Why is God at war with it's creation?

[C_Mucius_Scaevola]

Still flogging the dead horse.
some birds have evolved away from flight, so, no.

so do bird learned to fly?

What do you even mean?

Do you mean "was one individual bird born without the capability of flight, but learned it in its lifetime?"?

Or do you mean, "did the ancestors of modern birds evolve, over many, many generations, the structures and abilities necessary for flight?"?

The answers, in the same order as the questions, are: "no, don't be ridiculous" and "yes, that sounds more like it".

 

[Elixir]

Yes, they stopped evolving when they invented Zero.

You mean when they were taught about zero by the Indians, who invented it?

Thank you for the correction... if it's correct. This is from "Live Science" (bold added):

Zero was invented independently by the Babylonians, Mayans and Indians (although some researchers say the Indian number system was influenced by the Babylonians). The Babylonians got their number system from the Sumerians, the first people in the world to develop a counting system.

Maybe their zero was square, and the Indians get credit for rounding the corners.

 

[Syed]

so do bird learned to fly?

What do you even mean?

Do you mean "was one individual bird born without the capability of flight, but learned it in its lifetime?"?

Or do you mean, "did the ancestors of modern birds evolve, over many, many generations, the structures and abilities necessary for flight?"?

The answers, in the same order as the questions, are: "no, don't be ridiculous" and "yes, that sounds more like it".

just explain what caused bird to fly from walking bird to flying bird ?

 

[OLDMAN]

What do you even mean?

Do you mean "was one individual bird born without the capability of flight, but learned it in its lifetime?"?

Or do you mean, "did the ancestors of modern birds evolve, over many, many generations, the structures and abilities necessary for flight?"?

The answers, in the same order as the questions, are: "no, don't be ridiculous" and "yes, that sounds more like it".

just explain what caused bird to fly from walking bird to flying bird ?

Flying is often a survival advantage, all classes of animals have examples of flying creatures. Mammals (bats) Birds, fish, even reptiles and amphibians. Evolution doesn't choose any one method it is whatever happens to work for a species that helps make the creature survive, is what we end up with...keep in mind we are looking into the past when we look at fossils.

 

[Syed]

just explain what caused bird to fly from walking bird to flying bird ?

Flying is often a survival advantage, all classes of animals have examples of flying creatures. Mammals (bats) Birds, fish, even reptiles and amphibians. Evolution doesn't choose any one method it is whatever happens to work for a species that helps make the creature survive, is what we end up with...keep in mind we are looking into the past when we look at fossils.

survival of fittest makes no sense, bird dont NEED to fly to survive

you just prove evolution is bs

 

[Ford]

What do you even mean?

Do you mean "was one individual bird born without the capability of flight, but learned it in its lifetime?"?

Or do you mean, "did the ancestors of modern birds evolve, over many, many generations, the structures and abilities necessary for flight?"?

The answers, in the same order as the questions, are: "no, don't be ridiculous" and "yes, that sounds more like it".

just explain what caused bird to fly from walking bird to flying bird ?

What caused human to become troll? Was human born with troll ability? Or did human learn troll? Was human granted troll ability by deity, and why deity such asshole?

 

[C_Mucius_Scaevola]

Flying is often a survival advantage, all classes of animals have examples of flying creatures. Mammals (bats) Birds, fish, even reptiles and amphibians. Evolution doesn't choose any one method it is whatever happens to work for a species that helps make the creature survive, is what we end up with...keep in mind we are looking into the past when we look at fossils.

survival of fittest makes no sense, bird dont NEED to fly to survive

you just prove evolution is bs

You just proved you don't understand evolution (not that any more proof was needed). It's not about necessity, it's about what works. Also, "survival of the fittest" doesn't mean what you probably think it means.

 

[Keith&Co.]

survival of fittest makes no sense,

Oh, my GOD, Syed. After 165 posts in this thread, you believe the same thing you believed at the start!
What a surprise!

bird dont NEED to fly to survive

As we keep telling you.
Mice do not fly, they survive.
Bats fly, they survive.

Penguins do not fly, they survive.
Sparrows fly, they survive.

Cobras do not fly, they survive.
Flying snakes glide, they survive.

Trout pop up into the air, a bit, but don't fly and survive.
Flying fish pop up into the air with enthusiasm, and survive.

The whole thing is both simpler and more complicated than your questions.

you just prove evolution is bs

No, you're just not willing to understand it.

 

[Syed]

evolution is a atheist's holy trinity its a mystery

you have to be atheist to understand mystery of evolution

btw

i believe there are SOME animal that god evolved them to other animals

 

[DBT]

There are transitional fossils and the geological record. Microbes Pre-Cambrian followed by multi cellular organisms during the Cambrian and so on.....which paints a clear picture of natural evolution rather than special Creation.

Which, Syed, means that you don't have a leg to stand on.

