who is a muslim?

[sdelsolray]

ATHEISM

The belief that there was once absolutely nothing. And nothing happened to the nothing until then nothing magically exploded (for no reason), creating everything and everywhere. Then a bunch of the exploded everything magically rearranged itself (for no reason whatsoever), into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs.

Plagiarism as defined by Google:

the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own.

Based on your posting history, you are clearly not the author of these statements. Plagiarizing other people's work is against the forum's Terms of Use.

Here are two sources of Syed's apparent plagiarism, there are several more:

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20120222164608AAebZUn

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/481322278905900849/

 

[funinspace]

yes,

you give a candy to 4 years old kid and tell kid not to eat , you knew what will kid do with the candy, your knowing does not mean kid don't have a chose

My, what a bullshit response. You're reducing God's knowledge of the future to my ability to extrapolate some actions based on some experience with a certain part of the population.
that is nothing at all like your description of your god's foreknowledge.

If I turn my back on the kids for a period of time, I do not KNOW what rule they will break, though I am confident they will break at least one.


And, you're saying that God leaving the kids in the Garden of Eden was about as irresponsible as giving candy to a child and forbidding them to eat it.

Thereby, it is fine to beat your children to near death and to starve them as punishment....

 

[fast]

Yes, it is possible, logically possible, that is. That you will do something doesn't infer that you must do something.

I don't think they're two discrete things, though.
God already knows exactly what I will do.
Not what I might do, or have the opportunity to do or am fated to do. The film is already in the can

Right, He knows what you will do. That the choices you'll make will happen the way He knows you'll make them doesn't turn contingent events into necessary events. It's not as if His knowledge of events is causing said events. The bad guy could have chosen a different path. He had the choice to act of his own free will. That God could not have been mistaken about what the bad guy would do doesn't show he had no real non-illusory choice.

 

[Methinx]

Your 'knowing' is not the same as God's knowing, god's knowing is supposed to be infallible.

Answer this: Is it possible to do other than what god knows you will do?

ws.

Yes, it is possible, logically possible, that is. That you will do something doesn't infer that you must do something.

Logic is not relevant to this argument.
If God knows you will pick the blue one then it is impossible for you to pick the red one.
Not logically impossible, just "factually" impossible.

 

[fast]

Yes, it is possible, logically possible, that is. That you will do something doesn't infer that you must do something.

Logic is not relevant to this argument.
If God knows you will pick the blue one then it is impossible for you to pick the red one.
Not logically impossible, just "factually" impossible.

Actually no, it is still physically possible. It won't actually happen, but actuality has no impact on possibility.

 

[abaddon]

If god is all-knowing and all-powerful then he knows all the causes that will affect your “choice” and as the creator he has arranged them to be as they are. For an all-powerful being to know what you’re going to do is to allow you to do it thus making everything everyone does into the creator's choice. If all you will do is known by god then god chooses that at the point of setting all the cause-effect links that lead to it in motion.

If you know a kid will eat the candy then giving it to him caused the event and the culpability is with the giver.

 

[Syed]

human have freewill to rape or not to rape

Da fuck, dude? Make up your mind what your argument is. You just said that humans can't do anything that God didn't intend us to do. How then can we use our free will to commit a rape unless God intended us to commit that rape?

killing, raping, stealing, lying, ect are choice under freewill

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Da fuck, dude? Make up your mind what your argument is. You just said that humans can't do anything that God didn't intend us to do. How then can we use our free will to commit a rape unless God intended us to commit that rape?

killing, raping, stealing, lying, ect are choice under freewill

All people are not the same and a lot of what makes us who we are is genetic and influenced by the environment... ie stuff that we have little control over. God on the other hand...

Regardless, it seems a bit silly to judge everyone on the same scale when so much that wasn't within our control makes us who we become.

Which brings me back to the original statement about Allah and interfering. Allah creates the universe and man... and natural disasters or at least an ecosystem that causes natural disasters. Then Allah just sits back and gets all judgemental? Has Allah tried living in man's shoes? No. So Allah creates this ungodly imperfect world and then gets upset when people don't do everything he wants. So what is his problem?! It is like he a Slum Lord.

 

[Syed]

The belief that there was once absolutely nothing. And nothing happened to the nothing until then nothing magically exploded (for no reason), creating everything and everywhere. Then a bunch of the exploded everything magically rearranged itself (for no reason whatsoever), into self-replicating bits which then turned into dinosaurs.

THEISM

The belief that there was once absolutely nothing except an all-powerful being. And the being got bored and poofed everything into existence (for no reason), creating everything and everywhere. Then a bunch of the magically created everything ate a fruit (because it was told not to), and now the all-powerful being will fuck you up for all time if you put your penis/vagina in the wrong place.

mine is better than your

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From the OP:

( human can NOT do anything that god's didn't INTENDED us to do )

So then being an atheist must be the will of God!

no, under freewill

 

[Syed]

yes,

you give a candy to 4 years old kid and tell kid not to eat , you knew what will kid do with the candy, your knowing does not mean kid don't have a chose

Your 'knowing' is not the same as God's knowing, god's knowing is supposed to be infallible.

