Yet another war, this time with Iran

[Harry Bosch]

Also, as to him being "long dead", he is the one who founded the so-called "Islamic Republic". And to my knowledge, no ayatollah after him abrogated Khomeini's pro-pedophilia teachings.

Why would a Muslim deny that? After all. Ayesha was 6 when married (Muhammad played with her dolls) and 9 when marriage was consummated?

For the same reason that Christians deny that the Bible condones slavery: Denial.

 

[Tigers!]

Stop this moral relativisation. It's like saying that Trump is just as bad is Hitler. No he's not. It's an incredibly ignorant thing to say. I think you're better than this

He is just as bad. Israel would not have done this if it did not have the backing of US. How many killed (including civilians, women and children, how many houses destroyed, how many displaced? I am not supporting Hamas. The war will start again tomorrow, if not, then at a later time. This war is not going to end. And he has three more years. God alone knows what other wars he will bring about.

If this were purely about opposing brutal regimes, the list of targets would be a lot longer. The outrage seems to show up mainly when it aligns with U.S. strategic interests.

The outrage is two-sided.
Far too many of the deaths in Gaza are unwarranted.
Where is the outrage about the brutal killings in Sudan, Myanmar etc. Only seems to be a problem when it is Jews/Israelis/the west doing the killings.
Non-whites killing non-whites? Who cares? Not many it seems.

For example, actions like this incursion into Iran can just as easily be viewed as an effort to strengthen U.S. positioning in the region to counter

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That’s also why I think U.S. support for Israel is driven heavily by strategy, not just shared values. That doesn’t make it illegitimate, but it does mean we should be honest about the geopolitical incentives and actually debate whether they still make sense.

And just to be clear, I support dismantling groups like Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Ayatollah’s regime. But the moment I show any concern for civilians caught in the middle, suddenly I’m “pro-Hamas”? That leap makes no sense to folks not in their cult.

It is not being pro-Hamas to be rightly concerned about many aspects of Israeli policy in Gaza. It is pro-Hamas when all the ire is directed at Israeli without trying to stop Hamas in their actions.

Another thing, why do people even feel the need to constantly preface everything by saying they support Israel’s right to exist? When was the last time anyone had to clarify that they support other countries existing? It's a no brainer to me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Far too many people do not support Israel's right to exist.

The “No other country is threatened with destruction” is a wild take too. They really think global rivals wouldn’t love to escort each other off the board.

 

[Gospel]

The outrage is two-sided.
Far too many of the deaths in Gaza are unwarranted.
Where is the outrage about the brutal killings in Sudan, Myanmar etc. Only seems to be a problem when it is Jews/Israelis/the west doing the killings.
Non-whites killing non-whites? Who cares? Not many it seems.

I haven't seen much of that out of you. Does that mean you're antisemitic because I personally haven't seen it? Now magnify that and the whole world population can be said to be antisemitic. Yawl really need to get over it like black folks ought to get over slavery.

 

[bilby]

All countries have the right to exist.

No country has the right to expand.

Some countries may have justifications for expansion; If so, their leaders should sit down like grown-ups and explain why their expansion is justified, and an independent panel can listen to all parties to the disagreement and reach a consensus on new borders.

Where conflicts do arise, a powerful peacekeeping force from neutral countries should intervene and enforce non-violence.

That's how the UN was meant to work; Sadly the five permanent members of the Security Council make a mockery of the whole show, not least because they render the remaining nations of the world effectively irrelevant.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Trump is completey imcompetent. He lies on social media about what Iran did or did not agree to. He makes clear that he's despirate for a deal. He blows his stack, threatens genocide amd goes TACO.

Art of the deal, baby!!

 

[laughing dog]

The outrage is two-sided.
Far too many of the deaths in Gaza are unwarranted.
Where is the outrage about the brutal killings in Sudan, Myanmar etc. Only seems to be a problem when it is Jews/Israelis/the west doing the killings.

The brutal killers in Sudan, Myanmar, etc… do not hide behind the veneer of moral justification nor do they many defending their actions.

 

[Tigers!]

The outrage is two-sided.
Far too many of the deaths in Gaza are unwarranted.
Where is the outrage about the brutal killings in Sudan, Myanmar etc. Only seems to be a problem when it is Jews/Israelis/the west doing the killings.

The brutal killers in Sudan, Myanmar, etc… do not hide behind the veneer of moral justification nor do they many defending their actions.

And yet not many care.
Even on these fora a thread about Sudan will die of neglect very quickly

 

[Tigers!]

The outrage is two-sided.
Far too many of the deaths in Gaza are unwarranted.
Where is the outrage about the brutal killings in Sudan, Myanmar etc. Only seems to be a problem when it is Jews/Israelis/the west doing the killings.
Non-whites killing non-whites? Who cares? Not many it seems.

I haven't seen much of that out of you. Does that mean you're antisemitic because I personally haven't seen it? Now magnify that and the whole world population can be said to be antisemitic. Yawl really need to get over it like black folks ought to get over slavery.

I have started a thread on Sudan. It died of neglect.
I have been active on the Gaza thread. Not much lately admittedly.

 

[aupmanyav]

Where is the outrage about the brutal killings in Sudan, Myanmar etc.

That will be a different topic. Start one, who stops you.

It is not being pro-Hamas to be rightly concerned about many aspects of Israeli policy in Gaza. It is pro-Hamas when all the ire is directed at Israeli without trying to stop Hamas in their actions.

Yes, Hamas, Iran also were wrong and so was the US.

Far too many people do not support Israel's right to exist.

They are hurt by what Israel has done since 1948.