What is a Social Justice Warrior?

[Arctish]

bae looks like a Poe.

 

[Angry Floof]

Authoritarianism is very rare among people who hold liberal values and ideology.

I thought that too, until I encountered the modern college campus replete with safe spaces, trigger warnings, etc. That group is definitely full on authoritarian. They demand that everybody march in lock step with them, and are as tribal and authoritarian as the christian far right. There is no room for freedom of speech or even freedom of thought in that gang. Schools have bowed down to it to a scary degree. I was shocked to encounter it, but it is here. You can have authoritarian left.

I disagree that authoritarianism is so deeply infused on the left, but I would take that over right wing authoritarianism any day.

Did you happen to watch the video in the "Trump supporter focus group" thread?

You will not find that blind adherence to authority widespread among leftists, following any and all inhumane treatment of anyone the authority suggests should be marginalized, punished, or eliminated. You will not find "leftists" of any stripe advocating to put electric collars on any group of people, or locking them in porta potties or poisoning their water to lower their IQ just because their authority figure suggested it.

You WILL find that quite common among otherwise decent, ordinary people (not extremists or religious fundamentalists necessarily) among the right wing and conservatives, that tendency to go along with anything to punish out-groups. Watch that video if you want to know what an authoritarian mind acts like in real life. "Leftists" can at least articulate the issues, regardless of whether you or I like their views, and they can do so without appealing to any authority. Not one person in that video could articulate any issue beyond "build a wall!!!!!!1111!!" or explain why they supported Trump outside of the tired and vapid "he speaks his mind" sound byte.

You can find an e-book about the research on this kind of mentality in my signature. It's not just a negligible percentage or fringe, either. You're concerned about authoritarianism? You better fucking be worried about these people.

 

[blastula]

This pretty much epitomizes today's SJW PC nonsense. She's worrying about offending fuckin' babies who don't even understand language yet!

This is the kind of stupid shit we are referring to when talking about SJWs. Not black people being denied the right to drink from any water fountain they choose.

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And let's not forget this social justice warrior for the Mexicans!

http://www.collegehumor.com/post/7037314/this-guy-thinks-may-the-fourth-is-cinco-de-mayo

Some people who use SJW as an epithet are very gullible.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

And yet another demonstration that some people will never develop past weak insults. Pitiful. That's all you've got.

The problem with political correctness is it stifles debate and conversation.

Quick! Need that jpg with the owl saying Oh Really, but in some weird speak sort of way.

Wasn't the whole term of PC adopted by the right-wing to actually stigmatize the idea of changing or updating how we interact with each other?

According to the video you posted, PC is okay because you're only calling out jerks. But attacking someone as a jerk, or otherwise, is not an argument. An argument requires a substantive response to that which you are critiquing.

We've been waiting for substance from the right-wing for 35 years!

 

[Deepak]

 

[thebeave]

Authoritarianism is very rare among people who hold liberal values and ideology.

I thought that too, until I encountered the modern college campus replete with safe spaces, trigger warnings, etc. That group is definitely full on authoritarian. They demand that everybody march in lock step with them, and are as tribal and authoritarian as the christian far right. There is no room for freedom of speech or even freedom of thought in that gang. Schools have bowed down to it to a scary degree. I was shocked to encounter it, but it is here. You can have authoritarian left.

Your comment dovetails quite nicely into an article Sargon of Akkad posted on a recent "This Week In Stupid" series, about an online feminist community out of Oxford, called "Cuntry Living":

https://heatst.com/world/cuntry-living-even-feminists-are-attacking-the-uks-most-notorious-safe-space/

http://thetab.com/uk/oxford/2014/11/24/tab-exclusive-investigation-reveals-cuntry-living-users-nervous-post-19904

An investigation carried out last year by The Tab Oxford, on the people the group was founded for, discovered that people weren’t posting in the group, simply because they were too scared of the constantly frenetic and aggressive atmosphere. 160 of the 270 respondents said they had never posted on the group before, even though 70 per cent of them said they had something to post. And over half of those who have never posted admitted they hadn’t done so because they “felt too nervous”. The atmosphere was described as “militant”, “toxic” and “hostile”, and many felt Cuntry Living could not function as both a “safe space” and a discussion group, that this conflict could often lead to issues such as what one called “authoritarian moderating”.

Authoritarianism is alive and well among liberals.

 

[Enigma]

I thought that too, until I encountered the modern college campus replete with safe spaces, trigger warnings, etc. That group is definitely full on authoritarian. They demand that everybody march in lock step with them, and are as tribal and authoritarian as the christian far right. There is no room for freedom of speech or even freedom of thought in that gang. Schools have bowed down to it to a scary degree. I was shocked to encounter it, but it is here. You can have authoritarian left.

I disagree that authoritarianism is so deeply infused on the left, but I would take that over right wing authoritarianism any day.

