Is there a God of atheism?

[Rhea]

I remember feeling outright rage at God when I left Christianity. I cursed Him out loud and called Him a child rapist and anything else I could think of that was vile. I literally wanted to murder God.

I have never, ever felt this.

Like you, my animosity shifted to those who apparently create a God in their own image for their own nefarious purposes.

Not like me. My animosity did not “shift to” those who create gods. My concern, defensiveness and protection is created by those who adhere to words that promote othering and thence danger.

It has always been there. There has never, ever, been a god in my psyche.

I can't say, though, that I never stopped hating that dictator in the sky because I just can't be completely sure that there's nothing to him.

I’m sorry to hear how this distresses you.
I, on the other hand, am absolutely certain that there is no god of the christian bible that I need to worry about. There is no evidence of any kind that creates that worry in me. Nor worship.

In any case, the possibility of a God of atheism is not popular in this forum. After all, most people don't want to appear wishy-washy in their thinking.

We keep telling you, and you keep not listening or calling us liars, that it has nothing to do with “wishy-washy”. We are telling you that it violates the definition, and that those of us who identify with the definition are neither stupid, nor deluded, nor wishy-washy. And you see our very clear words and repeat that you don’t trust our brains. THAT is what is not popular here.

If you believe in a god then you are something that is not called atheist. There’s nothing wrong with what you are and what you believe, it is just inexact to name it atheism.

As for me, I can live with uncertainty because it sure beats being certainly wrong.

You appear to actually have a very hard time with your uncertainty, based on your multiple threads attempting to shoehorn other people to join you by defining them out of existence.

I can't help but to be skeptical of any claim that a person absolutely and completely lacks any theistic belief.

Call yourself an “uncertain atheist,” if you will, but you will remain wrong to insist all of the rest of us are the same as you. Demonstrate that you can live with being an “uncertain atheist” by being comfortable that I am not one also, and lay off demanding that I am lying about it.

 

[TomC]

I remember feeling outright rage at God when I left Christianity. I cursed Him out loud and called Him a child rapist and anything else I could think of that was vile. I literally wanted to murder God.

It's none of my business really.
But what caused this? What happened that resulted in you leaving Christianity?

It sounds like it was traumatic.
Tom

 

[Shadowy Man]

I can't help but to be skeptical of any claim that a person absolutely and completely lacks any theistic belief.

Thats *your* problem not ours.

I am skeptical about all kinds of human behavior and thinking that I can’t truly understand and yet…

And anyway, “absolutely” and “completely” are not part of the definition of atheist. “Simply” lack qualifies too.

 

[ideologyhunter]

Call yourself an “uncertain atheist,” if you will, but you will remain wrong to insist all of the rest of us are the same as you. Demonstrate that you can live with being an “uncertain atheist” by being comfortable that I am not one also, and lay off demanding that I am lying about it.

Well said. He/she has now heard this from most of us, in this thread and others. It doesn't take. He/she gives no impression whatever of changing. At this point we are enablers.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

I can't help but to be skeptical of any claim that a person absolutely and completely lacks any theistic belief.

Thats *your* problem not ours.

I am skeptical about all kinds of human behavior and thinking that I can’t truly understand and yet…

And anyway, “absolutely” and “completely” are not part of the definition of atheist. “Simply” lack qualifies too.

I don't see any problem with any of this. I can take a God of atheism or leave one. As long as I can take the truth, then that's what matters to me.

 

[bilby]

I can take a God of atheism or leave one.

Even if the contradiction "some atheists believe in a god" were somehow distorted enough that it became true (perhaps by identifying people who say that they are atheists, but who also believe in a god or gods), this would still not imply the existence of "a God of atheism".

The god(s) that such people claiming to be atheists believe in are typically the gods of existing religions - so a person might say "I am an atheist", but still believe in the God of Christianity, for example. That person is mistaken about their atheism; But if we are foolish enough to account their self-description despite its contradictory juxtaposition with their beliefs, we still haven't encountered a "God of atheism".

There can no more be a singular "God of atheism", than there could be a singular "God of religion"; Monotheism is absurd enough on its own, without trying to impose it universally onto all religions; And the idea that such a universal monotheistic deity would be believed in by atheists is a contradiction to compound an absurdity.

The whole thing seems to suffer from the same glaring logical hole as Pascal's Wager: When considering whether or not a person is a theist, we cannot reasonably assume that if they are, they must believe in the same exact pantheon as all other theists.

Theists love to pretend that they're all one big happy family, with subtle differences in their beliefs, that are all basically the same worshipping of different aspects of the same god(s). That is, when they're taking a short break from killing each other over minor differences in the details of their beliefs.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I can't help but to be skeptical of any claim that a person absolutely and completely lacks any theistic belief.

Thats *your* problem not ours.

I am skeptical about all kinds of human behavior and thinking that I can’t truly understand and yet…

And anyway, “absolutely” and “completely” are not part of the definition of atheist. “Simply” lack qualifies too.

I don't see any problem with any of this. I can take a God of atheism or leave one. As long as I can take the truth, then that's what matters to me.

You seem to be bickering with yourself over the truth of the definitions of words. Words are made up constructs. They hold no objective truth. They merely try to label it.

It may be best to worry about facts rather than playing pedantic over the dictionary.

 

[DBT]

I can't help but to be skeptical of any claim that a person absolutely and completely lacks any theistic belief.

Thats *your* problem not ours.

