George Zimmerman Arrested On Domestic Violence And Weapons Charge

[Bronzeage]

1. Nobody has ever creeped up behind me to ask why I'm out in the rain, anywhere.

2. Zimmerman was not neighborhood watch and had no markings indicating that he was such.

The difference would be that I would have waved and gone over and talked to the person in the car.

I wonder how Mr. Impulse Control would have reacted if Martin has approached his car.

I would never approach somebody like that. I hope nobody ever decides that means that I deserve to be killed.

If Martin had approached Zimmerman's car, we would be arguing about an attempted carjacking.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Congratulations on the 1000th post in this thread.

 

[Bronzeage]

Congratulations on the 1000th post in this thread.

My mother would be so proud.

 

[Mumbles]

Any creature with a lick of sense, voles included, would not lead a potential threat straight home. They would avoid the necessity of fighting for their lives in their own homes by seeking to throw off pursuit before they got there.

That recommendation about Martin ignoring Urban Rule #1 would have done nothing to increase his safety and a hell of a lot to decrease it. I hope you don't make that mistake should you ever find yourself in the same situation he was in.

In this case ignoring the urban rule #1 would not have decreased Martin's safety, and had he done so he'd be alive today. However, we don't know what was going in Martin's mind, and if he was consciously following that rule anyway.

How could he have possibly known this, and how do you know this?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

In this case ignoring the urban rule #1 would not have decreased Martin's safety, and had he done so he'd be alive today. However, we don't know what was going in Martin's mind, and if he was consciously following that rule anyway.

How could he have possibly known this, and how do you know this?

Mumbles, you simply don't know what was going through Martin's mind when he decided to throw the first punch.

 

[Arctish]

Any creature with a lick of sense, voles included, would not lead a potential threat straight home. They would avoid the necessity of fighting for their lives in their own homes by seeking to throw off pursuit before they got there.

That recommendation about Martin ignoring Urban Rule #1 would have done nothing to increase his safety and a hell of a lot to decrease it. I hope you don't make that mistake should you ever find yourself in the same situation he was in.

In this case ignoring the urban rule #1 would not have decreased Martin's safety, and had he done so he'd be alive today. However, we don't know what was going in Martin's mind, and if he was consciously following that rule anyway.

Zimmerman expressed his belief Martin was up to no good, and apparently thought Martin was a burglar. So what happens when Zimmerman sees one of the "assholes" who "always get away" entering a house through the back?

It wasn't Martin's actions that put him in danger that night. He was in danger because of Zimmerman's beliefs and actions. Martin had no control over how Zimmerman perceived a teenager walking back from a 7-11 and talking to a friend on a cell phone. Zimmerman probably couldn't control that either BUT Zimmerman was in control of his actions. He chose to put both himself and Martin in danger by engaging in armed pursuit and confrontation when all he should have done is stay in his vehicle and wait for the cops to arrive.

 

[Jayjay]

In this case ignoring the urban rule #1 would not have decreased Martin's safety, and had he done so he'd be alive today. However, we don't know what was going in Martin's mind, and if he was consciously following that rule anyway.

How could he have possibly known this, and how do you know this?

He couldn't. Just like Zimmerman didn't know that Martin wasn't a burglar. But of course Zimmerman would not be any threat to Martin, had he realized that Martin lived in the neighbourhood, so in this case, not following that rule would have been the best course of action for Martin. It's an entirely different matter whether that would be a good idea in general case for Martin.

But anyway I think the idea that Martin even considered the Urban Rule #1 is doubtful. Whe he first evaded Zimmerman, he probably thought he had been successful, because he continued his call with Jeantel and according to her testimony they started talking about basketball. And when he saw Zimmerman again, he didn't run, but had he done so, there is no reason why he couldn't have darted off to a direction away from his house.

 

[Jayjay]

In this case ignoring the urban rule #1 would not have decreased Martin's safety, and had he done so he'd be alive today. However, we don't know what was going in Martin's mind, and if he was consciously following that rule anyway.

