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George Zimmerman Arrested On Domestic Violence And Weapons Charge

I agree fully, if by that you mean Zimmerman was insane to put himself into a situation where he felt he needed to be armed.

And punching someone in a concealed carry area and a a SYG state is a bad idea too.

Getting into a street fight pointlessly is always a bad idea in any state. This explains why Martin ran away from Zimmerman.

And what explains Zimmerman's outlandish aggressiveness? I'm guessing it's either that he felt like a big hero when he helped the police catch a thief that one time (nobody ever said how he helped, mind you), or he had developed a mental illness* of some sort that makes him highly aggressive. Could be both.

*: Yes, I know, most mentally ill people aren't violent. what I mean is that Zimmerman seems to have done relatively well once for quite a few years, and then suddenly his wife leaves him, and he's shooting some teen he was chasing, shoving women around, throwing bottles of wine, stalking strangers to their place of work, and on and on and ON. That's...not normal.
 
And punching someone in a concealed carry area and a a SYG state is a bad idea too.

Getting into a street fight pointlessly is always a bad idea in any state. This explains why Martin ran away from Zimmerman.

And what explains Zimmerman's outlandish aggressiveness? I'm guessing it's either that he felt like a big hero when he helped the police catch a thief that one time (nobody ever said how he helped, mind you), or he had developed a mental illness* of some sort that makes him highly aggressive. Could be both.

*: Yes, I know, most mentally ill people aren't violent. what I mean is that Zimmerman seems to have done relatively well once for quite a few years, and then suddenly his wife leaves him, and he's shooting some teen he was chasing, shoving women around, throwing bottles of wine, stalking strangers to their place of work, and on and on and ON. That's...not normal.


Explaining his slight aggressiveness, helping the police catch a thief. He wanted to help the police when they asked which way he went. Zimmerman has to clean up his act or he will go to jail for his other actions.
 
And punching someone in a concealed carry area and a a SYG state is a bad idea too.

Getting into a street fight pointlessly is always a bad idea in any state. This explains why Martin ran away from Zimmerman.

And what explains Zimmerman's outlandish aggressiveness? I'm guessing it's either that he felt like a big hero when he helped the police catch a thief that one time (nobody ever said how he helped, mind you), or he had developed a mental illness* of some sort that makes him highly aggressive. Could be both.

*: Yes, I know, most mentally ill people aren't violent. what I mean is that Zimmerman seems to have done relatively well once for quite a few years, and then suddenly his wife leaves him, and he's shooting some teen he was chasing, shoving women around, throwing bottles of wine, stalking strangers to their place of work, and on and on and ON. That's...not normal.

That's called being a sociopath. He does well (i.e. controls his temper and his behavior) fairly well as long as things are going his way and everybody is doing what he wants. The minute people start not doing what he wants, i.e. whenever George cannot control everything, then he engages in more obviously abnormal, aggressive, controlling and violent behavior.

I bet he's actually not all that great at controlling his worst behaviors long term. How long did his marriage last? After a while, facades fall away.

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Getting into a street fight pointlessly is always a bad idea in any state. This explains why Martin ran away from Zimmerman.

And what explains Zimmerman's outlandish aggressiveness? I'm guessing it's either that he felt like a big hero when he helped the police catch a thief that one time (nobody ever said how he helped, mind you), or he had developed a mental illness* of some sort that makes him highly aggressive. Could be both.

*: Yes, I know, most mentally ill people aren't violent. what I mean is that Zimmerman seems to have done relatively well once for quite a few years, and then suddenly his wife leaves him, and he's shooting some teen he was chasing, shoving women around, throwing bottles of wine, stalking strangers to their place of work, and on and on and ON. That's...not normal.


Explaining his slight aggressiveness, helping the police catch a thief. He wanted to help the police when they asked which way he went. Zimmerman has to clean up his act or he will go to jail for his other actions.

One would hope that George actually faces real consequences for his behavior. And that some of those consequences involve a lot of therapy.
 
If left alone Z will eventually kill again.

We'll see what his defenders the open minded have to say then . . . too bad someone else will need to be killed first.
 
If left alone Z will eventually kill again.

We'll see what his defenders the open minded have to say then . . . too bad someone else will need to be killed first.

Nope. I think his much more likely to get into some trouble on the home front then killing someone else again. Though we have about a bet that will cover a long time span
 
If left alone Z will eventually kill again.

We'll see what his defenders the open minded have to say then . . . too bad someone else will need to be killed first.

In the meantime, anyone who wants to kill Zimmerman, can do so and easily make it look as if it were inevitable.
 