I am skeptical about all kinds of human behavior and thinking that I can’t truly understand and yet…

And anyway, “absolutely” and “completely” are not part of the definition of atheist. “Simply” lack qualifies too.

I don't see any problem with any of this. I can take a God of atheism or leave one. As long as I can take the truth, then that's what matters to me.

Like dry water or cold heat.......

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Call yourself an “uncertain atheist,” if you will, but you will remain wrong to insist all of the rest of us are the same as you. Demonstrate that you can live with being an “uncertain atheist” by being comfortable that I am not one also, and lay off demanding that I am lying about it.

Well said. He/she has now heard this from most of us, in this thread and others. It doesn't take. He/she gives no impression whatever of changing.

What do you want me to change into? It sounds like a conversion of some sort.

At this point we are enablers.

What do you mean by "enabler"?

Anyway, I'd recommend Hector Garcia's Alpha God: The Psychology of Religious Violence and Oppression. Although Garcia explains God belief as a product of our evolutionary past in which we bowed to God-like males, his work can also be seen as a good basis for a "God of atheism." After all, atheists evolved like everybody else, so why should atheists lack their own God which they are loathe to see as a God?

 

[Rhea]

What do you want me to change into? It sounds like a conversion of some sort.

I reckon he’s talking about you changing into someone who hears the self describing statements of others and respects that they know more about themselves than you know about them.

But you don’t seem to be there at respecting our self-identifications yet.

We repsect yours. We believe you. You consider yourself an atheist but you still have some god belief that you can’t let go of. An uncertain atheist. Got it. That’s you. We believe you.

 

[ideologyhunter]

I don't believe Universal Soldier. Never have. It's pretty obvious that he's a fake and that his posted positions are not genuine. At a couple of key points he revealed himself.

 

[steve_bank]

Many mathematicians secretly doubt whether 1 + 1 = 2.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

What do you want me to change into? It sounds like a conversion of some sort.

I reckon he’s talking about you changing into someone who hears the self describing statements of others and respects that they know more about themselves than you know about them.

But you don’t seem to be there at respecting our self-identifications yet.

We repsect yours. We believe you. You consider yourself an atheist but you still have some god belief that you can’t let go of. An uncertain atheist. Got it. That’s you. We believe you.

You respect what I post? I can easily falsify that!
From Post #175

I think people are losing sight of the big picture and allowing themselves to be distracted by whatever tangent this fool throws in front of us. There is no God of atheism. If someone wants to argue there is, hold their feet to the fire and make them show their work.

Not enough? Here's some more "respect" from Post #291

I don't believe Universal Soldier. Never have. It's pretty obvious that he's a fake and that his posted positions are not genuine. At a couple of key points he revealed himself.

OK, Rhea, is this garbage what you base your claim of respecting me on? Is your claim that I should believe what I'm told here based on the "truth" of your claim that I'm respected in this forum?

 

[TomC]

OK, Rhea, is this garbage what you base your claim of respecting me on?

Do you realize that @Rhea didn't post either of your examples?

I think Rhea is extremely nice and respectful towards you, given your posting style.

How about you recognize that as atheist behavior?
Tom

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Is your claim that I should believe what I'm told here based on the "truth" of your claim that I'm respected in this forum?

 

[ideologyhunter]

Not enough? Here's some more "respect" from Post #291

I don't believe Universal Soldier. Never have. It's pretty obvious that he's a fake and that his posted positions are not genuine. At a couple of key points he revealed himself.

You bit. I hoped you would. Let's think a bit...
You're put out and offended that someone would read your work and not believe your stated positions, your declarations of self? Well, now you know how we feel.

 

[steve_bank]

Soldier, no one is telling you what you should believe. I doubt anyone here cares what you believe. I wonder if you now what you believe.

What people are doing is refuting your claims which you are unable to defend. .

 

[Unknown Soldier]

OK, Rhea, is this garbage what you base your claim of respecting me on?

Do you realize that @Rhea didn't post either of your examples?

Uh--hey Tom. You're making some errors here. Let me explain. When I used the pronoun "you" it was plural rather than singular. How can you know? Back in the original context, Post #290, we see the pronoun "we." "We" is plural. So the "you" I used was in response to that "we" meaning I meant "you" in the plural.

And who is this mysterious group "you"? I was referring to all my attackers here at IIDB.

I think Rhea is extremely nice and respectful towards you, given your posting style.

First, I think I should be the judge of how well I'm being treated. To say it's respectful would be laughable if I didn't care about truth and decency. Second, not one person came to my defense after those two latest attacks. And third, there's nothing wrong about my "posting style" unless you object to reason, truth, and my winning the argument.

How about you recognize that as atheist behavior?

To be fair, I can't honestly characterize all atheists as being like the atheists here at IIDB. For example, on a YouTube video I saw "new atheist" Lawrence Krauss speaking about the importance of original, independent thinking. He said that truth doesn't depend on any bandwagon but evidence. And as everybody here knows I'm a truth seeker who doesn't want to please or comfort people. Truth is my highest priority.

 

[DBT]

All atheists are the same in regard to not believing in the existence of a God or gods, which is the literal meaning of 'atheist.'

 

[Unknown Soldier]

All atheists are the same in regard to not believing in the existence of a God or gods, which is the literal meaning of 'atheist.'

Some atheists perhaps all on occasion wonder if there may be a God after all. I know I sometimes wonder if there's a God. Since I perceive reality imperfectly, then maybe God is "there" only I'm missing her--or him--or them--or it.