 

[another1]

How DID things come to fly? Assume evolution is something that happens for a moment. Did a pack of awkward lizards jump off cliffs for thousands of years - until one day they had enough feathers to fly? What was driving them to jump? What kind of "will" would be behind that, and where would that will come from?

 

[Keith&Co.]

evolution is a atheist's holy trinity

Well, that's bullshit. Atheists can hardly get 'there might not be a god' on the side of a bus.
There's no way atheists alone could get a footnote in the textbooks, much less take over biology.

its a mystery

Just like everything else....

you have to be atheist to understand mystery of evolution

Again, clearly in opposition to the facts. 90% of all scientists in the US accept it, about half of them are not atheists.

i believe there are SOME animal that god evolved them to other animals

So...only atheists believe in evolution, you accept some evolution.

You're stepping on your own dick again, Syed.

 

[Syed]

How DID things come to fly? Assume evolution is something that happens for a moment. Did a pack of awkward lizards jump off cliffs for thousands of years - until one day they had enough feathers to fly? What was driving them to jump? What kind of "will" would be behind that, and where would that will come from?

evolution is holy mystery you just need some faith to believe in

btw

i love your reasoning

 

[Keith&Co.]

Syed, just because you refuse to learn the theory doesn't mean that it's actually a mystery.

Much like grammar. It's not all that mysterious despite your failure to employ it.

 

[C_Mucius_Scaevola]

How DID things come to fly? Assume evolution is something that happens for a moment. Did a pack of awkward lizards jump off cliffs for thousands of years - until one day they had enough feathers to fly? What was driving them to jump? What kind of "will" would be behind that, and where would that will come from?

I'll leave any detailed description of the evolution of flight to someone more versed in it than myself. I'll just say that it has no connection to your "cliff-jumping lizards" proposal. And since flight has evolved more than once (birds, bats, pterosaurs), there's no one simple answer. There's "trees-down" flight evolution, where gliding from tree to tree developed into true flight, and there's "ground-up" flight evolution, where first skin flaps on the forelimbs assisted with thrust in running up inclines - or, in the case of ground-dwelling birds, helped them "stick" to trunks of trees they ran up. These are all much more plausible, and well-evidenced, explanations than some deity poofing flying creatures into existence one day.

 

[LordKiran]

How DID things come to fly? Assume evolution is something that happens for a moment. Did a pack of awkward lizards jump off cliffs for thousands of years - until one day they had enough feathers to fly? What was driving them to jump? What kind of "will" would be behind that, and where would that will come from?

Feathers started out on reptiles as a means of heat retention, much like fur does on mammals today.

As time went on, certain species of such reptiles gained traits that were conducive to short term gliding, which then later becomes full flight.

See? Not so mysterious at all!

How DID things come to fly? Assume evolution is something that happens for a moment. Did a pack of awkward lizards jump off cliffs for thousands of years - until one day they had enough feathers to fly? What was driving them to jump? What kind of "will" would be behind that, and where would that will come from?

I'll leave any detailed description of the evolution of flight to someone more versed in it than myself. I'll just say that it has no connection to your "cliff-jumping lizards" proposal. And since flight has evolved more than once (birds, bats, pterosaurs), there's no one simple answer. There's "trees-down" flight evolution, where gliding from tree to tree developed into true flight, and there's "ground-up" flight evolution, where first skin flaps on the forelimbs assisted with thrust in running up inclines - or, in the case of ground-dwelling birds, helped them "stick" to trunks of trees they ran up. These are all much more plausible, and well-evidenced, explanations than some deity poofing flying creatures into existence one day.

Or basically what he said. Much more comprehensive than my explanation of the gist.

 

[Syed]

How DID things come to fly? Assume evolution is something that happens for a moment. Did a pack of awkward lizards jump off cliffs for thousands of years - until one day they had enough feathers to fly? What was driving them to jump? What kind of "will" would be behind that, and where would that will come from?

Feathers started out on reptiles as a means of heat retention, much like fur does on mammals today.


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so why didn't ALL reptiles have feathers? its a holy mystery

holy trinity is made up doctrine, so does holy evolution made up doctrine

 

[LordKiran]

Feathers started out on reptiles as a means of heat retention, much like fur does on mammals today.


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so why didn't ALL reptiles have feathers? its a holy mystery

holy trinity is made up doctrine, so does holy evolution doctrine

I dunno, why don't ALL mammals have fur? Different creatures evolve differently to survive and thrive in different environments. It doesn't make them ALL the same.

 

[Keith&Co.]

its a holy mystery

Repeating it doesn't make it true, Syed.

holy trinity is made up doctrine, so does holy evolution doctrine

Would be comparable to holy writ, if not for all the evidence that supports it.

 

[Kharakov]

There are transitional fossils and the geological record. Microbes Pre-Cambrian followed by multi cellular organisms during the Cambrian and so on.....which paints a clear picture of natural evolution rather than special Creation.

Which, Syed, means that you don't have a leg to stand on.

Some of us haven't evolved legs yet, you neo-appendagist.