It seems as likely that Zimmerman meant to follow a suspect out of the neighborhood and/or ensure they didn't enter a home, as detain them before they had the chance to steal anything.
Had Zimmerman stayed in the vehicle I would agree its likely he didn't intend to detain a suspect. However he left the safety of his vehicle while armed and was upset that "they always get away" which can mean only one thing, he intended to detain his suspect.
Such careless handling of statements that do not necessary mean only one thing. Since when does prevention of a get-away involve only detainment as opposed to stalling or following with police on the way? I'm still not seeing a history of pre-meditated stupidity on GZ's part. He could have been trying to stall the "suspect" until the police arrived. If the police had gotten there before anything happened, GZ would have been caught following yet another innocent person to their house - a pattern consistent with his history. All the hand-waving around Zimmerman's record of convicted and alleged violence does not prove he started the physical altercation. And we can't be sure what Martin was thinking, being followed by a "creepy ass cracker" in a gated community. Maybe he wasn't as frightened of the guy as he should have been. Then again, GZ could have attempted to detain a suspect for assumed drug possession, as opposed to having stolen anything. In the 911 call, Zimmerman seemed to be suggesting that Martin was canvasing the neighborhood for a robbery ("he's just milling around looking at the houses" or something like that) and on drugs or something. I'm still not sure about what really happened and what charge the perp (Zimmerman) should have gotten.
 
Had Zimmerman stayed in the vehicle I would agree its likely he didn't intend to detain a suspect. However he left the safety of his vehicle while armed and was upset that "they always get away" which can mean only one thing, he intended to detain his suspect.
Such careless handling of statements that do not necessary mean only one thing. Since when does prevention of a get-away involve only detainment as opposed to stalling or following with police on the way? I'm still not seeing a history of pre-meditated stupidity on GZ's part. He could have been trying to stall the "suspect" until the police arrived. If the police had gotten there before anything happened, GZ would have been caught following yet another innocent person to their house - a pattern consistent with his history. All the hand-waving around Zimmerman's record of convicted and alleged violence does not prove he started the physical altercation. And we can't be sure what Martin was thinking, being followed by a "creepy ass cracker" in a gated community. Maybe he wasn't as frightened of the guy as he should have been. Then again, GZ could have attempted to detain a suspect for assumed drug possession, as opposed to having stolen anything. In the 911 call, Zimmerman seemed to be suggesting that Martin was canvasing the neighborhood for a robbery ("he's just milling around looking at the houses" or something like that) and on drugs or something. I'm still not sure about what really happened and what charge the perp (Zimmerman) should have gotten.

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The Zimmerman people are not defending Zimmerman, they are defending themselves.

That does often seem to be true, to be honest.

*sighs* Let's break it down yet again...

Such careless handling of statements that do not necessary mean only one thing. Since when does prevention of a get-away involve only detainment as opposed to stalling or following with police on the way?

And how would that work? Remember, Zimmerman supposedly lost sight of Martin completely. And yet, he somehow ends up fighting with him, around the corner from his car. How'd that happen?

And furthermore, you've accepted a quote from Rachel Jeantel, so she's now in play. And according to her, Zimmerman reappeared behind Martin, refused to identify himself or his purpose in following Martin, and did something to cause Martin to say "Get off, get off!" to anyone with any sense, this means that Zimmerman chased down and grabbed Martin.

I'm still not seeing a history of pre-meditated stupidity on GZ's part.

Who said anything about "pre-meditated"? Frankly, he seems to be unable to understand the consequences of his violent behavior, which is why, in addition to getting into trouble with so many people, he's also a remarkably poor liar.

He could have been trying to stall the "suspect" until the police arrived.

Possibly. But is only evidence of his stupidity, particularly when there's nothing for the "suspect" to be suspected of.

If the police had gotten there before anything happened, GZ would have been caught following yet another innocent person to their house - a pattern consistent with his history.

And again, Urban Rule #1.

All the hand-waving around Zimmerman's record of convicted and alleged violence does not prove he started the physical altercation.

So, he was attacked by, among other things, a frightened teen, a wife holding an iPad, an old man, a table, a mistress, and a wine bottle.

But why did he stalk some random guy to his workplace, and then just stand around in plain sight with a gun on him, when he was *supposed* to be in hiding under mass threat of death?

And we can't be sure what Martin was thinking, being followed by a "creepy ass cracker" in a gated community. Maybe he wasn't as frightened of the guy as he should have been.

No, we can be sure, by his clear statements of fear, his running away from Zimmerman, and by his refusing to lead Zimmerman home, that he was frightened. It's very easy to put myself in his shoes, and I suspect it is for most other people. Far more difficult to understand why Zimmerman was so enraged by a black kid dressed warmly in cold weather, with snacks from the store, walking home.

