George Zimmerman Arrested On Domestic Violence And Weapons Charge

[Loren Pechtel]

There is no helping you, this forum has turned into Stormfront Lite.

He's not making a racial argument at all. We are saying we think Trayvon started it because of the culture he was in, not because of his race.

And, remember, Zimmerman isn't white, either.

 

[RavenSky]

false. Trayvon did not have "a history" of getting into fights, nor did his brother say Trayvon was suspended for assaulting a bus driver. There was nothing more than some big talk on text - no arrests, no suspensions for fighting, nothing.

Zimmerman, otoh...

It is disgusting how the slanders against the deed teenager just grow and grow... like Pinocchio's nose.

Being approached in a neighborhood didn't justify perceiving it as a threat and I don't think Martin saw it as a threat either but wanted to prove a point.

Oh bullshit! That aggressive asshole Zimmerman first followed Trayvon via SUV, then took his gun to follow Trayvon on foot. Unless his quarry is a football linebacker or simply insane, Zimmerman is going to be perceived as a threat by his own actions. And given what we know about Zimmerman from both before and after he killed Trayvon, he obviously was a threat.

When the defense tried to bring up text/tweets/facebook messages about Martin's history they were barred by the courts, along with school records. And I said that his brother asked if he was suspended for fighting, not that he was. And you don't have to be arrested for street fighting to actually have been in a street fight. There was the you tube video of him refeering street fights and and texts of him talking about a fight.

You said, and I'm quoting:

even his brother thinking he got suspended for assaulting a bus driver

and I maintain that no such thing ever happened. If you are going to claim it did, you will need to provide a factual source to back up your claim.

As for

When the defense tried to bring up text/tweets/facebook messages about Martin's history they were barred by the courts, along with school records.

- the courts have nothing to do with it. Every scrap of slanderous information - including photos and social media accounts that didn't even belong to Trayvon - were pushed into the public by Zimmerman defenders. And in all of that, there were no arrests for fighting, no school suspensions for fighting, no nothing. It is your contention that Trayvon was at least as equally likely to be violent... You said:

It's definitely hard to say only one side had a tendency to be violent when the other side had a history of getting into fights and even his brother thinking he got suspended for assaulting a bus driver.

Well, support your claim. Show this "history of getting into fights". All you seem to have is some big talk on social media (on accounts that may or may not have even belonged to Trayvon) and a video of Trayvon referring a fight (which means (1) he wasn't fighting, and (2) it wasn't anyone assaulting someone else, it was an informal boxing/wrestling match type of thing). You have not shown that Trayvon had any sort of "history of getting into fights" which means your attempts at equivalency have thus far failed.

Back to Zimmerman, the man we know for a fact has a history of violence and aggressiveness...

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There is no helping you, this forum has turned into Stormfront Lite.

He's not making a racial argument at all. We are saying we think Trayvon started it because of the culture he was in, not because of his race.

And, remember, Zimmerman isn't white, either.

"the culture he was in" - what "culture" was that Loren?

 

[scombrid]

The question, "what are you doing here" in a gated neighborhood community is a valid question and should have been answered with, "Just walking home from 7/11 to my dad's/uncles that is a couple houses down, want to make sure?" And things would have been avoided.

So Zimmerman says on the 9/11 call "they always get away" and then gets out of his car and starts running. The dispatcher says "are you following him?" and Zimmerman says "yeah". Now Zimmerman has demonstrated of late that he's short on impulse control. You still really believe that he politely asked Martin what was his business in the neighborhood?

 

[Arctish]

This is just another "Martin threw the first punch" story. You don't know that he did, and no matter how strongly you believe it to be true, it isn't even close to being as likely as Zimmerman being the one who turned the verbal confrontation - a confrontation he went to some effort to achieve - into a physical one.

Also, you are completely discounting Martin's legitimate fear for his life and safety, and his right to stand his ground. You're not the only one who skips right past that part, though. It's very common in the Zimmerman camp. It's as thought Zimmerman supporters believe only white people are allowed to go about their business unmolested and defend themselves from the violent thugs who pursue them.

And the other camp thinks that Martin was a perfect little angel, no problems in the past and would soon be at Harvard if he hadn't been killed.

Baloney. I don't recall anyone here arguing Martin was a perfect little angel except Derec, and he was being sarcastic.

I don't understand why you can't think Martin turned the confrontation physical and violent.

It's not that Martin can't, it's that we have no reason to suppose that he did, but plenty of reason to suppose Zimmerman (you know, the guy with the history of turning confrontations physical and violent, the one doing the pursuing) most likely did.

Also, we know Martin had the right to be where he was doing what he was doing, a reasonable fear for his life and safety, and the right to stand his ground against the violent thug pursuing him, so even if he did throw the first punch he was well within his rights to do so. Some creepy ass stranger had pursued him in the dark and the rain and accosted him while he was walking home talking on his cell phone. He had the right to defend himself, and no amount of victim-blaming can change that.

