Las Vegas Attack - Guard Shooting Timeline

[Jimmy Higgins]

I don't like looking or sounding like a conspiracy theorist, but there has been something bothering me about the guard that was shot in Las Vegas. Granted, it is crazy talk to suggest a conspiracy between himself and the shooter, as if there is evidence of a relationship, it would come out.

And now the Las Vegas police have dramatically changed the timeline and it seems odd.

Police have dramatically changed their account of how the Las Vegas massacre began on Oct. 1, revealing Monday that the gunman shot a hotel security guard six minutes before opening fire on a country music concert — raising new questions about why police weren’t able to pinpoint the gunman’s location sooner.

Now, granted, if the guard reported prior to the attack he was shot, that likely clears him of any crazy talk, but the question starts being asked, why was a security guard shot in a Las Vegas hotel not responded to with any sort of interest. This is likely reported before the massacre happens. And if that is called in... and then a massacre is called in, could be a coincidence, but it'd make sense to get on that! I do believe they did figure out the location about 15 or 20 minutes into the shooting, but shouldn't it have been quicker. And it was already over by the time they did figure it out. And it'd take another hour or so to get SWAT up to the room.

And then there is the whole, why doesn't the crazy guy kill the guard?! Yes, crazy, not thinking too clearly, but the evidence seems to suggest he was quite lucid.

 

[Horatio Parker]

What I'm curious about is why the guard went to Paddock's room at all. The stories I've seen don't say.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

What I'm curious about is why the guard went to Paddock's room at all. The stories I've seen don't say.

He probably just needed to borrow a rifle or something. The guy had about a dozen of them.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What I'm curious about is why the guard went to Paddock's room at all. The stories I've seen don't say.

They say he was investigating a door alarm on the floor.

 

[sharon45]

I thought there was mention of a checking up on the room's smoke alarm going off, because of his shooting.

 

[untermensche]

He shot at people across the street from up on the 32nd floor. No way to know where the shots were coming from on the ground.

The people were so close together he could not miss.

The guard apparently was checking on a door on that hall that was not fully closed.

Once the shooting started into the crowd you have chaos. Insane chaos that few have ever experienced.

The police suddenly become overwhelmed with people calling them. Information overload.

They did eventually get up to his room. That is why he killed himself.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Paddock was a high-stakes gambler with comp'ed room and gambled a million dollars a night. If he shot a security guard or some other peon because of high-anxiety when they scared him, the casino would be quick to try to cover it up.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

He shot at people across the street from up on the 32nd floor. No way to know where the shots were coming from on the ground.

The people were so close together he could not miss.

The guard apparently was checking on a door on that hall that was not fully closed.

Once the shooting started into the crowd you have chaos. Insane chaos that few have ever experienced.

The police suddenly become overwhelmed with people calling them. Information overload.

They did eventually get up to his room. That is why he killed himself.

There are a lot of ellipses in there. The guard is shot 6 minutes before the massacre starts. That should have been called in to the police and one and one is put together, at least, it sure the heck is worth a gamble at assuming he is the same shooter.

The guard's presence is odd. That he was shot once (from 200 bullets fired through the door), not killed by a guy about to go bonkers is odd. That he is celebrated as a hero for interrupting the shooting when he apparently knew he didn't, is odd. 200 bullets and that doesn't get immediately placed to the police?

 

[blastula]

If he was still on the floor when the mass shooting started, you would think the guard would have reported where the shooter was right away, but they had to triangulate the location.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

If he was still on the floor when the mass shooting started, you would think the guard would have reported where the shooter was right away, but they had to triangulate the location.

I'd assume the guard, after having 200 bullets sprayed towards him, would have immediately reported the shooting... and his boss would be like "%*#) Fucking Shit!" I'm going to wait a few minutes and then call the cops.

The question becomes, did the guard's story change? Is something not adding up? Was Alderan really blown up by the Empire?

 

[coloradoatheist]

It's very weird because the cops were on the floor and knew the room by 20 minutes after the shooter started but it took them almost an hour to go in the room. Doesn't make sense.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

It's very weird because the cops were on the floor and knew the room by 20 minutes after the shooter started but it took them almost an hour to go in the room. Doesn't make sense.

Well, the shooter had stopped shooting by the time they said they knew where he was. Also, while the cops were on-site, SWAT wasn't (presumably). They also likely probably wanted to clear the floor (if possible).

