Is there a God of atheism?

[gmbteach]

All you had to do was ask.

If your mom works in a circular building, she works on an infinite number of corners.

in the same vein... and not directed at you don2...

Yo mama so fat that in a round room she sits in ALL the corners at the same time...

 

[DBT]

So then, how many corners are to be found in a five metre diameter circle?

 

[bilby]

Are there corners on a circle?

There can be four corners on a circle! (See the attached graphic.) In fact, you can put as many corners on a circle you want.

Anyway, this lesson isn't just about geometry; it's a lesson about opening the mind to all possibilities and giving up the strictures of absolutist thinking. We appear to limit ourselves unnecessarily both in insisting that circles cannot have corners and that atheists cannot have Gods.

A square within a circle does not make a circle with corners...

So if I put a hippopotamus inside a circle, that means a circle can be a hippopotamus. I love this place. I learn new things all the time!

Nah, a hippopotamus is characteristic of right triangles.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Will you for once in your life get off of your right triangles hobby horse?!

 

[bilby]

Will you for once in your life get off of your right triangles hobby horse?!

I will not go off on a tangent, 'cos it's a sin (at least to some degree).

 

[gmbteach]

Will you for once in your life get off of your right triangles hobby horse?!

I will not go off on a tangent, 'cos it's a sin (at least to some degree).

No.. just cos.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

please define “corner”.

How many corners does a square have?

You brought up the whole business of "corner points." You tell us what corner points are.

If you don’t know what a corner point is why are you referring to it in your diagram of a circle? It appears it is common practice for you to make arguments using terms of which you don’t know the definitions.

LOL--Shad, your thought is just amazing. I ask you to explain what a corner point is, and you then conclude that I don't have my own ideas regarding corner points.

Anyway, corner points are what we mathematicians normally call "vertices." You can think of a vertex as the end point shared by two line segments or rays.

It's important to understand that squares, circles, and other geometric shapes are defined as infinite sets of points in a space of some kind like a plane. Like any two sets, two geometric shapes can share elements, and their elements are points. A point shared by two geometric shapes is called an "intersection point" because it's an element in the intersection of the two sets of points that make up the two shapes. So if a point is a vertex on a triangle, for example, then that same point can also be an element of a set that makes up a circle. It is a "corner point on or in a circle" that is an element of both sets.

I recommend you study basic trigonometry and set theory for more information.

 

[Shadowy Man]

please define “corner”.

How many corners does a square have?

You brought up the whole business of "corner points." You tell us what corner points are.

If you don’t know what a corner point is why are you referring to it in your diagram of a circle? It appears it is common practice for you to make arguments using terms of which you don’t know the definitions.

LOL--Shad, your thought is just amazing. I ask you to explain what a corner point is, and you then conclude that I don't have my own ideas regarding corner points.

It seemed like you didn't want to answer the question, for no apparent reason. So, I wasn't sure if that was because you didn't know what it meant or not.

Anyway, corner points are what we mathematicians normally call "vertices." You can think of a vertex as the end point shared by two line segments or rays.

It's important to understand that squares, circles, and other geometric shapes are defined as infinite sets of points in a space of some kind like a plane. Like any two sets, two geometric shapes can share elements, and their elements are points. A point shared by two geometric shapes is called an "intersection point" because it's an element in the intersection of the two sets of points that make up the two shapes. So if a point is a vertex on a triangle, for example, then that same point can also be an element of a set that makes up a circle. It is a "corner point on or in a circle" that is an element of both sets.

I recommend you study basic trigonometry and set theory for more information.

I agree. I would define a corner point as where two line segments of a polygon meet. So, how many line segments make up a circle? How many vertices does a circle have?

I wouldn't define a circle as a polygon, nor would I say it has any line segments that can intersect at a corner. So, my answer is that a circle has *zero* corners.

What is your answer? When I first asked you, you just drew a square on top of a circle and said the square's corners where "on" the circle. I hope that you have finally figured out why I consider that a non-answer, and it seems that you are now very close to being able to answer my question properly.

Your "thought is just amazing", too. The fact that it has taken this many posts for you to answer such a simple question is just astounding.

 

[Unknown Soldier]

So then, how many corners are to be found in a five metre diameter circle?

There are as many such points in any circle as you choose to define. You can even define an infinite number of vertices in a circle if you wish.

 

[DBT]

So then, how many corners are to be found in a five metre diameter circle?

There are as many such points in any circle as you choose to define. You can even define an infinite number of vertices in a circle if you wish.