Did you happen to watch the video in the "Trump supporter focus group" thread?

You will not find that blind adherence to authority widespread among leftists, following any and all inhumane treatment of anyone the authority suggests should be marginalized, punished, or eliminated. You will not find "leftists" of any stripe advocating to put electric collars on any group of people, or locking them in porta potties or poisoning their water to lower their IQ just because their authority figure suggested it.

You WILL find that quite common among otherwise decent, ordinary people (not extremists or religious fundamentalists necessarily) among the right wing and conservatives, that tendency to go along with anything to punish out-groups. Watch that video if you want to know what an authoritarian mind acts like in real life. "Leftists" can at least articulate the issues, regardless of whether you or I like their views, and they can do so without appealing to any authority. Not one person in that video could articulate any issue beyond "build a wall!!!!!!1111!!" or explain why they supported Trump outside of the tired and vapid "he speaks his mind" sound byte.

You can find an e-book about the research on this kind of mentality in my signature. It's not just a negligible percentage or fringe, either. You're concerned about authoritarianism? You better fucking be worried about these people.

Indeed, the outgroup is quite a bunch of stupid violent idiots who are so incredibly mindless that all they can do is follow the first idiot who has a big enough voice to call down hatred on those they don't like.

That is so completely unlike us in the ingroup who instead have a wide diversity of people, ranging from people who think about things to people who, even if they aren't the sharpest sledgehammer in the shed, forcefully advocate for our principles.

I don't think there is any badness within the ingroup, and even if there is badness within the ingroup, as long as it is properly directed towards the outgroup, that badness will be used for the greater good which is more than can be said for that outgroup badness which is just bad. As long as it is targeted correctly, then I think we can all agree that "there is (almost) no such thing as a bad tactic - only bad targets.". At least I hope we can agree on that. I hear that the ingroup member who said that makes Youtube videos that help affirm that being a person who is not in the outgroup is a good thing.

 

[Angry Floof]

I disagree that authoritarianism is so deeply infused on the left, but I would take that over right wing authoritarianism any day.

Did you happen to watch the video in the "Trump supporter focus group" thread?

You will not find that blind adherence to authority widespread among leftists, following any and all inhumane treatment of anyone the authority suggests should be marginalized, punished, or eliminated. You will not find "leftists" of any stripe advocating to put electric collars on any group of people, or locking them in porta potties or poisoning their water to lower their IQ just because their authority figure suggested it.

You WILL find that quite common among otherwise decent, ordinary people (not extremists or religious fundamentalists necessarily) among the right wing and conservatives, that tendency to go along with anything to punish out-groups. Watch that video if you want to know what an authoritarian mind acts like in real life. "Leftists" can at least articulate the issues, regardless of whether you or I like their views, and they can do so without appealing to any authority. Not one person in that video could articulate any issue beyond "build a wall!!!!!!1111!!" or explain why they supported Trump outside of the tired and vapid "he speaks his mind" sound byte.

You can find an e-book about the research on this kind of mentality in my signature. It's not just a negligible percentage or fringe, either. You're concerned about authoritarianism? You better fucking be worried about these people.

Indeed, the outgroup is quite a bunch of stupid violent idiots who are so incredibly mindless that all they can do is follow the first idiot who has a big enough voice to call down hatred on those they don't like.

That is so completely unlike us in the ingroup who instead have a wide diversity of people, ranging from people who think about things to people who, even if they aren't the sharpest sledgehammer in the shed, forcefully advocate for our principles.

I don't think there is any badness within the ingroup, and even if there is badness within the ingroup, as long as it is properly directed towards the outgroup, that badness will be used for the greater good which is more than can be said for that outgroup badness which is just bad. As long as it is targeted correctly, then I think we can all agree that "there is (almost) no such thing as a bad tactic - only bad targets.". At least I hope we can agree on that. I hear that the ingroup member who said that makes Youtube videos that help affirm that being a person who is not in the outgroup is a good thing.

None of this addresses what I'm talking about. We are not talking about fringe people or a negligible percentage of "whackos" you find in any group. We are talking about a widespread mentality. The video is of real people, ordinary people, otherwise good people, who demonstrate the right wing authoritarian follower mentality. If you think that phrase applies to leftists, you could not be more wrong, and the evidence of your being wrong is there in the video and right there at the link in my signature. Among liberals, only a rare few would actually meet the criteria while among conservatives it is dominant and widespread.

Your post reveals that you don't know anything about the research on this dangerous phenomenon. It doesn't confirm your "they're just as bad" nonsense, so it may be uncomfortable for you to read it. I challenge you to try.

 

[Eldarion Lathria]

Phil Ochs nailed one variety of Social Justice Wanker fifty years ago.



Eldarion Lathria

 

[iolo]

It is like 'political correctness' - a simple lie, to cover decency in any form with rightist spittle. The Nazis learned from Goebbels that if you are going to tell lies, tell the biggest you can.