Then again, GZ could have attempted to detain a suspect for assumed drug possession, as opposed to having stolen anything.

Which makes the NYPD look like Officer Friendly.

In the 911 call, Zimmerman seemed to be suggesting that Martin was canvasing the neighborhood for a robbery ("he's just milling around looking at the houses" or something like that) and on drugs or something.

And again, given Zimmerman's amazingly poor judgement, I'm not sure why we should care what he thought about Martin. You don't seem to want to suggest anything less that perfectly clear video of the entire encounter, and that's unrealistic. Those of us us who concluded he was a murderer looked at Zimmerman's 311 call, Jeantel's testimony, Martin's known behavior, the location of Martin's body, and Zimmerman's idiotic stories.

I'm still not sure about what really happened and what charge the perp (Zimmerman) should have gotten.

Manslaughter, at the very least.
 
If left alone Z will eventually kill again.

We'll see what his defenders the open minded have to say then . . . too bad someone else will need to be killed first.

In the meantime, anyone who wants to kill Zimmerman, can do so and easily make it look as if it were inevitable.

No. Zimmerman is half white and a conservative, so therefore if anyone did to Zimmerman what he did to an unarmed teenager, it would be wrong because Zimmerman is an actual human being and his life has value.
 
And punching someone in a concealed carry area and a a SYG state is a bad idea too.

You are right. Zimmerman should have never punched Trayvon.

Was there any indication at all, from the physical evidence, or Jeantal, or wherever, that Z punched M? My impression is that Z wanted to avoid a fight because he knew something that M didn't: that the cops were coming. I think we'd all expect that someone with Z's build (before the trial pounds) should be able to hold his own against M; at least push him off and land a few hits. But Z apparently covered his head and squealed like a baby. It seems the explanation for that behavior is to appear the innocent when the cop eventually arrived. An indication of this is when the first neighbor walks up immediately after M is shot, Z asked him (as testified to by the neighbor at trial) whether he was a cop. We all do this, of course. It's the difference on how we act when we know we're being watched, or think we're being watched, and how we act we know we are not being watched, or think we're not being watched. Like speeding on the highway and everyone slows down when a cop is spotted.
 
In the meantime, anyone who wants to kill Zimmerman, can do so and easily make it look as if it were inevitable.

No. Zimmerman is half white and a conservative, so therefore if anyone did to Zimmerman what he did to an unarmed teenager, it would be wrong because Zimmerman is an actual human being and his life has value.

No. It doesn't work that way. Zimmerman is now a trouble maker with a history of violence. Anyone can now shoot him in a confrontation and claim they were in fear of their life. Zimmerman will probably be killed by a law enforcement officer who answers a domestic abuse complaint.
 
You are right. Zimmerman should have never punched Trayvon.

Was there any indication at all, from the physical evidence, or Jeantal, or wherever, that Z punched M? My impression is that Z wanted to avoid a fight because he knew something that M didn't: that the cops were coming.
Are you sure about that, because he was tired of "them" getting away with "it".

Doesn't sound like a man that's just going to wait until the cops get around to dropping on by.
 
That's called being a sociopath. He does well (i.e. controls his temper and his behavior) fairly well as long as things are going his way and everybody is doing what he wants. The minute people start not doing what he wants, i.e. whenever George cannot control everything, then he engages in more obviously abnormal, aggressive, controlling and violent behavior.

I bet he's actually not all that great at controlling his worst behaviors long term. How long did his marriage last? After a while, facades fall away.

Possibly. I won't make any sort of diagnosis, since I'm nothing of an expert. However, I have read that mental illnesses can sometimes develop in the late 20s, and, to be honest, quite a few guys who clean their acts up and lead normal lives, were violent fools in their teens and early 20s.
 
A nickel says that if he got that blood test the night of the murder, he'd have showed steroids.
 
You are right. Zimmerman should have never punched Trayvon.

Was there any indication at all, from the physical evidence, or Jeantal, or wherever, that Z punched M?
in the exact same place as the evidence that Trayvon punched Zimmerman.

My impression is that Z wanted to avoid a fight because he knew something that M didn't: that the cops were coming..
you are entitled to think whatever you like, but I do not think the evidence supports your belief.

Zimmerman did not want to avoid a fight, else he would not have gotten out of his vehicle and gone after Trayvon, and kept going after him after 911 told him not to, and kept going after him even after he lost sight of him.

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A nickel says that if he got that blood test the night of the murder, he'd have showed steroids.

That is what I have suspected, too.
 
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