If migrants sexually assault young girls , then who is at fault?

[Jimmy Higgins]

Meanwhile conservative parents are weeping at the news of their child being raped in school and crying out "Only if the rapist had been a legal resident."

Someone needs to do a skit on this.

You can play the skinhead.

 

[KeepTalking]

Meanwhile conservative parents are weeping at the news of their child being raped in school and crying out "Only if the rapist had been a legal resident."

Someone needs to do a skit on this.

No, they don't. It would be quite the opposite of funny.

 

[repoman]

Someone needs to do a skit on this.

You can play the skinhead.

deal, proudly...

 

[ZiprHead]

Method actor.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

If migrants sexually assault young girls , then who is at fault?

nobody fault because it a propaganda of right wing nuts

The report exists. While I don't read Swedish, the title alone is enough to see that there's a problem.

dude.. you're a man, with a woman's name. That alone tells me everything there is to know about you.

Like that?

Edited... aw crap, meant to quote Mrs. Pechtel

The point is you don't discuss solving a problem that doesn't exist in the first place.

And if you think I have a woman's name you're too young, get off my yard!

When I was born there was the male "Loren" (admittedly an uncommon name) and the female "Lauren". It's not my fault things have changed since.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I understand where the notion that "migrants are raping our women" comes from, besides pure rhetoric and hyperbole... it comes from the fact that 'their' women expose no skin except when they are about to have sex... so when they see skin, their dicks get hard... They just need time to adapt to Western life... and to be faced with the same consequences that anyone else would... how else will they learn?

Yeah, I think that's what's happening. Understanding it doesn't make it an extenuating circumstance, though.

 

[KeepTalking]

The point is you don't discuss solving a problem that doesn't exist in the first place.

We often discuss #BLM in this forum. Is this finally an admission from you that there is a problem with with the way black folk are treated by the police?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

The point is you don't discuss solving a problem that doesn't exist in the first place.

We often discuss #BLM in this forum. Is this finally an admission from you that there is a problem with with the way black folk are treated by the police?

Yeah, there's a problem: That agitators have gotten them to think the police are after them.

Besides, I was talking about an official report, not casual conversation.

 

[Malintent]

Your opinion doesn't seem to affect their behavior.

Mine is not an opinion it is a statement of fact of situation. In other words you take as aspect of a situation as a rational for behavior in entirely different conditions based only on appearance of skin. Very thin, very thin indeed.

yes, very shallow... however it is nonetheless precisely what I observed first-hand... shallow mindset governing men's behavior in that context.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Is it the fault girls, or the migrants?

Méh probably the fault of those cowardly vikings


It's not their fault, it's yours! Swedish GIRLS blamed for rise in migrant sex attacks

SWEDISH police have blamed Scandinavian teenage girls' “Nordic alcohol culture” and Western behaviour for a steep rise in sex attacks carried out by migrants.

Congratulations for spreading a fake news site article. Well, done Sir, in making the world a little bit dumber.

 

[funinspace]

Is it the fault girls, or the migrants?

Méh probably the fault of those cowardly vikings


It's not their fault, it's yours! Swedish GIRLS blamed for rise in migrant sex attacks

Congratulations for spreading a fake news site article. Well, done Sir, in making the world a little bit dumber.

As you read Swedish probably a lot better than Loren Pechtel, could you possibly summarize the intent of the Title from the PDF, as some here are leaping towards conclusions with no real information...

Here is the report.

Show me.

https://polisen.se/Global/www%20och%20Intrapolis/%C3%96vriga%20rapporter/Lagesbild%20over%20sexuella%20ofredanden.pdf

Entitled: The current situation of sexual molestation and proposals for action.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Congratulations for spreading a fake news site article. Well, done Sir, in making the world a little bit dumber.

As you read Swedish probably a lot better than Loren Pechtel, could you possibly summarize the intent of the Title from the PDF, as some here are leaping towards conclusions with no real information...