The question is, why don't the cops know he is at that hotel on that floor, after the 200 or so bullets flew through the door? Or was it too hard to connect to the cops because an overlap occurred with the massacre. But still:

Guard: Hey, boss... got shot at two hundred times, and he hit me.
Boss: Did you say two hundred times?
Guard: Yes, two hundred times.
Boss: How can you be sure?
Guard: Lots of smoke, it was loud, and the door looks more like a window now, and my leg hurts like hell!
Boss: Yeah, but how do you know it was 200 bullets and not like 190?
Guard: What?!
Boss: Well, you said 200 times, and that sounds suspiciously rounded to me.
Guard: The guy tried to kill me! I'm bleeding here.
Boss: Yes, but when I call 911, I want to have a better idea on the total number of times you were shot at.
Guard: I can't feel my foot, I don't know if I can try and get away.
Boss: I'll let the 911 operator know that. Just try and count the number of bullets you see, so we can get a better idea as to the number of times the person shot the bullets.
Guard: *unintelligible*
Boss: Hold on, I have a call on the other line...

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Hanlon's Razor, Jimmy. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

9:59 p.m.: Hotel security guard is shot by Paddock on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.

10:05 p.m.: First shots fired on music festival. This was seen on closed-circuit television from the concert venue.

10:12 p.m.: First two officers arrive on the 31st floor and announce that the gunfire is coming from directly above them.

10:15 p.m.: The last shots are fired by Paddock.

10:17 p.m.: The first two officers arrive on the 32nd floor.

10:18 p.m.: Security officer tells police he was shot and gives location of the gunman’s room.

10:26-10:30 p.m.: Eight additional officers arrive on the 32nd floor and begin to move down the hallway, clearing every room and looking for any injured people. They no longer hear gunfire.

10:55 p.m.: Eight officers arrive in the stairwell at the opposite end of the hallway nearest to Paddock’s room.

11:20 p.m.: Officers enter the room. They see Paddock on the ground and a second door that could not be accessed from their position.

11:27 p.m.: A second breach is set off, allowing officers to enter the second room. Officers quickly realize there is no one else in the rooms and announce over the radio that the suspect is down.

At issue is that a series of events occurred showing possible malice or collusion but that incompetence can also explain them. I wrote a possible scenario here, but maybe I was wrong and I have deleted it. Is it absolutely clear that the guard never said anything until 10:18 even over a radio?

 

[untermensche]

There are a lot of ellipses in there. The guard is shot 6 minutes before the massacre starts. That should have been called in to the police and one and one is put together, at least, it sure the heck is worth a gamble at assuming he is the same shooter.

The guard's presence is odd. That he was shot once (from 200 bullets fired through the door), not killed by a guy about to go bonkers is odd. That he is celebrated as a hero for interrupting the shooting when he apparently knew he didn't, is odd. 200 bullets and that doesn't get immediately placed to the police?

How many people are up in the rooms of that hotel?

Hundreds of rounds are fired. How many calls did the police get over that? How easy was it to pinpoint the shooter before the shooting at the crowd started?

The guard's presence is coincidental but him being anywhere in that hotel is not odd.

The guard not being killed has less to do with the number of rounds and more to do with where they were aimed.

It looks like overkill and panic.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Hanlon's Razor, Jimmy. "Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."

Oh sure. I admit it is CT'ish and I'm not comfortable being CT'ish, only that the coincidences with the guard are 'odd'.

9:59 p.m.: Hotel security guard is shot by Paddock on the 32nd floor of the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.

10:05 p.m.: First shots fired on music festival. This was seen on closed-circuit television from the concert venue.

10:12 p.m.: First two officers arrive on the 31st floor and announce that the gunfire is coming from directly above them.

10:15 p.m.: The last shots are fired by Paddock.

10:17 p.m.: The first two officers arrive on the 32nd floor.

10:18 p.m.: Security officer tells police he was shot and gives location of the gunman’s room.

10:26-10:30 p.m.: Eight additional officers arrive on the 32nd floor and begin to move down the hallway, clearing every room and looking for any injured people. They no longer hear gunfire.

10:55 p.m.: Eight officers arrive in the stairwell at the opposite end of the hallway nearest to Paddock’s room.

11:20 p.m.: Officers enter the room. They see Paddock on the ground and a second door that could not be accessed from their position.

11:27 p.m.: A second breach is set off, allowing officers to enter the second room. Officers quickly realize there is no one else in the rooms and announce over the radio that the suspect is down.