The same applies to straight lines. Points are not corners. Neither straight lines or circles have corners.

 

[Rhea]

There is no god of atheism.
No definition of “god” that is recognizable by any theist is a part of the world of atheists.

Tricksy clever wordplay is defined, for atheism, as humor or attempted humor. Not as god.


Is there a god of atheism?
No. By definition.

 

[Rhea]

All of this attempt to introduce tricksy, impossible definitions to attempt to force atheists to agree that atheism holds all the disagreeable parts of religion and theism are a bad game of words, not a serious discussion of worldviews.

Sorry Unknown Soldier. You will have to dwell in the reality that the atheism you are trying so hard to reject, and to feel better about your decision by making others reject it with you, cannot be done by reason, only by illusion.

You are trying to delude yourself that your decision to reject atheism is logical and widely shared. You are trying to create a space for yourself that includes neither atheism nor religion. Safety blanket? I don’t know. But it nis an emotional position that you are trying to occupy - apparently because you hate religion but are terrified of the lack of it. You want to be an atheist who has a god and an afterlife to hold you close.


Here’s the thing: Go for it. You can have that. You can believe anything you want. Lots of people do.

But here’s the distress for you, it seems: you don’t want to be alone there. You strive to create definitions that include others within the circle of belief that you seek. And when you describe your circle and others say, “nah, not my circle, I don’t abide there,” you appear to freak out at being alone in your beliefs and strive mightily to create a definition that will encircle others in a belief they have told you that they don’t hold.


I’m sorry to hear that you do not have co-believers and that this distresses you.
YOu should know that all of us in this thread (and I say with confidence, though anyone can dispute me if I’m wrong,) accept you as you are and see no need to change you or your beliefs. You be you. We’re only disputing your definitions of *us*, not our acceptance of *you.*

 

[Emily Lake]

I'm no mathematician. I was told that math skills were not a requisite on this site. I haven't seen so many circles, segments, and points since 9th grade geometry.
Please, can we get back to the Yo Mama jokes that Don2 and Emily Lake were doing on pages 6 and 7?

Yo mama's points and circles have an effect on my segments

 

[Emily Lake]

Will you for once in your life get off of your right triangles hobby horse hippopotomus?!

 

[EricH]

I think people are losing sight of the big picture and allowing themselves to be distracted by whatever tangent this user throws in front of us. There is no God of atheism. If someone wants to argue there is, hold their feet to the fire and make them show their work.

 

[Shadowy Man]

He seemed to agree that squares aren’t circles even if they share some characteristics so why can’t he agree that atheism isn’t a religion even if they share some characteristics?

 

[gmbteach]

There is no god of atheism.
No definition of “god” that is recognizable by any theist is a part of the world of atheists.

Tricksy clever wordplay is defined, for atheism, as humor or attempted humor. Not as god.


Is there a god of atheism?
No. By definition.

I think he wants us to find god, or a god, in a circle that has corners… or is that a square with round edges…. I don’t fucking no anymore.

 

[gmbteach]

I think people are losing sight of the big picture and allowing themselves to be distracted by whatever tangent this fool throws in front of us. There is no God of atheism. If someone wants to argue there is, hold their feet to the fire and make them show their work.

He wants us to believe in a circle with corners,,,. As least that’s what I think he wants.

 

[Shadowy Man]

I think people are losing sight of the big picture and allowing themselves to be distracted by whatever tangent this fool throws in front of us. There is no God of atheism. If someone wants to argue there is, hold their feet to the fire and make them show their work.

He wants us to believe in a circle with corners,,,. As least that’s what I think he wants.

He doesn’t want to commit to definitions that preclude his conclusions. So, we just have to open up our thinking so that atheists can believe in gods, atheism can be a religion, bachelors can be married, circles can have corners, etc. he doesn’t seem to want us to take the “easy way out” and say these things can’t be true by definition.

 

[gmbteach]

I think people are losing sight of the big picture and allowing themselves to be distracted by whatever tangent this fool throws in front of us. There is no God of atheism. If someone wants to argue there is, hold their feet to the fire and make them show their work.

He wants us to believe in a circle with corners,,,. As least that’s what I think he wants.

He doesn’t want to commit to definitions that preclude his conclusions. So, we just have to open up our thinking so that atheists can believe in gods, atheism can be a religion, bachelors can be married, circles can have corners, etc. he doesn’t seem to want us to take the “easy way out” and say these things can’t be true by definition.

Oooh. He wants us to believe in the chaos that is life….… why didn’t he say so….

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