke" in the slightest? What would one be woke to, if one believed that?

This is, I think, projection. You fear and hate women, gays, and all other races than your own, so you hysterically imagine we must all fear and hate you in the same way and call that Woke. Right? This is, however, an irrational fear.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

Yes, I can see people being pissed off at those who see them as "oppressors" simply because they committed the unpardonable sin of being born white, male and straight. This is the cornerstone of intersectional "woke" ideology.

If there were such a thing as a "Woke ideology", that wouldn't be it. How is that "woke" in the slightest? What would one be woke to, if one believed that?

This is, I think, projection. You fear and hate women, gays, and all other races than your own, so you hysterically imagine we must all fear and hate you in the same way and call that Woke. Right? This is, however, an irrational fear.

Sigh.

Everyone who doesn't toe the Woke line must be a bigot.

I can't help but believe you're arguing in bad faith with any of this. The alternative is that you utterly refuse to engage in any sort of introspection, which is eerily similar to the Democratic Party.

Control of Congress?
The White House?
A 6-3 conservative majority on SCOTUS?

Maybe you should ask yourself how things got this way and the role your ideology played in it. Certainly, people who voted for Trumpco are primarily to blame, but people who think that someone like that clown Mamdani represents the average American can take a seat right next to Trumpers in order to get their rightful serving of blame.

Thanks so much for that.

P.S. if you aren't aware of what Woke ideology is, I'd be happy to give you numerous examples.

 

[Politesse]

Everyone who doesn't toe the Woke line must be a bigot.

Are you new here? Derek posts little on this forum except about black thugs, lying women, politicians "submitting voluntarily" to Islam, and the ever-present dangers of Wokeness, an ideology he cannot actually define but knows is the enemy of everything he holds dear. Which he also can't define, because he seems to hate nearly everything about this country as it has actually existed since the passage of the 14th, and most of the people who live here.

Maybe you should ask yourself how things got this way and the role your ideology played in it.

Fascism and its many cousins have always been a popular ideology among a certain set, and I see no evidence from history whatsoever that giving into it makes it any less so. It thrives because feeding paranoia and conspiracies is a cheap and easy way to garner political support from those who have a class advantage over many others but are financially exploited and have few hopes for the future.

Suppose we concede. Throw the transgendered population into their clutches, let them jail and torture any transgender kid they can find, no holds barred. Do you really think that will stop them? That they will be mollified, not afraid of gender ideology anymore? That they won't just go seeking their next target?

What about immigrants? Suppose we coat all of our borders in hundred foot walls and electricified razor wire, execute anyonewe find in the street without papers. Will it be enough? Will Derek feel safe at night? What about in the day? When he sees Mexicans or Afghanis on the street will he go "Oh, that's alright, they probably have proper paperwork!" and never worry about aliens ever again?

Maybe you should ask yourself how things got this way and the role your ideology played in it.

Oh, I assure you, no one on the right cares one way or the next what a gay Californian with a graduate degree thinks on any topic whatsoever. I don't think any conservative has ever asked me what I believe on any topic, let alone listened to my response if they did.

If you don't believe me, ask Tswizzle what my political ideology actually is. It ought to be easy, I've known him for more than a decade now and we converse often. This thread alone has been running for more than two years and I am a frequent contributor. See if he can tell you anything about my political beliefs that actually came from something I wrote about them. 82 pages of this thread and he cannot do it; the best you'll get is the exact same stereotypes Fox news trumpets about any given "liberal". Go ahead! Ask him what I think about Gavin Newsom's performance as governor and his policies toward the homeless, for instance. He still has no idea, despite many, many attempts at clarification over the years.

 

[Tigers!]

I don't think any conservative has ever asked me what I believe on any topic, let alone listened to my response if they did.

As a Christian in Australia I notice the exact same thing myself but with the roles reversed.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yes, I can see people being pissed off at those who see them as "oppressors" simply because they committed the unpardonable sin of being born white, male and straight. This is the cornerstone of intersectional "woke" ideology.

If there were such a thing as a "Woke ideology", that wouldn't be it. How is that "woke" in the slightest? What would one be woke to, if one believed that?

This is, I think, projection. You fear and hate women, gays, and all other races than your own, so you hysterically imagine we must all fear and hate you in the same way and call that Woke. Right? This is, however, an irrational fear.

Sigh.

Everyone who doesn't toe the Woke line must be a bigot.

What is the "Woke Line"?

I can't help but believe you're arguing in bad faith with any of this. The alternative is that you utterly refuse to engage in any sort of introspection, which is eerily similar to the Democratic Party.

Control of Congress?
The White House?
A 6-3 conservative majority on SCOTUS?

Maybe you should ask yourself how things got this way and the role your ideology played in it.

The Virginia Governor race was won in large part because of CRT... ie a fake a issue.

Right-wingers are all up in arms trying to prevent transgenders from competing in women's sports, something that is near non-existent.

P.S. if you aren't aware of what Woke ideology is, I'd be happy to give you numerous examples.

I'm curious. Right now, Trump is responsible for the upcoming global recession. I want to hear about how "Woke Ideology" is responsible, instead of inflation driven by the pandemic and pandemic relief and across the board wage hikes... and about half of the voters looking the other way over that whole January 6th thing.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Maybe Eric Swalwell is the single unluckiest person in the world?

Live by the witchhunt, die by the witchhunt.

I like how people like thebeave, Derec, and TSwizzle think rape is a serious charge and Swalwell is entitled to due process... but simultaneously that this is a "witchhunt". Which implies they don't believe the accusations are real at all, from the start, going from Swalwell is innocent until proven guilty to the Swalwell accusers are lying. Which oddly enough, perjury is also a crime, but the women aren't entitled to being innocent until proven guilty as well.