At issue is that a series of events occurred showing possible malice or collusion but that incompetence can also explain them. This is a big hotel no doubt with many staircases and slow elevators. There is probably no 13th floor either. Guy gets shot at 9:59pm. Why does it take other two officers until 10:18pm? Well, the first two officers appear to have gone to the wrong floor at 10:12 but they had probably searched that floor for a couple of minutes at least, perhaps, they arrived on the floor at 10:10pm or earlier. Also, between 10:05pm and 10:10pm there was probably mass mansteria in the hotel because the shooter started shooting at 10:05pm. So imagine people running in the halls like lunatics, deciding whether to run and hide in place in rooms or run down staircases and take elevators. Trying to get anywhere quickly would be a big problem. So that leaves what happened between 9:59pm and 10:05pm. The security officer who was shot could have called it in at 10:00pm--the timeline doesn't say he didn't--the author of the timeline could be an idiot not to put that in. Or the shooter could have had a gun on him between 9:59pm and 10:05pm, who knows, and the shooter could have apologized saying he shot him by mistake in alleged self-defense. Paddock could have also offered him a million not to say anything for his "mistake," while the security guy could have no knowledge about what would transpire minutes later. But even IF the security guard did contact the security office on the first floor at 10:00pm, it could conceivably take 5 minutes to get to the 31st floor (wrong floor) because someone said the wrong floor# or counted flights of stairs wrongly or something. There is just as much room for errors, mistakes, and honest omissions as there are conspiracy explanations.

That can work. What then becomes odd is that there is no mention of getting a report of a down'd security guard. We'll likely get answers to explain this, but it just seems odd that the shooter would shot 200ish bullets, but not make certain he killed the guard. I'm assuming he was hit by a ricochet bullet, explaining why he only has a single gunshot wound.

 

[coloradoatheist]

It's very weird because the cops were on the floor and knew the room by 20 minutes after the shooter started but it took them almost an hour to go in the room. Doesn't make sense.

Well, the shooter had stopped shooting by the time they said they knew where he was. Also, while the cops were on-site, SWAT wasn't (presumably). They also likely probably wanted to clear the floor (if possible).

The question is, why don't the cops know he is at that hotel on that floor, after the 200 or so bullets flew through the door? Or was it too hard to connect to the cops because an overlap occurred with the massacre. But still:

Guard: Hey, boss... got shot at two hundred times, and he hit me.
Boss: Did you say two hundred times?
Guard: Yes, two hundred times.
Boss: How can you be sure?
Guard: Lots of smoke, it was loud, and the door looks more like a window now, and my leg hurts like hell!
Boss: Yeah, but how do you know it was 200 bullets and not like 190?
Guard: What?!
Boss: Well, you said 200 times, and that sounds suspiciously rounded to me.
Guard: The guy tried to kill me! I'm bleeding here.
Boss: Yes, but when I call 911, I want to have a better idea on the total number of times you were shot at.
Guard: I can't feel my foot, I don't know if I can try and get away.
Boss: I'll let the 911 operator know that. Just try and count the number of bullets you see, so we can get a better idea as to the number of times the person shot the bullets.
Guard: *unintelligible*
Boss: Hold on, I have a call on the other line...

I agree with you. They say they cleared the hall at 10:30 and then they only entered the room at 11:20. That's 55 minutes later. I didn't read the story of how many times the guard thought he was shot at. Being missed by 199 bullets is like True Lies type stuff.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Him being there and shot just once is what bothers me.

I'm just channeling the Charles Stuart murder through my mind, probably.

 

[untermensche]

...There is just as much room for errors, mistakes, and honest omissions as there are conspiracy explanations.

No room for conspiracy on so many things. But that doesn't matter.

This is massive evidence of the insanity of allowing people to have semi-automatic military rifles.

There are vested interests in setting up a smoke screen.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

...There is just as much room for errors, mistakes, and honest omissions as there are conspiracy explanations.

No room for conspiracy on so many things. But that doesn't matter.

This is massive evidence of the insanity of allowing people to have semi-automatic military rifles.

There are vested interests in setting up a smoke screen.

A conspiracy of two people trying to kill people with retrofitted semi-automatic weapons doesn't exactly take much heat off of guns.

 

[untermensche]

No room for conspiracy on so many things. But that doesn't matter.

This is massive evidence of the insanity of allowing people to have semi-automatic military rifles.

There are vested interests in setting up a smoke screen.

A conspiracy of two people trying to kill people with retrofitted semi-automatic weapons doesn't exactly take much heat off of guns.

Smoke screen. Diversion. Hand waving. Flag waving.

None of it makes sense.

It is all based on money and vested interests.