Zimmerman OTOH had no right to put Martin in fear for his life and safety. His right to follow and observe did not give him the right to confront, interfere with, and/or attempt to detain Martin. And Zimmerman's history of violence, before and after that night, is the reddest of red flags. The guy is known to resort to violence to force people to comply with is wishes, and no amount of victim-blaming can change that, either.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

There is no helping you, this forum has turned into Stormfront Lite.

He's not making a racial argument at all. We are saying we think Trayvon started it because of the culture he was in, not because of his race.

And the difference being?

 

[scombrid]

Being approached in a neighborhood didn't justify perceiving it as a threat

I live in a nice neighborhood on Indian River Lagoon. Think middle class side streets and million dollar waterfront. Very white bread with yuppies, hipsters, and a few hold out crackers. One of the nicest places I can think to be. People that don't live in this neighborhood come here just to walk/run/bike. It still takes a lot less than somebody following me in a vehicle and then jumping out of that vehicle to run after me to put me on edge. Zimmerman's behavior would have put me on red alert.

 

[coloradoatheist]

Here's a link to the list of the texts.

http://www.wesh.com/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/texts-photos-from-trayvon-martins-phone-released-by-george-zimmermans-defense/20271978

One of them is about how he was in a fight and lost the first round but won the next two and was was talking about a rematch.

 

[Nexus]

Being approached in a neighborhood didn't justify perceiving it as a threat and I don't think Martin saw it as a threat either but wanted to prove a point.

Being followed like Martin was that night can be reasonably perceived as a threat. But even if we agree to disagree about that perception, we don't need to rely on it based on hindsight and now a more through understanding of Zimmerman's past and future. The undeniable fact is Zimmerman was a threat to Martin that night in fact a deadly threat made real ie Martin was shot dead. And Zimmerman has a solid reputation as a killer and person willing and able to use lethal force. The fact of the matter is that if Zimmerman gets you in his cross-hairs you are in genuine danger.

 

[Nexus]

One of them is about how he was in a fight and lost the first round but won the next two and was was talking about a rematch.

A person that engages in voluntary competitive fights is nothing like someone that assaults innocent people that way Zimmerman has in his violent past.

 

[RavenSky]

Here's a link to the list of the texts.

http://www.wesh.com/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/texts-photos-from-trayvon-martins-phone-released-by-george-zimmermans-defense/20271978

One of them is about how he was in a fight and lost the first round but won the next two and was was talking about a rematch.

And....?

Again, not one shred of evidence that Trayon Martin was involved in any "street fights" or had "a history of getting into fights".

IF Trayvon Martin was involved in a match that included him losing the first round but winning the next two and asking for a re-match... that is not describing him "getting into fights" any more than Zimmerman's MMA training was the same as when Zimmerman assaulted a police officer, or threw a woman to the pavement, or punched his father-in-law, or battered his girlfriend around and busted up her furniture, or threw a wine bottle at another girlfriend... or shot an innocent teenager dead.

 

[Arctish]

Here's a link to the list of the texts.

http://www.wesh.com/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/texts-photos-from-trayvon-martins-phone-released-by-george-zimmermans-defense/20271978

One of them is about how he was in a fight and lost the first round but won the next two and was was talking about a rematch.

Oh, yeah, I remember those. Mutually agree upon bare knuckle boxing match, three rounds, timed, refereed, Marquess of Queensbury rules, wasn't it?

 

[Mumbles]

Here's a link to the list of the texts.

http://www.wesh.com/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/texts-photos-from-trayvon-martins-phone-released-by-george-zimmermans-defense/20271978

Yep. Ge finitely no interest in "getting
One of them is about how he was in a fight and lost the first round but won the next two and was was talking about a rematch.

Oh, yeah, I remember those. Mutually agree upon bare knuckle boxing match, three rounds, timed, refereed, Marquess of Queensbury rules, wasn't it?

Yep. Clearly not "street fights", or attacking someone without warning.

Seriously, why would Zimmerman suddenly truthful about getting suckerpunched when he was clearly lying about everything up to that point?

 

[Loren Pechtel]

It's not that Martin can't, it's that we have no reason to suppose that he did, but plenty of reason to suppose Zimmerman (you know, the guy with the history of turning confrontations physical and violent, the one doing the pursuing) most likely did.

Martin: He comes out of a culture where disagreements are often settled by violence.

Zimmerman: When you look at the circumstances of his charges they're basically jokes. He's been accused of domestic violence multiple times recently--yet he apparently still is allowed to have a gun which makes it clear those domestic violence charges went nowhere.

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He's not making a racial argument at all. We are saying we think Trayvon started it because of the culture he was in, not because of his race.