Zimmerman expressed his belief Martin was up to no good, and apparently thought Martin was a burglar. So what happens when Zimmerman sees one of the "assholes" who "always get away" entering a house through the back?

He'd probably wait for the cops or observed whether he leaves the house (which Martin wouldn't do) and the situation would be resolved peacefully. Plus it would probably be quickly obvious that the people in the house knew Martin.

 

[RavenSky]

Yes! I certainly worry about any person who pulls aside and stares at me. And I'd be horrified about any man who followed me in his car, and then got out and followed me on foot. And I certainly would not lead any such person to my house.

you are in a neighborhood that is gated, under neighborhood watch and you don't think it would be someone wondering why you are out walking in the rain? The difference would be that I would have waved and gone over and talked to the person in the car.

I would be extraordinarily suspicious of and afraid of anyone who followed me in his vehicle, and then got out of his vehicle in the rain to follow me on foot. I would certainly be thinking "rapist" or similar because no normal person does that.

 

[RavenSky]

Any creature with a lick of sense, voles included, would not lead a potential threat straight home. They would avoid the necessity of fighting for their lives in their own homes by seeking to throw off pursuit before they got there.

That recommendation about Martin ignoring Urban Rule #1 would have done nothing to increase his safety and a hell of a lot to decrease it. I hope you don't make that mistake should you ever find yourself in the same situation he was in.

In this case ignoring the urban rule #1 would not have decreased Martin's safety, and had he done so he'd be alive today. However, we don't know what was going in Martin's mind, and if he was consciously following that rule anyway.

How about Zimmerman stays in his f*cking vehicle, and then Trayvon would be alive today.

Truly, I don't care what any of you think Trayvon could have, should have, might have done... the bottom line is that ZIMMERMAN is at fault... 100%.... for KILLING an innocent teenager. ZIMMERMAN got out of his vehicle and pursued Trayvon. ZIMMERMAN is the KILLER and 100% at fault.

 

[RavenSky]

Zimmerman expressed his belief Martin was up to no good, and apparently thought Martin was a burglar. So what happens when Zimmerman sees one of the "assholes" who "always get away" entering a house through the back?

He'd probably wait for the cops or observed whether he leaves the house (which Martin wouldn't do) and the situation would be resolved peacefully. Plus it would probably be quickly obvious that the people in the house knew Martin.

The lengths people will go to in order to blame an innocent teenager for his own death while excusing an aggressive violent killer is just disgusting

 

[Nexus]

My guess would be Zimmerman follows Martin into his house and shoots him in self defense once inside.

 

[Rhea]

Zimmerman expressed his belief Martin was up to no good, and apparently thought Martin was a burglar. So what happens when Zimmerman sees one of the "assholes" who "always get away" entering a house through the back?

He'd probably wait for the cops or observed whether he leaves the house (which Martin wouldn't do) and the situation would be resolved peacefully. Plus it would probably be quickly obvious that the people in the house knew Martin.

This is based on all of the other reasonable actions Zimmerman took that night?

I mean, seriously?

You think he'd all of a sudden stop acting like a fucking hero-wannabe creeper douchebag and suddenly go all, "I'll just wait here quietly till the cops arrive"?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Zimmerman expressed his belief Martin was up to no good, and apparently thought Martin was a burglar. So what happens when Zimmerman sees one of the "assholes" who "always get away" entering a house through the back?

He'd probably wait for the cops or observed whether he leaves the house (which Martin wouldn't do) and the situation would be resolved peacefully. Plus it would probably be quickly obvious that the people in the house knew Martin.

Or... he was joining other people robbing the house. And probably having drugged out sex too!

 

[RavenSky]

My guess would be Zimmerman follows Martin into his house and shoots him in self defense once inside.

LOL! Claims "Castle Doctrine" as his defense

He'd probably wait for the cops or observed whether he leaves the house (which Martin wouldn't do) and the situation would be resolved peacefully. Plus it would probably be quickly obvious that the people in the house knew Martin.

This is based on all of the other reasonable actions Zimmerman took that night?

I mean, seriously?