Answer this: Is it possible to do other than what god knows you will do?

ws.

let me answer this way does god knows a baby will grow up and kill someone ? NO because god gave freewill to that child

 

[Keith&Co.]

killing, raping, stealing, lying, ect are choice under freewill

Yes, but a famous philosopher HAS said:

human can NOT do anything that god's didn't INTENDED us to do

So if we rape, that guy's god intended us to rape.
If we atheist, that guy's god intended us to atheist.

That's what Syed said.

 

[fast]

Your 'knowing' is not the same as God's knowing, god's knowing is supposed to be infallible.

Answer this: Is it possible to do other than what god knows you will do?

ws.

let me answer this way does god knows a baby will grow up and kill someone ? NO because god gave freewill to that child

God knows everything. He gave freewill to that child, yes. His knowing what a child will do doesn't mean He causes the child to do what he will.

 

[Keith&Co.]

let me answer this way does god knows a baby will grow up and kill someone ? NO because god gave freewill to that child

But according to the religious authority in the OP;

human can NOT do anything that god's didn't INTENDED us to do

God knew we were going to walk on the moon, god INTENDED us to walk on the moon.
God knew that kid would grow up and kill, god INTENDED that kid to grow up and kill.

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His knowing what a child will do doesn't mean He causes the child to do what he will.

Except if you accept Syed's firm assertion that all we do is what God intended us to done.

 

[Angry Floof]

But according to the religious authority in the OP;

human can NOT do anything that god's didn't INTENDED us to do

God knew we were going to walk on the moon, god INTENDED us to walk on the moon.
God knew that kid would grow up and kill, god INTENDED that kid to grow up and kill.

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His knowing what a child will do doesn't mean He causes the child to do what he will.

Except if you accept Syed's firm assertion that all we do is what God intended us to done.

God INTENDED for me to say that Syed is a butt rash on humanity's nether regions.

 

[Syed]

And what does God himself say?

"Nothing shall ever happen to us except what God has ordained for us." (Quran 9:51)

Not a leaf falls but that He knows it. And no grain is there within the darkness of the earth and no moist or dry [thing] but that is [written] in a clear record.” (Quran 6:59)

all are correct in their own context

below is a example of human's freewill NOT predestine

" If it had been thy Lord's will, they would all have believed,- all who are on earth! wilt thou then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! Chapter 10 Yunus: Verse 99"

 

[fast]

But according to the religious authority in the OP;

human can NOT do anything that god's didn't INTENDED us to do

God knew we were going to walk on the moon, god INTENDED us to walk on the moon.
God knew that kid would grow up and kill, god INTENDED that kid to grow up and kill.

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His knowing what a child will do doesn't mean He causes the child to do what he will.

Except if you accept Syed's firm assertion that all we do is what God intended us to done.

He's wrong about that. He's also wrong about insects being [M]uslims.

 

[Syed]

yes,

you give a candy to 4 years old kid and tell kid not to eat , you knew what will kid do with the candy, your knowing does not mean kid don't have a chose

My, what a bullshit response. You're reducing God's knowledge of the future to my ability to extrapolate some actions based on some experience with a certain part of the population.
that is nothing at all like your description of your god's foreknowledge.

If I turn my back on the kids for a period of time, I do not KNOW what rule they will break, though I am confident they will break at least one.


And, you're saying that God leaving the kids in the Garden of Eden was about as irresponsible as giving candy to a child and forbidding them to eat it.

the meaning of freewill is god does not know what will you do in future

 

[fast]

My, what a bullshit response. You're reducing God's knowledge of the future to my ability to extrapolate some actions based on some experience with a certain part of the population.
that is nothing at all like your description of your god's foreknowledge.

If I turn my back on the kids for a period of time, I do not KNOW what rule they will break, though I am confident they will break at least one.


And, you're saying that God leaving the kids in the Garden of Eden was about as irresponsible as giving candy to a child and forbidding them to eat it.

the meaning of freewill is god does not know what will you do in future

Freewill is the ability to do as we please without compulsion. God doesn't compell us to act by knowing how we will act.

 

[Syed]

If god is all-knowing and all-powerful then he knows all the causes that will affect your “choice” and as the creator he has arranged them to be as they are. For an all-powerful being to know what you’re going to do is to allow you to do it thus making everything everyone does into the creator's choice. If all you will do is known by god then god chooses that at the point of setting all the cause-effect links that lead to it in motion.

If you know a kid will eat the candy then giving it to him caused the event and the culpability is with the giver.

how does god knows that kid will eat the candy?
did god programed kid to eat candy?

 

[Syed]

killing, raping, stealing, lying, ect are choice under freewill

All people are not the same and a lot of what makes us who we are is genetic and influenced by the environment... ie stuff that we have little control over. God on the other hand...

Regardless, it seems a bit silly to judge everyone on the same scale when so much that wasn't within our control makes us who we become.

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god will forgive all our small sin except our big sin