June Election UK. Which Party do you think should win the election

[bilby]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/04/hung-parliament-can-halt-brexit-disaster

For anyone who cares about prospective damage from Brexit, an ideal result on Thursday would be a hung parliament in which neither main party could form a government without embarking on a coalition with the Lib Dems and SNP – a condition of whose cooperation would be to think again on Brexit.

 

[Philos]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/04/hung-parliament-can-halt-brexit-disaster

For anyone who cares about prospective damage from Brexit, an ideal result on Thursday would be a hung parliament in which neither main party could form a government without embarking on a coalition with the Lib Dems and SNP – a condition of whose cooperation would be to think again on Brexit.

bil,

I'll buy that.

A.

 

[whichphilosophy]

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jun/04/hung-parliament-can-halt-brexit-disaster

For anyone who cares about prospective damage from Brexit, an ideal result on Thursday would be a hung parliament in which neither main party could form a government without embarking on a coalition with the Lib Dems and SNP – a condition of whose cooperation would be to think again on Brexit.

Why not throw in the Green Party as well. If it has the most seats, the Tory party will be bad enough on its own without enjoying this with the Lib Dems and SNP.

 

[iolo]

What conceivable benefit could all 27 European countries get from letting the UK get any from leaving? Unless May can offer individual bribes, I suppose, but that would cost quite a bit.

The EU trades with non members also and there doesn't seem to be a problem. I would recommend that the UK invites migrants from the EU and other countries but also, like Hong Kong passes laws that foreign workers are not paid less than British workers.

It trades with them when there is advantage in so doing, usually imposing large tariffs to ensure that its own members all benefit. You think they are going to offer the UK prizes to encourage others to leave? Think on!

 

[whichphilosophy]

The EU trades with non members also and there doesn't seem to be a problem. I would recommend that the UK invites migrants from the EU and other countries but also, like Hong Kong passes laws that foreign workers are not paid less than British workers.

It trades with them when there is advantage in so doing, usually imposing large tariffs to ensure that its own members all benefit. You think they are going to offer the UK prizes to encourage others to leave? Think on!

There are other markets of course and since the UK buys more from the EU than it sells to it, there would logically be sense. Don't worry however, if Teresa May wins the election and is in power for 8 years, she won't do much if anything and it will be as if we are in the EU

 

[bilby]

It trades with them when there is advantage in so doing, usually imposing large tariffs to ensure that its own members all benefit. You think they are going to offer the UK prizes to encourage others to leave? Think on!

There are other markets of course and since the UK buys more from the EU than it sells to it, there would logically be sense. Don't worry however, if Teresa May wins the election and is in power for 8 years, she won't do much if anything and it will be as if we are in the EU

No, if nothing gets done by the deadline of two years from the activation of Article 50 (ie March 29th, 2019), then the terms of trade between Britain and any nation (or bloc) with which she has not yet concluded a new treaty (or treaties) revert to the standard WTO conditions, under which most goods are subject to high tariffs.

Your hopeless optimism that this cannot possibly be allowed doesn't have any actual force in law - that is what will happen, because that is what international law says will happen.

It will be a huge disaster for Britain, and the EU has every reason to want it to be, pour encourager les autres.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/03/britain-being-led-to-epic-act-self-harm-brexit

 

[whichphilosophy]

There are other markets of course and since the UK buys more from the EU than it sells to it, there would logically be sense. Don't worry however, if Teresa May wins the election and is in power for 8 years, she won't do much if anything and it will be as if we are in the EU

No, if nothing gets done by the deadline of two years from the activation of Article 50 (ie March 29th, 2019), then the terms of trade between Britain and any nation (or bloc) with which she has not yet concluded a new treaty (or treaties) revert to the standard WTO conditions, under which most goods are subject to high tariffs.

Your hopeless optimism that this cannot possibly be allowed doesn't have any actual force in law - that is what will happen, because that is what international law says will happen.

It will be a huge disaster for Britain, and the EU has every reason to want it to be, pour encourager les autres.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/03/britain-being-led-to-epic-act-self-harm-brexit

The parties know that if they don't resolve this in a proper fashion it will affect the EU and UK
It will not take 2 years because of the complexity of some of the issues such as people working in the UK from Europe and vica versa.

