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George Zimmerman Arrested On Domestic Violence And Weapons Charge

 
 
 
Deepak said:
What better way to improve his odds than catching one of those bad guys who always get away?
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Yeah, the wannabe police officer who is totally unaware of his physical prowess (or lack thereof) tries to pull an illegal detainment of a suspect while the cops are on their way. Was there some advantage to detaining a suspect as opposing to following them home? Zimmerman did have a record of following "suspicious persons" home without attacking them - did he figure those people were all burglars getting away? Wasn't Trayvon coming into the neighborhood, as opposed to sneaking out the back of a house? It seems as likely that Zimmerman meant to follow a suspect out of the neighborhood and/or ensure they didn't enter a home, as detain them before they had the chance to steal anything. The latter seems utterly stupid - did he have a history of such stupid (as opposed violent) behavior?
 
There was also the incident where a friend on the police force alerted him to a car accident so he could "rescue" a family.
 
EPresence2 said:
It seems as likely that Zimmerman meant to follow a suspect out of the neighborhood and/or ensure they didn't enter a home, as detain them before they had the chance to steal anything.
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Had Zimmerman stayed in the vehicle I would agree its likely he didn't intend to detain a suspect. However he left the safety of his vehicle while armed and was upset that "they always get away" which can mean only one thing, he intended to detain his suspect.
 
Is it not a crime in most states to "detain" someone.May even be kidnapping.GZ had no authority to do anything. If I recall even the home owners association did not want him.
 
EPresence2 said:
I actual agree that he shot Trayvon before receiving any serious injuries (how could I not) - it's more plausible that he shot simply because he was losing the fight.
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Losing a fight he started doesn't allow for the use of deadly force in supposed self-defense. So it sounds like you agree he should have been convicted of, at minimum, manslaughter
 
EPresence2 said:
Deepak said:
What better way to improve his odds than catching one of those bad guys who always get away?
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Yeah, the wannabe police officer who is totally unaware of his physical prowess (or lack thereof) tries to pull an illegal detainment of a suspect while the cops are on their way. Was there some advantage to detaining a suspect as opposing to following them home? Zimmerman did have a record of following "suspicious persons" home without attacking them - did he figure those people were all burglars getting away? Wasn't Trayvon coming into the neighborhood, as opposed to sneaking out the back of a house? It seems as likely that Zimmerman meant to follow a suspect out of the neighborhood and/or ensure they didn't enter a home, as detain them before they had the chance to steal anything. The latter seems utterly stupid - did he have a history of such stupid (as opposed violent) behavior?
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Well, considering the strong link between assaulting people when you're angry and the inability to think of a better way to handle frustration, I'd say yes, George Zimmerman has a history of poor decision making resulting in stupid behavior.
 
EPresence2 said:
Nice Squirrel said:
I'm not sure why you think it takes a greater leap to go from an active pursuer failing to identify himself (and from his 911 call identifying Martin as one who might get away) to making physical contact with Martin. It seems to be pretty logical based upon what we know.
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I'm not sure why you think it doesn't take a greater leap to go from an active pursuer failing to identify himself (and from his 911 call identifying Martin as one who might get away) to making physical contact with Martin. It seems to be pretty logical based upon what "we" know. In other words, there was a reasonable doubt at the time IMO. At least I'm not claiming to know anything about what really happened. It's a position that can easily be changed with comprehensive evidence and logic/internal consistency. Now I really need to get off this thread and leave it at that. If I spout off again, please smack me around with emoticons.
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It takes a far greater leap to assume that Trayvon must have hit Zimmerman first when it is Zimmerman that has the long history of hitting, punching, throwing and threatening people.
 
Apparently...there are pockets of America, where not only can you get away with murdering a black youth, but where you can also be so revered for killing a black kid... that you get to beat a few women and threaten them with guns now and then (as a sort of performance bonus and "thank you").


 
EPresence2 said:
Yeah, the wannabe police officer who is totally unaware of his physical prowess (or lack thereof) tries to pull an illegal detainment of a suspect while the cops are on their way
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To be clear, Zimmerman is obviously a very stupid person, in addition to being violent. His lies are obvious, and frankly, I have no idea how others don't see that, and why he isn't in prison.

