Yet another war, this time with Iran

[Jimmy Higgins]

Does Trump have any clue how to negotiate?

 

[bilby]

Does Trump have any clue how to negotiate?

Sure he does. He has a seven stage negotiating strategy:

1) Insults. You start by insulting the guys you are negotiating with; Then you insult anyone who might offer you assistance or support in the negotiation. Don't hold back; Insults are a sign of confidence and diplomatic strength.

2) Demands. Once everyone hates you enough, you make demands that are so outrageous that they would almost certainly have been rejected even if you had skipped step 1 (above). If there is any chance whatsoever that they might meet your demands, you haven't demanded enough. Demand more!

3) Surprise. Sun Tzu recommended surprise as a tactic; So when your demands are utterly rejected, act surprised.

4) Pleading. Beg the folks you hoped would help you out to help. Don't mention the fact that you insulted them during step 1 (above), with any luck they might have forgotten.

5) More insults. Nobody is answering your pleas, so tell them how cowardly and horrible they are in no uncertain terms. Insult your opponents again, too. Tell them how they are making a terrible mistake by not caving to your demands from step 2 (above).

6) Threats. Threaten your opponents with the obliteration of everything they hold dear. This is a great tactic, so don't just use it on your opponents, threaten your allies too! If you already obliterated something, threatening to do it again is a great move - nobody wants their stuff destroyed twice, and you will remind them of just how effective your efforts were the first time around.

7) Victory. Declare it loudly enough, and maybe nobody will notice you just made it even less likely than it was when you started.

 

[Derec]

Israel wants to wipe Hezbollah off the face of the earth.

What's wrong with wanting to wipe a terrorist organization that wants to exterminate you off the face of the Earth?

But it's good to know you think Israel is as reliable as a known terrorist organisation. That's progress of a sort I guess.

.A terrorist organization is only "reliable" in the sense that you can trust them to not negotiate in good faith. Like agreeing to disarm, and then admitting to the fawning NPR reporter that they never had any intention to give up any good weapons.

 

[bilby]

What's wrong with wanting to wipe a terrorist organization that wants to exterminate you off the face of the Earth?

Symmetry.

 

[Arctish]

Israel wants to wipe Hezbollah off the face of the earth.

What's wrong with wanting to wipe a terrorist organization that wants to exterminate you off the face of the Earth?

But it's good to know you think Israel is as reliable as a known terrorist organisation. That's progress of a sort I guess.

.A terrorist organization is only "reliable" in the sense that you can trust them to not negotiate in good faith. Like agreeing to disarm, and then admitting to the fawning NPR reporter that they never had any intention to give up any good weapons.

Please post evidence Hezbollah agreed to disarm before making ^this claim again.

It looks like you're trying to make a dishonest sleight-of-hand an accepted part of the narrative. That's counter-productive.

WRT honoring a ceasefire, the article you posted indicated Hezbollah did not violate the ceasefire despite not being a party to it and despite repeated violations by Israel. So really, you should be asking if Israel is going to honor this new one.

 

[Tigers!]

Does Trump have any clue how to negotiate?

Sir Humphrey shows Trump the way
Start at 1:25 till 2:20

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[scombrid]

Does Trump have any clue how to negotiate?

Declare bankruptcy and walk away is all he’s ever managed in his business life. So even before the dementia was bad he didn’t know how to negotiate.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Well, Trump is trumping it up... again.

"NO MORE MR. NICE GUY!" Trump wrote.

"They'll come down fast, they'll come down easy and, if they don't take the DEAL, it will be my Honor to do what has to be done, which should have been done to Iran, by other Presidents, for the last 47 years,” he added.

He closed the post with one more line: "IT'S TIME FOR THE IRAN KILLING MACHINE TO END!"

This type of speak is what helped end the nuclear threat in North Korea and led to the nation disarming and joining the rest of Asia is a friendly economic compact, so Trump is trying it again.

 

[laughing dog]

Apparently the US has seized sn Iranian oil tanker.

 

[Derec]

Apparently the US has seized sn Iranian oil tanker.

Good. Should have done that from day 1.

 

[bilby]

I remember a time when people were shocked and surprised if a Presidential statement sounded like it was written by an excitable nine-year-old boy who skipped his Ritalin.

 

[Derec]

I remember a time when people were shocked and surprised if a Presidential statement sounded like it was written by an excitable nine-year-old boy who skipped his Ritalin.

"You must always remember that the president is about six"
Cecil Spring Rice about Theodore Roosevelt

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Derec]

Epstein has nothing on the OG "supreme" leader of Iran.

 

[TV and credit cards]

I remember a time when people were shocked and surprised if a Presidential statement sounded like it was written by an excitable nine-year-old boy who skipped his Ritalin.

"You must always remember that the president is about six"
Cecil Spring Rice about Theodore Roosevelt

You're comparing Teddy Roosevelt's voracious intellectual appetite and insatiable curiosity to Trump's inability to control himself in the toilet that is social media?

 

[DrZoidberg]

I remember a time when people were shocked and surprised if a Presidential statement sounded like it was written by an excitable nine-year-old boy who skipped his Ritalin.

"You must always remember that the president is about six"
Cecil Spring Rice about Theodore Roosevelt

You're comparing Teddy Roosevelt's voracious intellectual appetite and insatiable curiosity to Trump's inability to control himself in the toilet that is social media?

I remember the 80'ies where the media kept making fun of Reagan for being an intellectual lightweight. Those were the days.

 

[Patooka]

I remember a time when people were shocked and surprised if a Presidential statement sounded like it was written by an excitable nine-year-old boy who skipped his Ritalin.

"You must always remember that the president is about six"
Cecil Spring Rice about Theodore Roosevelt

You're comparing Teddy Roosevelt's voracious intellectual appetite and insatiable curiosity to Trump's inability to control himself in the toilet that is social media?

Yes he is. To be honest, I'm surprised that you're surprised.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I remember a time when people were shocked and surprised if a Presidential statement sounded like it was written by an excitable nine-year-old boy who skipped his Ritalin.

"You must always remember that the president is about six"
Cecil Spring Rice about Theodore Roosevelt

You're comparing Teddy Roosevelt's voracious intellectual appetite and insatiable curiosity to Trump's inability to control himself in the toilet that is social media?

I remember the 80'ies where the media kept making fun of Reagan for being an intellectual lightweight. Those were the days.

The southern strategy was the design of the roller coaster, Reagan is the point where the coaster is going down the big hill. Trump isn't happening without Reagan and the Neocons. Reagan puts O'Connor on the bench, but also Rehnquist and Scalia beginning its radicalization.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Epstein has nothing on the OG "supreme" leader of Iran.

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That was the old Khomeini who wrote that and Iran has been completely obliterated since then, with a freed liberated people, and a completely new regime changed. Mission Accomplished, Derec.