The Guardian scaremongering will not make much of a difference. We saw this during the Brexit referendum

 

[bilby]

No, if nothing gets done by the deadline of two years from the activation of Article 50 (ie March 29th, 2019), then the terms of trade between Britain and any nation (or bloc) with which she has not yet concluded a new treaty (or treaties) revert to the standard WTO conditions, under which most goods are subject to high tariffs.

Your hopeless optimism that this cannot possibly be allowed doesn't have any actual force in law - that is what will happen, because that is what international law says will happen.

It will be a huge disaster for Britain, and the EU has every reason to want it to be, pour encourager les autres.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/jun/03/britain-being-led-to-epic-act-self-harm-brexit

The parties know that if they don't resolve this in a proper fashion it will affect the EU and UK
It will not take 2 years because of the complexity of some of the issues such as people working in the UK from Europe and vica versa.

The Guardian scaremongering will not make much of a difference. We saw this during the Brexit referendum

The parties do know that it will harm the UK; but there would be no net harm to the EU - a disaster for Britain is a positive result for the EU, as it will help to discourage any further nations from leaving. The EU can do just fine without British trade, but the reverse is not true.

The rules say that it will take two years; so that's how long it must take. Of course that's not enough time; but that's just tough luck for Britain - they knew the rules before they accepted them by triggering Article 50, and now they have to play by them.

And so far, all of the 'scaremongering' by the Guardian has proven remarkably accurate.

Your mindless optimism won't effect reality - on March 30th, 2019, new international trade rules will apply to Britain, and any nation or bloc with whom a new agreement hasn't been finalised at that date will trade in accordance with the standard WTO tariff structure.

Enjoy your food rationing, soaring prices, and unemployment.

 

[blastula]

Folks,

Election day comes closer. Mr Corbyn has put up a surprisingly good fight, but it will not be enough IMHO. The best we can hope for is a hung parliament, or failing that a much weakened Tory majority.

In my part of the world there are a lot of Lib Dem garden signs, some Labour and no Conservative. That's nice to see, but no real guide to the result. Its all to play for.

A.

But what's Corbyn's position on serving Americanos?

 

[whichphilosophy]

The parties know that if they don't resolve this in a proper fashion it will affect the EU and UK
It will not take 2 years because of the complexity of some of the issues such as people working in the UK from Europe and vica versa.

The Guardian scaremongering will not make much of a difference. We saw this during the Brexit referendum

The parties do know that it will harm the UK; but there would be no net harm to the EU - a disaster for Britain is a positive result for the EU, as it will help to discourage any further nations from leaving. The EU can do just fine without British trade, but the reverse is not true.

The rules say that it will take two years; so that's how long it must take. Of course that's not enough time; but that's just tough luck for Britain - they knew the rules before they accepted them by triggering Article 50, and now they have to play by them.

And so far, all of the 'scaremongering' by the Guardian has proven remarkably accurate.

Your mindless optimism won't effect reality - on March 30th, 2019, new international trade rules will apply to Britain, and any nation or bloc with whom a new agreement hasn't been finalised at that date will trade in accordance with the standard WTO tariff structure.

Enjoy your food rationing, soaring prices, and unemployment.

The EU depends more on the UK than the UK depends on it. This is in terms of trade and the flow of workers.

Eu countries are experiencing problems including financial institutions going bankrupt, Italy, Spain, Portugal, and Eire. They already have unemployment which is guised as zero contracts. Added to this, in the UK I notice a huge influx of people who only have one part time job.

See Italy's banking crisis
https://www.forbes.com/forbes/welco...ogle.co.uk/&referrer=https://www.google.co.uk

The death of Italian banks has been a call now for the past year at least. Many bank stocks are simply getting crushed. It's like an emerging market over there. Carige is down 22.8% this year; UniCredit is down 49.3% and Intesa San Paulo looks downright Olympian at -0.99% for the year.



Lloyds, the Royal Bank of Scotland and the Cooperative banks which ran profitably for hundreds of years have gotten into financial difficulties. Another old institution, the Midland Bank went in the red and was taken over by the HSBC

in 2015 as I quoted previously the Builders Federation advised Britain is 1,000,000 houses short. Given that our immigration rose since joining the Common Market, then the EU from around 30,000 per year to 650,000 per year (but 300,000 or so also leave) more people are packing into less houses..

