Bernie Can't Win

[untermensche]

Peaches thinks the media is severely understating Bernie's electability.

Who do you think the corporate media is backing?

The bought and sold Hillary?

Or Bernie who will try to reign in the power of corporations?

 

[repoman]

Peaches thinks the media is severely understating Bernie's electability.

Who do you think the corporate media is backing?

The bought and sold Hillary?

Or Bernie who will try to reign in the power of corporations?

Bernie better not talk about media mergers or he will be "Dean Screamed".

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Peaches thinks the media is severely understating Bernie's electability.

Who do you think the corporate media is backing?

The bought and sold Hillary?

Or Bernie who will try to reign in the power of corporations?

You still seem to be missing how America votes. They are easily swayed by BS and the further left a policy idea is, the easier it is to BS it. Therefore America hates socialism, while at the exact same time loves Social Security and Medicare. 30 years of propaganda radio and advertising pays off.

 

[untermensche]

Who do you think the corporate media is backing?

The bought and sold Hillary?

Or Bernie who will try to reign in the power of corporations?

You still seem to be missing how America votes. They are easily swayed by BS and the further left a policy idea is, the easier it is to BS it. Therefore America hates socialism, while at the exact same time loves Social Security and Medicare. 30 years of propaganda radio and advertising pays off.

America is not some entity that hates or likes anything.

Individuals can be persuaded by all kinds of things.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

You still seem to be missing how America votes. They are easily swayed by BS and the further left a policy idea is, the easier it is to BS it. Therefore America hates socialism, while at the exact same time loves Social Security and Medicare. 30 years of propaganda radio and advertising pays off.

America is not some entity that hates or likes anything.

Individuals can be persuaded by all kinds of things.

Not according to political sociology where they have pretty much made a science of political advertising, though this year has certainly been an outlier for the Republicans.

Trump: And you know Rubio, tiny penis. *finger gesture*
Crowd: Applause.
Trump: Me... mine is 20 feet. But I'm not bragging.
Crowd: Rowdy applause.
Trump: The Doctors can't explain it. I'm just that big.
Crowd: Rowdy applause.
Trump: You know, I'm so popular I bet half of the men in this room would love to suck my... well, my Trumpet.
Crowd: Roof pops off level applause.
Trump: *While undoing belt* Yeah, I'm great, aren't I.

Next day, polls up 4 pts.

 

[untermensche]

America is not some entity that hates or likes anything.

Individuals can be persuaded by all kinds of things.

Not according to political sociology where they have pretty much made a science of political advertising, though this year has certainly been an outlier for the Republicans.

Trump: And you know Rubio, tiny penis. *finger gesture*
Crowd: Applause.
Trump: Me... mine is 20 feet. But I'm not bragging.
Crowd: Rowdy applause.
Trump: The Doctors can't explain it. I'm just that big.
Crowd: Rowdy applause.
Trump: You know, I'm so popular I bet half of the men in this room would love to suck my... well, my Trumpet.
Crowd: Roof pops off level applause.
Trump: *While undoing belt* Yeah, I'm great, aren't I.

Next day, polls up 4 pts.

This is not an argument of any kind.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Not according to political sociology where they have pretty much made a science of political advertising, though this year has certainly been an outlier for the Republicans.

Trump: And you know Rubio, tiny penis. *finger gesture*
Crowd: Applause.
Trump: Me... mine is 20 feet. But I'm not bragging.
Crowd: Rowdy applause.
Trump: The Doctors can't explain it. I'm just that big.
Crowd: Rowdy applause.
Trump: You know, I'm so popular I bet half of the men in this room would love to suck my... well, my Trumpet.
Crowd: Roof pops off level applause.
Trump: *While undoing belt* Yeah, I'm great, aren't I.

Next day, polls up 4 pts.

This is not an argument of any kind.

The argument is that people who work campaigns have a very good idea as to how any particular event or phrase will have what affect in the polls. You can feel free to say this isn't true, but you really need to be out of touch to not understand the science of running a political campaign.

This is how Clinton runs her show. Never sticking the neck out, just playing the right cards at the right time. You can say individuals can be persuaded, but this is about politics and politics can make people stupid, easily swayed, led astray. How else do you explain '10.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

I'm so sick of this bullshit "free lunch" retort. Nothing is free. Free health care isn't free. I'm not asking for "free health care". I want Universal Health Care which means little out of pocket, but still paid for by my fucking taxes, which would likely be shifted from all that money I pay in health care premiums to a UHC tax instead. And we are already paying for the health care for the elderly, disabled, and poor.

Free college? It isn't free. It costs money to the economy. The question is, does the economy work better under A or B (or is there little difference)?:

A) College grad putting more money into economy because of no loans v Marginally higher taxes for general population to pay for their college

B) College grad puts less money into economy because they are giving it to banks to pay back loans v Lower taxes for general population because of no "free" college

I feel you on the whole FREE LUNCH thing. "Services free at the point of delivery" is more accurate and it shuts down argument about people getting something for nothing (an argument you don't hear when speaking about fund managers and brokers who really do get money for nothing and their checks for free.)

- - - Updated - - -

Sat night Clinton crushed Sanders by 50 points in south Carolina democratic primary. With super Tuesday coming soon Clinton way ahead in delegates.

This is not good news.

Glad to see you are starting to see what we all saw quite a while ago. Sanders has done much better than ever expected, but he was never going to win the nomination.