Here is the report.

Show me.

https://polisen.se/Global/www%20och%20Intrapolis/%C3%96vriga%20rapporter/Lagesbild%20over%20sexuella%20ofredanden.pdf

Entitled: The current situation of sexual molestation and proposals for action.

That was an incredibly waffly piece. It repeats over and over that the main reason for this report is to find out if Sweden has had a similar prevalence of "taharush gamea" as witnessed around Europe on new years eve. It only focuses on sexually assaults carried out by migrants and refugees from Muslim countries. It's a summary of those. The conclusion is that it hasn't happened here yet. In this report it says that overall sexual assaults have gone down since 2013.

One thing that's a bit confusing is mixing of categories. In some tables they're talking about sexual assault. In others sexual harassment. Also, Sweden has a wide definition of sexual harassment. It's so wide that it might be considered absurd. It gives examples of what counts as sexual harassment. If you comment a woman's looks unsolicited, sexual harassment. It also says that the most common type of sexual harassments is on-line. So these statistics cover stuff that you don't even need to be physically present to perpetrate.

Language is a bit of a problem. The English expression sexual assault sits in between the Swedish words "sexuellt övergrepp" and "våldtäkt". "Våldtäkt" is rape. "Sexuellt övergrepp" is usually less serious than sexual assault, but it's the closest word to it. This gets a bit lost in translation. An example they give is a guy touching a woman's ass unsolicited is sexual assault. Fits the Swedish terminology. Not really the English.

My guess is that they're trying to meet the accusations of trying to cover up the non-existent Muslim rape wave in Sweden. Sweden also has our Alex Jones type websites, and they are very active. A lot of Swedes are convinced that there's a cover up. But Sweden is an extremely transparent country. It would be close to impossible to cover up much at all in this country. Certainly this. But that doesn't stop these racist sites from trying.

Anyhoo... the authors didn't do a very good job IMHO. I think it was a messy report. I hate having to read reports closely to figure them out. Everything of interest should be in the summary. This one you really need to read the whole thing through.

 

[funinspace]

Anyhoo... the authors didn't do a very good job IMHO. I think it was a messy report. I hate having to read reports closely to figure them out. Everything of interest should be in the summary. This one you really need to read the whole thing through.

I didn't know that I knew a Swedish word, though I spell it Anywho Thanks for the summary, as it sounds about like I expected!

I realized that you are close that newish Öresundsbron hybrid bridge. That looks awesome...we instead wanted another warship and a couple dozen more prisons.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Anyhoo... the authors didn't do a very good job IMHO. I think it was a messy report. I hate having to read reports closely to figure them out. Everything of interest should be in the summary. This one you really need to read the whole thing through.

I didn't know that I knew a Swedish word, though I spell it Anywho Thanks for the summary, as it sounds about like I expected!

I realized that you are close that newish Öresundsbron hybrid bridge. That looks awesome...we instead wanted another warship and a couple dozen more prisons.

Yes, it's pretty awesome. Back when I worked in Copenhagen I travelled over that bridge every day. Every time I pass through the pylons I get goosbumps. It's so fucking massive. And the winds up their are really strong.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

As you read Swedish probably a lot better than Loren Pechtel, could you possibly summarize the intent of the Title from the PDF, as some here are leaping towards conclusions with no real information...

Here is the report.

Show me.

https://polisen.se/Global/www%20och%20Intrapolis/%C3%96vriga%20rapporter/Lagesbild%20over%20sexuella%20ofredanden.pdf

Entitled: The current situation of sexual molestation and proposals for action.

That was an incredibly waffly piece. It repeats over and over that the main reason for this report is to find out if Sweden has had a similar prevalence of "taharush gamea" as witnessed around Europe on new years eve. It only focuses on sexually assaults carried out by migrants and refugees from Muslim countries. It's a summary of those. The conclusion is that it hasn't happened here yet. In this report it says that overall sexual assaults have gone down since 2013.