You think he'd all of a sudden stop acting like a fucking hero-wannabe creeper douchebag and suddenly go all, "I'll just wait here quietly till the cops arrive"?

crjq

 

[Mumbles]

He couldn't. Just like Zimmerman didn't know that Martin wasn't a burglar.

Well, no. The reason that Zimmerman should not have suspected Martin to be a burglar is that he had no evidence that Martin was a burglar. Martin had clear evidence that Zimmerman was stalking him - and we know that he didn't want to lead Zimmerman to his home, because to essentially told Rachel Jeantel this.

But of course Zimmerman would not be any threat to Martin, had he realized that Martin lived in the neighbourhood, so in this case, not following that rule would have been the best course of action for Martin. It's an entirely different matter whether that would be a good idea in general case for Martin.

As Rhea said, you are asking Martin to depend on the good sense of a man who is clearly an aggressive idiot.

 

[Arctish]

But of course Zimmerman would not be any threat to Martin, had he realized that Martin lived in the neighbourhood, so in this case, not following that rule would have been the best course of action for Martin. It's an entirely different matter whether that would be a good idea in general case for Martin.

As Rhea said, you are asking Martin to depend on the good sense of a man who is clearly an aggressive idiot.

And shifting responsibility for Zimmerman's actions onto Martin's shoulders.

Why, oh why, would a person walking home and minding his own business be responsible for the actions of a man who decides to grab his gun and chase after him? How is it even remotely possible for the pedestrian to know what will convince the pursuer to stay in the car when he doesn't even know the guy is thinking about pursuing him, much less why?

But of course Zimmerman would not be any threat to Martin, had he realized that Martin lived in the neighbourhood

He should not have been a threat to Martin, period. The fact that he was is entirely his fault, not Martin's.

 

[Jayjay]

In this case ignoring the urban rule #1 would not have decreased Martin's safety, and had he done so he'd be alive today. However, we don't know what was going in Martin's mind, and if he was consciously following that rule anyway.

How about Zimmerman stays in his f*cking vehicle, and then Trayvon would be alive today.

Truly, I don't care what any of you think Trayvon could have, should have, might have done... the bottom line is that ZIMMERMAN is at fault... 100%.... for KILLING an innocent teenager. ZIMMERMAN got out of his vehicle and pursued Trayvon. ZIMMERMAN is the KILLER and 100% at fault.

As lonn as we are talking general rules (such as "Urban Rule #1"), saying that Zimmerman should have stayed in his car is not reasonable. People have the right to wander abou their neighbourhoods, and they have right to keep an eye on people they suspect might be burglars. There is no rule that at all times, everyone should stay in their F*ing vehicles. If Trayvon had been a real burglar, Zimmerman getting out of his truck to have a better view would have been examplary (just looking through... apart from him shooting Trayvon and possibly trying to detain him later).

 

[Jayjay]

He'd probably wait for the cops or observed whether he leaves the house (which Martin wouldn't do) and the situation would be resolved peacefully. Plus it would probably be quickly obvious that the people in the house knew Martin.

The lengths people will go to in order to blame an innocent teenager for his own death while excusing an aggressive violent killer is just disgusting

Pointing out how taking a different action on part of either party could have avoided the event is hardly blaming anyone, it's a fact. It's no more disgusting than suggesting that Zimmerman caused the chain of events by leaving his car.

 

[Jayjay]

He'd probably wait for the cops or observed whether he leaves the house (which Martin wouldn't do) and the situation would be resolved peacefully. Plus it would probably be quickly obvious that the people in the house knew Martin.

This is based on all of the other reasonable actions Zimmerman took that night?

I mean, seriously?

You think he'd all of a sudden stop acting like a fucking hero-wannabe creeper douchebag and suddenly go all, "I'll just wait here quietly till the cops arrive"?

You think that because Zimmerman would follow a burglar with is car, he would force his way into one of his neighbours' houses also? That doesn't follow at all. Besides, he was waiting quietly at the T was what Zimmerman did up until the point he met Trayvon again.