But he has already won the war. Like Goldwater did in 1964. And I don't think you will have to wait for 16 years to see the fruits of that victory.

 

[untermensche]

This is not an argument of any kind.

The argument is that people who work campaigns have a very good idea as to how any particular event or phrase will have what affect in the polls.

They don't know anything.

They are wrong all the time and campaigns die in flames.

Hillary is there because a few billionaires are backing her.

Not because her message is so clever.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

The argument is that people who work campaigns have a very good idea as to how any particular event or phrase will have what affect in the polls.

They don't know anything.

Yes, just like how you knew Sanders was going to kill in New Hampshire and that'd be the difference maker and everyone else was wrong about South Carolina and the remaining primary season?

They are wrong all the time and campaigns die in flames.

Hillary is there because a few billionaires are backing her.

Not because her message is so clever.

Her message isn't clever, she doesn't even have a message. But she has gotten a plurality of the vote in most of the primaries / caucuses to date and after today, she'll be the presumptive nominee. I'm hoping that Sanders can pick off at least three states to extend his run. He needs to get this party back a bit to the center.

But fact remains, you haven't called this primary season too well. Sanders hasn't been able to do what Obama did and release Clinton's lock hold on the minority vote. This seemed predictable.

 

[untermensche]

They don't know anything.

Yes, just like how you knew Sanders was going to kill in New Hampshire and that'd be the difference maker and everyone else was wrong about South Carolina and the remaining primary season?

You're confusing two things. Polling and the ability to influence polling.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yes, just like how you knew Sanders was going to kill in New Hampshire and that'd be the difference maker and everyone else was wrong about South Carolina and the remaining primary season?

You're confusing two things. Polling and the ability to influence polling.

So the reason Sanders lost in South Carolina wasn't because he wasn't able to convince the black vote that he was their man, but because Clinton's backers influence the polls, and therefore blacks overwhelmingly went Clinton because everyone else was doing it.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Not according to political sociology where they have pretty much made a science of political advertising, though this year has certainly been an outlier for the Republicans.

Trump: And you know Rubio, tiny penis. *finger gesture*
Crowd: Applause.
Trump: Me... mine is 20 feet. But I'm not bragging.
Crowd: Rowdy applause.
Trump: The Doctors can't explain it. I'm just that big.
Crowd: Rowdy applause.
Trump: You know, I'm so popular I bet half of the men in this room would love to suck my... well, my Trumpet.
Crowd: Roof pops off level applause.
Trump: *While undoing belt* Yeah, I'm great, aren't I.

Next day, polls up 4 pts.

This is not an argument of any kind.

Trump does not really present many arguments actually. Its all bluster, bullying, rants and braggadacio. And for Trump, its working.

 

[untermensche]

You're confusing two things. Polling and the ability to influence polling.

So the reason Sanders lost in South Carolina wasn't because he wasn't able to convince the black vote that he was their man, but because Clinton's backers influence the polls, and therefore blacks overwhelmingly went Clinton because everyone else was doing it.

Bernie was unable to influence the polls?



Hillary just started with too big a lead to overcome.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So the reason Sanders lost in South Carolina wasn't because he wasn't able to convince the black vote that he was their man, but because Clinton's backers influence the polls, and therefore blacks overwhelmingly went Clinton because everyone else was doing it.

Bernie was unable to influence the polls?

You said it, not me.

"You're confusing two things. Polling and the ability to influence polling."

Hillary just started with too big a lead to overcome.

But you seemed pretty certain that New Hampshire was the beginning of the end for Clinton.

 

[untermensche]

Bernie was unable to influence the polls?

You said it, not me.

I can show you things but can't make you see them.

Bernie greatly influenced the polls while Hillary's support slowly declined.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I see Hillary going from 70% to 60% in the poll and winning 73.6% of the vote. I fail to see that being anything but a strong victory.

 

[untermensche]

I see Hillary going from 70% to 60% in the poll and winning 73.6% of the vote. I fail to see that being anything but a strong victory.

That is another issue.

In terms of influencing the polls Bernie did a great job.

When Hillary was at 70% Bernie was at about 18.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I see Hillary going from 70% to 60% in the poll and winning 73.6% of the vote. I fail to see that being anything but a strong victory.

That is another issue.

In terms of influencing the polls Bernie did a great job.

When Hillary was at 70% Bernie was at about 18.

Clinton started with 70%, ended with 73.6% / Sanders started with 18%, finished with 26%.

Dude, you are in denial. South Carolina was a lost cause. And now Sanders is 'struggling' to get a lead in the most liberal states, Minnesota and Massachusetts. If he can't do it there, where can he? New Hampshire and Vermont don't count. Sanders is doing much better than ever expected, but he isn't coming anywhere close to winning this nomination.

 

[untermensche]

That is another issue.

In terms of influencing the polls Bernie did a great job.

When Hillary was at 70% Bernie was at about 18.

Clinton started with 70%, ended with 73.6% / Sanders started with 18%, finished with 26%.

Dude, you are in denial. South Carolina was a lost cause. And now Sanders is 'struggling' to get a lead in the most liberal states, Minnesota and Massachusetts. If he can't do it there, where can he? New Hampshire and Vermont don't count. Sanders is doing much better than ever expected, but he isn't coming anywhere close to winning this nomination.

I really don't know what point you're trying to make.

When people heard Bernie's message many were influenced.

Hillary's message didn't influence anybody.