In reality given that when I was a shop worker on low salary, one bedroom flats were affordable in some London areas. My own rent was 25% of the salary.

Single shop workers are lucky if they can get a single room in a shared house.

80% of young people today believe they will never own a house in their lifetime.

The Labour and Tory governments both pledged to build 200,000 houses per year but only built around over half of that.

The minimum wage seems to be misinterpreted as the maximum wage in some cases. More than ever I see office work, which was once reasonably paid hovering around £7.50.

The EU lives on borrowed time as debts and bank crises and bail outs continue.

 

[bilby]

The parties do know that it will harm the UK; but there would be no net harm to the EU - a disaster for Britain is a positive result for the EU, as it will help to discourage any further nations from leaving. The EU can do just fine without British trade, but the reverse is not true.

The rules say that it will take two years; so that's how long it must take. Of course that's not enough time; but that's just tough luck for Britain - they knew the rules before they accepted them by triggering Article 50, and now they have to play by them.

And so far, all of the 'scaremongering' by the Guardian has proven remarkably accurate.

Your mindless optimism won't effect reality - on March 30th, 2019, new international trade rules will apply to Britain, and any nation or bloc with whom a new agreement hasn't been finalised at that date will trade in accordance with the standard WTO tariff structure.

Enjoy your food rationing, soaring prices, and unemployment.

Eu countries experiencing the same including financial institutions going bankrupt, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Eire. They already have unemployment which is guised as zero contracts. Added to this, in the UK I notice a huge influx of people who only have one part time job.

Lloyds, the Royal Bank of Scotland and the Cooperative banks which ran profitably for hundreds of years have gotten into financial difficulties. Another old institution, the Midland Bank went in the red and was taken over by the HSBC

In 2015 as I quoted previously the Builders Federation advised Britain is 1,000,000 houses short. Given that our immigration rose since joining the Common Market, then the EU from around 30,000 per year to 650,000 per year (but 300,000 or so also leave) more people are packing into less houses..

In reality given that when I was a shop worker on low salary, one bedroom flats were affordable in some London areas. My own rent was 25% of the salary.

Single shop workers are lucky if the can get a single room in a shared house.

80% of young people today believe they will never own a house in their lifetime.

The Labour and Tory governments both pledged to build 200,000 houses per year but only built around over half of that.

The minimum wage seems to be misinterpreted as the maximum wage in some cases. More than ever I see office work, which was once reasonably paid hovering around £7.50

We have zero rated contracts affecting up to one million people (highest estimate) where there is no guarantee of work but it is provided as it comes along. This removes people off the unemployment bank.

Back street Pawn shops which almost disappeared in the 1980s, can now be found all over London and act as second hand shops mainly for electronics such as smartphones laptops, watches and jewels are displayed in the windows. They are no longer shady looking but have smart shop fronts.

There are often vacancies for door to door debt collectors or management executives to work from home. These are commission only jobs with high turnovers where earning the minimum wage is a luxury.

A British Plumber was once able to purchase a modest house in London. However, he is not able to complete against Polish or Latvian plumbers who are also skillful.

They are prepared to live 3 or 4 in a room. They are productive and work hard. However they can then build a home back in Poland. There is nothing wrong with that, but the effect of then when less money is spent in the UK economy per person various jobs such as home furnishings and restaurants will go.

At the same time most Migrants who came here are productive and should remain even after Brexit.

Before the UK joined the EU there were no problems with travel. This was simply a visa stamped upon entry.

Countries such as Norway, Iceland and even Turkey have an excellent status. Children of Turkish workers in the UK are entitled to free apprenticeship training.

By the way children of British parents who have worked abroad are not entitled to this unless they stay and work in the UK (or receive unemployment) for 3 years.

Affordable housing for lower paid workers and unemployed has all but dried up during the last 30 years.

The reality is we need to take in genuine refugees and a fluctuating amount of workers into the UK. However we simply don't have the room to pack in everyone.

We also need to reconsider the status of asylum seekers who upon gaining citizenship then go back home on holidays.

Even after leaving the EU, the laws, EU laws will remain in force for some years to come before they are modified.

Immigration will not go down after the UK leaves the EU, at least not in the short term.
This is because when Teresa May was home secretary and pledged to keep the level to manageable amounts more came in.

