Putting it the way you do "Pig in a Poke" (as the description you give above, is to you). I quite understand - it's not that type of place you'd like to be in.
Then how could it be bliss?
No doubt imo, the meek, all those who suffered terribly through all sorts of atrocious ordeals throughout mans history, may have found it kinda attractive... a whole new experience 'for a change', you could say.
So heaven is designed for each individual without interaction with the other individuals?
They are each in separate virtual realities?
Do YOU want to buy a pig in a poke?
For the record, my most deeply held problem with this “heaven” that y’all imgine is that it includes a hell where people are being tortured. And while that makes me say, “um, no?” what really disturbs me is that actual non-imaginary humans are walking around in my world with hearts that think they can be perfectly happy while knowing people are being tortured. THAT is the real problem in my heart.
"What theists imagine of Heaven includes a hell".
Hmm..
without asking for ANY defining description for the latter as you did for Heaven... you DO have a concept description.. of what hell means to you.
Oh look. Just as I predicted on page one. When I _do_ offer a description, you just tell me I’m wrong, and we play a little game you’ve cooked up called, “bring me a rock. No not that rock, bring me a different rock. No not that rock, bring me a different rock.” With a “rollseyes” you show me how wrong I am about your theology.
This is why I asked YOU to describe what YOU were asking about.
How predictable. Go look at your reply to my prediction, where you said, “what? Me? The nice Christian? Whatever do you mean?”
I knew you would do this, and I KNEW that what I heard or read would nbot be what is YOUR personal picture of heaven, so I
asked you to describe it, and you can go back an re-read the thread to watch how coy and evasive you have been, asking me to tell you what’s in your head. You were asked about hell several times as well. And you were evasive again. Now you rolleyes at me for making a guess.
In a manner of phrasing language (pig in a poke). Were you telling 'porkies' when you said you didn't understand (the concept of) heaven?
No, learner, I really truly was not, am not. I wanted to answer YOUR question. I asked you straight up to explain yourself and admitted I had no idea what YOU meant. I explained I’d heard what other people meant, and what your bible says, and it often contradicts so to answer YOUR question, I would need YOUR description. I listed some things to ask and instead of answering the useful ones (how will people resolve conflicts) you picked the most unimportant one (how will they nourish themselves) and caricatured it with “I don’t know the menu”. That is your dodge, your evasion.
It is not a good faith discussion.
Hell is a deterent against evil wickedness etc.,& etc.. POV. Only God/ Jesus can take that position as being ultimately fair. to Judge. It takes ultimately more than a mere mortal to do what is promised, by the laws laid out and covenants agreed upon, without hesitancy (even with sorrow in heart) not to rewrite the laws, or take back His WORD...doing turnarounds( like politicians) with what was established. It takes ultimately more than a mere mortal to fulfill and keep to the script, so to speak.
This is a whole ‘nother thread and is intensely interesting. About “rules” your god “has” to follow that result in some people being rewarded with “new bodies” that “don’t sin” while other people “have to” keep the sinful bodies and be tortured in them. I shall start a different thread for this. It’s a weird, twisty, (very human) and pretty disturbing excuse for torture.
Without conflicting with any covenants - He sent a saviour should we fall short (of the laws for example),sins are forgivable. Sinners get forgiven - Reprobates (Gods enemies) don't repent.
So your heaven includes the existence of something bad happening to “reprobates”. AS I posited above.