One thing that's a bit confusing is mixing of categories. In some tables they're talking about sexual assault. In others sexual harassment. Also, Sweden has a wide definition of sexual harassment. It's so wide that it might be considered absurd. It gives examples of what counts as sexual harassment. If you comment a woman's looks unsolicited, sexual harassment. It also says that the most common type of sexual harassments is on-line. So these statistics cover stuff that you don't even need to be physically present to perpetrate.

Language is a bit of a problem. The English expression sexual assault sits in between the Swedish words "sexuellt övergrepp" and "våldtäkt". "Våldtäkt" is rape. "Sexuellt övergrepp" is usually less serious than sexual assault, but it's the closest word to it. This gets a bit lost in translation. An example they give is a guy touching a woman's ass unsolicited is sexual assault. Fits the Swedish terminology. Not really the English.

My guess is that they're trying to meet the accusations of trying to cover up the non-existent Muslim rape wave in Sweden. Sweden also has our Alex Jones type websites, and they are very active. A lot of Swedes are convinced that there's a cover up. But Sweden is an extremely transparent country. It would be close to impossible to cover up much at all in this country. Certainly this. But that doesn't stop these racist sites from trying.

Anyhoo... the authors didn't do a very good job IMHO. I think it was a messy report. I hate having to read reports closely to figure them out. Everything of interest should be in the summary. This one you really need to read the whole thing through.

If they are saying nothing happened then why proposals for action? You don't solve a problem that doesn't exist.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

If migrants sexually assault young girls , then who is at fault?

nobody fault because it a propaganda of right wing nuts

The report exists. While I don't read Swedish, the title alone is enough to see that there's a problem.

dude.. you're a man, with a woman's name. That alone tells me everything there is to know about you.

Like that?

Edited... aw crap, meant to quote Mrs. Pechtel

The point is you don't discuss solving a problem that doesn't exist in the first place.

It's not a report to "discuss solutions," it's a report on the occurrence of crime, lawlessness, and its relationship to, among other things, immigration. This is because in the world inhabited by adults and experts who care about things like facts and truthfulness, "research" is what people do when they want more information, NOT something they do when they are looking for something to validate their own prejudices.

 

[DrZoidberg]

As you read Swedish probably a lot better than Loren Pechtel, could you possibly summarize the intent of the Title from the PDF, as some here are leaping towards conclusions with no real information...

Here is the report.

Show me.

https://polisen.se/Global/www%20och%20Intrapolis/%C3%96vriga%20rapporter/Lagesbild%20over%20sexuella%20ofredanden.pdf

Entitled: The current situation of sexual molestation and proposals for action.

That was an incredibly waffly piece. It repeats over and over that the main reason for this report is to find out if Sweden has had a similar prevalence of "taharush gamea" as witnessed around Europe on new years eve. It only focuses on sexually assaults carried out by migrants and refugees from Muslim countries. It's a summary of those. The conclusion is that it hasn't happened here yet. In this report it says that overall sexual assaults have gone down since 2013.

One thing that's a bit confusing is mixing of categories. In some tables they're talking about sexual assault. In others sexual harassment. Also, Sweden has a wide definition of sexual harassment. It's so wide that it might be considered absurd. It gives examples of what counts as sexual harassment. If you comment a woman's looks unsolicited, sexual harassment. It also says that the most common type of sexual harassments is on-line. So these statistics cover stuff that you don't even need to be physically present to perpetrate.

Language is a bit of a problem. The English expression sexual assault sits in between the Swedish words "sexuellt övergrepp" and "våldtäkt". "Våldtäkt" is rape. "Sexuellt övergrepp" is usually less serious than sexual assault, but it's the closest word to it. This gets a bit lost in translation. An example they give is a guy touching a woman's ass unsolicited is sexual assault. Fits the Swedish terminology. Not really the English.