Britain is pledged to take in refugees and asylum seekers. This is not only because it has signed up to do so, but because they are mostly a direct result of poodling up to the US in that area.



When Britain first joined the common market, produce and dairy produce were the first items to go up in price. Lamb, butter, long life milk which came from Australia escalated to cover farming subsidies.

I also previously mentioned unfair competition where several companies received grants from the EU fund and used them to move British.

As I understand Britain purchases much more from Europe than it sells to Europe; we have a trade deficit.

The laws much change where Britons who go to certain war zones should make a special application. Those who don't should either be barred from entry or ideally interned while the background is investigated. However this needs to be properly worked out.

Migrants who try to enter by boats should be given to understand they will not be processed.

Debts for the UK and France are escalating as I have previously quoted.

That was an ASTONISHINGLY large number of words, particularly when we consider that not a single one of them addressed anything in my post that you quoted.

I'm almost impressed; I don't know if Guinness keep a world record for 'longest non-sequitur', but if Norris McWhirter and Roy Castle were still with us, doubtless they would be impressed with your dedication.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Eu countries experiencing the same including financial institutions going bankrupt, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Eire. They already have unemployment which is guised as zero contracts. Added to this, in the UK I notice a huge influx of people who only have one part time job.

Lloyds, the Royal Bank of Scotland and the Cooperative banks which ran profitably for hundreds of years have gotten into financial difficulties. Another old institution, the Midland Bank went in the red and was taken over by the HSBC

In 2015 as I quoted previously the Builders Federation advised Britain is 1,000,000 houses short. Given that our immigration rose since joining the Common Market, then the EU from around 30,000 per year to 650,000 per year (but 300,000 or so also leave) more people are packing into less houses..

In reality given that when I was a shop worker on low salary, one bedroom flats were affordable in some London areas. My own rent was 25% of the salary.

Single shop workers are lucky if the can get a single room in a shared house.

80% of young people today believe they will never own a house in their lifetime.

The Labour and Tory governments both pledged to build 200,000 houses per year but only built around over half of that.

The minimum wage seems to be misinterpreted as the maximum wage in some cases. More than ever I see office work, which was once reasonably paid hovering around £7.50

We have zero rated contracts affecting up to one million people (highest estimate) where there is no guarantee of work but it is provided as it comes along. This removes people off the unemployment bank.

Back street Pawn shops which almost disappeared in the 1980s, can now be found all over London and act as second hand shops mainly for electronics such as smartphones laptops, watches and jewels are displayed in the windows. They are no longer shady looking but have smart shop fronts.

There are often vacancies for door to door debt collectors or management executives to work from home. These are commission only jobs with high turnovers where earning the minimum wage is a luxury.

A British Plumber was once able to purchase a modest house in London. However, he is not able to complete against Polish or Latvian plumbers who are also skillful.

They are prepared to live 3 or 4 in a room. They are productive and work hard. However they can then build a home back in Poland. There is nothing wrong with that, but the effect of then when less money is spent in the UK economy per person various jobs such as home furnishings and restaurants will go.

At the same time most Migrants who came here are productive and should remain even after Brexit.

Before the UK joined the EU there were no problems with travel. This was simply a visa stamped upon entry.

Countries such as Norway, Iceland and even Turkey have an excellent status. Children of Turkish workers in the UK are entitled to free apprenticeship training.

By the way children of British parents who have worked abroad are not entitled to this unless they stay and work in the UK (or receive unemployment) for 3 years.

Affordable housing for lower paid workers and unemployed has all but dried up during the last 30 years.

The reality is we need to take in genuine refugees and a fluctuating amount of workers into the UK. However we simply don't have the room to pack in everyone.

We also need to reconsider the status of asylum seekers who upon gaining citizenship then go back home on holidays.

Even after leaving the EU, the laws, EU laws will remain in force for some years to come before they are modified.

Immigration will not go down after the UK leaves the EU, at least not in the short term.
This is because when Teresa May was home secretary and pledged to keep the level to manageable amounts more came in.

Britain is pledged to take in refugees and asylum seekers. This is not only because it has signed up to do so, but because they are mostly a direct result of poodling up to the US in that area.



When Britain first joined the common market, produce and dairy produce were the first items to go up in price. Lamb, butter, long life milk which came from Australia escalated to cover farming subsidies.