Was there some advantage to detaining a suspect as opposing to following them home? Zimmerman did have a record of following "suspicious persons" home without attacking them - did he figure those people were all burglars getting away?
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Well, no, his record was of attacking random people, as has been discussed.

Wasn't Trayvon coming into the neighborhood, as opposed to sneaking out the back of a house? It seems as likely that Zimmerman meant to follow a suspect out of the neighborhood and/or ensure they didn't enter a home, as detain them before they had the chance to steal anything. The latter seems utterly stupid - did he have a history of such stupid (as opposed violent) behavior?
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Well, yes, he does have a history of stupid, violent behavior.
 
Again,why do some posters use terms like "perp" and "suspect"?GZ was a no body that thought he was a somebody.If Martin had a gun,and shot GZ,under the SYG in Florida,Oh, he was bugler,
 
bleubird said:
Again,why do some posters use terms like "perp" and "suspect"?GZ was a no body that thought he was a somebody.If Martin had a gun,and shot GZ,under the SYG in Florida,Oh, he was bugler,
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And probably hid that bugle in the bushes!!
 
bleubird said:
Rhea said:
And probably hid that bugle in the bushes!!
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OK,I will just bugger off.
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Uh-oh, can't read your tone - I didn't mean to dismiss your point, I am very sorry if that's how it came off. Let me be the one to pull that back on, because it was a good point...

Again,why do some posters use terms like "perp" and "suspect"?GZ was a no body that thought he was a somebody.If Martin had a gun,and shot GZ,under the SYG in Florida,Oh, he was burglar,
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Why, indeed? There is NO REASON to claim Martin was any kind of "suspect" in anything. And saying so shows a callous disregard for truth and the presumption of innocence (and the integrity of critical thinking!)
 
That's what is comes down to. Martin was essentially minding his own business when a strange man who was convinced he was a criminal began stalking him. But don't tell that to his detractors. To them he was obviously a criminal; to some a master criminal with military thug training.
 
Nice Squirrel said:
That's what is comes down to. Martin was essentially minding his own business when a strange man who was convinced he was a criminal began stalking him. But don't tell that to his detractors. To them he was obviously a criminal; to some a master criminal with military thug training.
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Or we have. Someone who sees suspicious behavior and calls 311 to report and watches the person to see if it was normal behavior or not. The person takes off running suspiciously and he checks to see which way he goes. Martin gets pissed for being watched and cold cocks the guy and finds out not good to start a fight with a guy with a gun.

But for the new case. What is the current status? It's a domestic abuse case so the prosecution will decide whether or not to bring charges based on any evidence they have.
 
coloradoatheist said:
Nice Squirrel said:
That's what is comes down to. Martin was essentially minding his own business when a strange man who was convinced he was a criminal began stalking him. But don't tell that to his detractors. To them he was obviously a criminal; to some a master criminal with military thug training.
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Or we have. Someone who sees suspicious behavior and calls 311 to report and watches the person to see if it was normal behavior or not. The person takes off running suspiciously and he checks to see which way he goes. Martin gets pissed for being watched and cold cocks the guy and finds out not good to start a fight with a guy with a gun.
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Right, because as pointed out several times there is no evidence that it went down this way.
 
About 20 pages ago, I mentioned that one thing we didn't really accept at the time of the Z trial is that cops relatively often kill innocent black people.

Being the cop slut that Z clearly was and is, he had to understood this better than us white northern middle class liberals.

As English Bob says in Unforgiven -

[discussing the assassination of President Garfield] If you were to try to assassinate a king, sir, the, how shall I say it, the aura of royalty would cause you to miss. But, a president, [chuckles] I mean, why not shoot a president?
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It seems Z killed T because he could.
 
That's a huge gamble for Zimmerman to think...Hey let me get into a situation where I can kill this kid and just hope that I get the right jury so I can do it even though it would make life a whole lot harder.
 
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