My guess is that they're trying to meet the accusations of trying to cover up the non-existent Muslim rape wave in Sweden. Sweden also has our Alex Jones type websites, and they are very active. A lot of Swedes are convinced that there's a cover up. But Sweden is an extremely transparent country. It would be close to impossible to cover up much at all in this country. Certainly this. But that doesn't stop these racist sites from trying.

Anyhoo... the authors didn't do a very good job IMHO. I think it was a messy report. I hate having to read reports closely to figure them out. Everything of interest should be in the summary. This one you really need to read the whole thing through.

If they are saying nothing happened then why proposals for action? You don't solve a problem that doesn't exist.

Any sexual assault, no matter how rare, is reason for the police to propose an action plan. Or are you somehow claiming that as long as the number of sexual assaults don't go up, the cops don't have to bother with preventing any. As if a low number of rapes is acceptable, and the girls should just stop whining so much?

 

[funinspace]

Loren, not everything is a nail...

Evidently, this article also showed up in a Snopes review of Swedish refuge bashing BS. And not surprisingly, it reads much as DrZ already stated...
Swedish Girl Refugee Assault Meme

The meme also may have been inspired in part by a 26 May 2016 article published by British tabloid Express, which reported that police in Sweden investigated an uptick in sexual assaults carried out by “asylum seekers”, who then pinned blame on their teenaged victims:
<Express.co.uk article quote>
The article referenced a May 2016 report from the Swedish Police Authority [PDF], which examined sexual assaults in the country between 2011 and 2016. The first page mentioned refugees in passing (and cited rumors of New Year’s Eve assaults), but not as a massive component of sex assaults in Sweden (translated):

 

[fast]

If we all start leaving our vehicle keys in our unlocked vehicles and find that a significant rise in vehicle theft occurs, there's going to be those rare few that will place FULL blame on the thieves yet still make the observable connection between our actions and the calculable statistics.

 

[Angra Mainyu]

If we all start leaving our vehicle keys in our unlocked vehicles and find that a significant rise in vehicle theft occurs, there's going to be those rare few that will place FULL blame on the thieves yet still make the observable connection between our actions and the calculable statistics.

Also, some of us will realize that the actions of the thieves who steal our cars and our actions leaving the keys in our unlocked vehicles are different actions, and crucially, that the moral blameworthiness of the thieves for their own actions is independent of any fault on our part. For example, when it comes to the thief blameworthiness, it doesn't matter if you left your keys in your unlocked vehicle out of negligence, or because someone else forced you to and the thief didn't know any of that, or because you're a police officer setting up a trap for a thief: the thief is exactly equally blameworthy for his action - namely, his attempt to steal your car, successful or not.

So, of course the thieves deserve full blame. Because it's not the case that there is a certain amount of blame to be distributed amongst the participants in a single action. Rather, there are different actions with different actors, and the blameworthiness of each of them for their own actions does not depend on the blameworthiness of the others for theirs.

Now, whether we would be morally blameworthy if we were to leave our keys like that is another matter. It seems clear that as long as we do not intend for anyone to attempt to steal our car, if we leave the car like that in a place where (like nearly all places) leaving the keys in an unlocked vehicle can be expected to raise significantly the chances of theft, we're being means-to-ends irrational, assuming no other relevant factors are at play (e.g., no one is forcing us). But do we have a moral obligation not to be means-to-ends irrational on the matter?

It depends. If - say - we depend on our car to do our job and make a living, and we have children in our care, then arguably yes, we would be morally blameworthy if we leave the keys like that. On the other hand, if we have no one in our care, and/or have billions of dollars and make money to buy several cars per hour, etc., it's more difficult to say. Maybe there is a general obligation to not make things easy for thieves? It's debatable. But in any event, regardless of whether we are morally blameworthy for our own action, the thieves are fully morally blameworthy for theirs.

But alas, in my experience, nearly everyone who considers matters like this fails to see any of the above.