I also previously mentioned unfair competition where several companies received grants from the EU fund and used them to move British.

As I understand Britain purchases much more from Europe than it sells to Europe; we have a trade deficit.

The laws much change where Britons who go to certain war zones should make a special application. Those who don't should either be barred from entry or ideally interned while the background is investigated. However this needs to be properly worked out.

Migrants who try to enter by boats should be given to understand they will not be processed.

Debts for the UK and France are escalating as I have previously quoted.

That was an ASTONISHINGLY large number of words, particularly when we consider that not a single one of them addressed anything in my post that you quoted.

I'm almost impressed; I don't know if Guinness keep a world record for 'longest non-sequitur', but if Norris McWhirter and Roy Castle were still with us, doubtless they would be impressed with your dedication.

I'm addressing the real issues facing the UK at ground level which the Guardian conveniently overlooked thus making its article irrelevant.

 

[Philos]

Folks,

I will be voting Labour tomorrow. Thought of a tactical LD vote but then read some sh** that Nick Clegg was spouting. Feels better to vote my principles.

Alex.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Out of the 2 main parties, Tory and Labour, both are useless, where I put Labour as the lesser of the 2 evils.
Anyway I decided to vote Trump on my list who of course won't win.

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Folks,

I will be voting Labour tomorrow. Thought of a tactical LD vote but then read some sh** that Nick Clegg was spouting. Feels better to vote my principles.

Alex.

I slightly favour Labour over Tory, but Corbyn surprised nearly everyone starting as an outsider even in his own party and could very well win this election.

 

[Philos]

I slightly favour Labour over Tory, but Corbyn surprised nearly everyone starting as an outsider even in his own party and could very well win this election.

wp,

Yes, I'm one of those "nearly everyone".

Alex.

 

[whichphilosophy]

I slightly favour Labour over Tory, but Corbyn surprised nearly everyone starting as an outsider even in his own party and could very well win this election.

wp,

Yes, I'm one of those "nearly everyone".

Alex.

George Galloway supports him. He also did well as a left wing politician in the wilderness winning bi-elections. Perhaps if George was not booted out by Blair for being a socialist among other things, he could have been in the shadow cabinet. Who knows maybe he could have secured the leadership post.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Well I got my ballot. It's pretty weird that it was already filled out for the conservatives and for the referendum to join the Commonwealth of Independent States after Brexit, but what the hell, non-citizens haven't been able to vote in a British Election for a long time. Thanks for letting me have my opinion. Also, smart move postmarking it from Yakutsk. It's a lot shorter distance to send it than from Liverpool.

You Brits are great!

 

[whichphilosophy]

Well I got my ballot. It's pretty weird that it was already filled out for the conservatives and for the referendum to join the Commonwealth of Independent States after Brexit, but what the hell, non-citizens haven't been able to vote in a British Election for a long time. Thanks for letting me have my opinion. Also, smart move postmarking it from Yakutsk. It's a lot shorter distance to send it than from Liverpool.

You Brits are great!

I made a mistake when I dispatched those forms. It should have read UKIP, Brexit and deporting undocumented immigrants and terror suspects to the USA.

 

[iolo]

It is all decoration. Mr Murdoch and his chums rule, and the mugs always believe them in sufficient numbers to destroy the Country.

 

[Derec]

George Galloway supports him.

He is a radical who always takes the anti-Western side in a conflict and thinks Israel should be destroyed. He may or may not have secretly converted to Islam.
No wonder he supports a man who described himself as friend of Hamas and Hezbollah.

Perhaps if George was not booted out by Blair for being a socialist among other things,

"Other things" include support for anti-Western dictators and hostility to Israel.

he could have been in the shadow cabinet. Who knows maybe he could have secured the leadership post.

Isn't the current Corbynite shadow cabinet extremist enough? I mean, until recently it included a woman, Diane Abbott, who is an open anti-white racist and says that "every defeat of the British state is a victory for all of us". She was dropped for health reasons (and thus may be back) and not for her extremist views.
Who in their right mind would want George Fucking Galloway in it as well?

Anyway, we shall see tonight how it goes.
Given that May called the elections early solely to increase her majority, any net loss in seats would really be a loss for her even if she maintains the majority. Unfortunately that means that if Labour gains seats Corbyn will probably stay on as leader, instead of being ousted as he rightly should be.