And the difference being?

You can't tell the difference between culture and race???

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Here's a link to the list of the texts.

http://www.wesh.com/trayvon-martin-extended-coverage/texts-photos-from-trayvon-martins-phone-released-by-george-zimmermans-defense/20271978

One of them is about how he was in a fight and lost the first round but won the next two and was was talking about a rematch.

And....?

Again, not one shred of evidence that Trayon Martin was involved in any "street fights" or had "a history of getting into fights".

IF Trayvon Martin was involved in a match that included him losing the first round but winning the next two and asking for a re-match... that is not describing him "getting into fights" any more than Zimmerman's MMA training was the same as when Zimmerman assaulted a police officer, or threw a woman to the pavement, or punched his father-in-law, or battered his girlfriend around and busted up her furniture, or threw a wine bottle at another girlfriend... or shot an innocent teenager dead.

Look at those texts--his friend thought he was in trouble for fighting. It's unlikely he would think that unless Martin got in fights.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

He's not making a racial argument at all. We are saying we think Trayvon started it because of the culture he was in, not because of his race.

And the difference being?

You can't tell the difference between culture and race???

No. Please tell us what the difference is.

 

[Arctish]

And....?

Again, not one shred of evidence that Trayon Martin was involved in any "street fights" or had "a history of getting into fights".

IF Trayvon Martin was involved in a match that included him losing the first round but winning the next two and asking for a re-match... that is not describing him "getting into fights" any more than Zimmerman's MMA training was the same as when Zimmerman assaulted a police officer, or threw a woman to the pavement, or punched his father-in-law, or battered his girlfriend around and busted up her furniture, or threw a wine bottle at another girlfriend... or shot an innocent teenager dead.

Look at those texts--his friend thought he was in trouble for fighting. It's unlikely he would think that unless Martin got in fights.

The boys at my high school used to go to the grassy area on the north side of the auditorium (no windows, so little chance of being seen by a teacher) and fight like Kwai Chang Caine in the TV show Kung Fu. I saw them a few times back there, aiming awkward kicks and hand strikes at each other, with their friends cheering them on and prepared to step in if things got too heated. It was stupid, someone could have been hurt, and anyone who got caught would have been in trouble for fighting at school. But it was not street fighting or a sign someone was a thug.

Apparently, Martin and his friends got together to fight like Robert Downey, Jr. and Jude Law in the modern Sherlock Holmes movies. I'm sure someone saw them aiming awkward punches at each other, with their friends cheering them on and prepared to step in if things got too heated. It was stupid, someone could have been hurt, and anyone who got caught would have been in trouble for fighting at school. But it was not street fighting or a sign someone was a thug.

Other posters have related stories of the teenaged boys at their school jousting like they were Rocky, or Chuck Norris, or ninjas. So why are we pretending teenaged boys don't have mutually agreed upon bouts where they emulate the popular fighting styles of the day? Why are we pretending these fights are the same as slapping one's fiancé across the mouth and threatening her, or throwing a cop or a bouncer against the wall when he's ejecting a kid for underage drinking? The agreed-upon fights are not attacks; the assaults Zimmerman is known to have committed were.

 

[Arctish]

Martin: He comes out of a culture where disagreements are often settled by violence.

Zimmerman: When you look at the circumstances of his charges they're basically jokes. He's been accused of domestic violence multiple times recently--yet he apparently still is allowed to have a gun which makes it clear those domestic violence charges went nowhere.

You think striking someone in the face and threatening them is a joke? You think throwing a cop up against a wall is a joke, or it's a joke if the guy is a bouncer ejecting someone for underage drinking?

Well, on the off chance you actually think so, please don't make the mistake of thinking the cops or the courts will agree. If you smack your wife in the face and threaten her, you will be in trouble with the law, and you will be facing a Restraining Order if she decides she doesn't want you near her. If you assault a cop, you will be charged with a felony, and if you don't make a deal with the Prosecution like Zimmerman did, you will find yourself in front of a judge who will no doubt tell you "This is not a joke".

 

[laughing dog]

Martin: He comes out of a culture where disagreements are often settled by violence.

Oh really? Do enlighten us on this "culture" and how you know about it. I am sure all of the participants are eager to learn all about it.

 

[Jayjay]

Of course it's not racist, because he is saying that Martin didn't throw the punch because he is black, but because the culture he is in.

And what culture is that? Why, it's the black culture of course.

 

[Nexus]

Zimmerman: When you look at the circumstances of his charges they're basically jokes. He's been accused of domestic violence multiple times recently--yet he apparently still is allowed to have a gun which makes it clear those domestic violence charges went nowhere

You're completely incorrect here because you forgot the biggest reason Zimmerman has got away with so many legal issues unscathed, his father was a judge and obviously has connections that kept him out of serious trouble.