We all know who the biggest bullies are. Heil Trump and the KKK and death to decency!

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Floof(why be angry?),

I said that authoritarianism is exists in the left, and is part of what political correct is and what the regressive left is. My point stands and you did not address it. As an actual liberal it causes me distress, as it hijacks actual social progress.

Is the far right even more authoritarian? Absolutely. They shake guns instead of demanding people be fired. But we need not polarize on this. The phenomenon does exist on all sides. Groupthink, authoritarianism, and tribalism exist all over the place and needs to be addressed as a phenomenon.

 

[Angry Floof]

Floof(why be angry?),

I said that authoritarianism is exists in the left, and is part of what political correct is and what the regressive left is. My point stands and you did not address it. As an actual liberal it causes me distress, as it hijacks actual social progress.

Is the far right even more authoritarian? Absolutely. They shake guns instead of demanding people be fired. But we need not polarize on this. The phenomenon does exist on all sides. Groupthink, authoritarianism, and tribalism exist all over the place and needs to be addressed as a phenomenon.

Right wing authoritarian follower mentality does not exist in equal measure across all groups. That is not only false, but a glossing over of reality that perpetuates polarity.

Downplaying the role of the right in our current political climate is nothing more than an exercise in how far you can stretch your blind spot to cover up more. Conscience requires the opposite.

Those things ARE a phenomenon. It's called right wing authoritarianism, and it can be described in terms of cognitive science. In a nutshell, it's the tendency to replace one's own conscience with an authority believed to be right and truthful in every word and judgment.

The general idea of "groupthink" applies to all of us. We all have the capacity for all kinds of socially influenced behaviors. But those behaviors do not usually include ganging up to punish or eliminate out groups. That is a uniquely conservative phenomenon. It is rare among liberals.

This phenomenon is heavily correlated with right wing ideology and absolutist religion. The conservative mind utilizes cognitive pitfalls and ignorance of itself in place of reason or questioning.

Maybe I should mention that I also disagree with academic choking of ideas because some ideological groups think they have a right to shut out competing ideas. But that opinion is not even relevant to the nature of widespread, dangerous authoritarian ideology or where it comes from.

We have the research literature that has been going on for decades. Get familiar with it. We have a whole population of examples, and the video posted earlier is an excellent real world example.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Floof(why be angry?),

There are some pretty good reasons to be angry when anti-intellectualism has dug its claws so deep into society.

 

[Angry Floof]

Floof(why be angry?),

There are some pretty good reasons to be angry when anti-intellectualism has dug its claws so deep into society.

To put it mildly.

 

[blastula]

"Political Correct" is a bullshit right-wing term to demonize the idea that people should be a bit more sensitive to interacting with other people.

No, political correctness is a useful term for demands for over-sensitivity and shutting down debate out of desire not to offend certain groups. And another ingredient of political correctness is the double standard, the way this oversensitivity is demanded for certain groups only, while it is perfectly PC to insult white, heterosexual cis-men.

You're both wrong. It's a term used by whiners who pretend to value free speech but what they really only care about is to be able to speak without enduring criticism.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Right wing authoritarian follower mentality does not exist in equal measure across all groups. That is not only false, but a glossing over of reality that perpetuates polarity.

I do believe I didn't say that it did exist in equal measure. Take another read maybe?

Downplaying the role of the right in our current political climate is nothing more than an exercise in how far you can stretch your blind spot to cover up more. Conscience requires the opposite.

But my text you quoted wasn't about the right. It was about the left. Right wing authoritarianism is obvious. Left wing apparently you don't want to admit exists? Pointing that somebody else does it more doesn't mean the one in question doesn't do it.

In a nutshell, it's the tendency to replace one's own conscience with an authority believed to be right and truthful in every word and judgment.

Why does that have to be right wing? That sounds like religious obedience to me. I had a long thread about it on a muslim forum recently and they seemed completely incapable of distinguishing being good from obeying ultimate power. They were both on the right and left of the spectrum (as much as Muslims can be anyway)

 

[Angry Floof]

I do believe I didn't say that it did exist in equal measure. Take another read maybe?

You're saying that authoritarianism is also a problem of liberals. It isn't.

Downplaying the role of the right in our current political climate is nothing more than an exercise in how far you can stretch your blind spot to cover up more. Conscience requires the opposite.

But this isn't about the right. This is about the left. Pointing that somebody else does it more doesn't mean the one in question doesn't do it.

It isn't a problem with the left no matter how much you repeat the assertion.

Fear and ignorance create conservative minds. Conservative minds are attracted to conservative ideologies. Conservative ideologies reinforce the traits of conservative minds.

I've listed the criteria and traits so many times that you shouldn't have to go far to look them up if you're interested.

All humans have the capacity for those traits, but that doesn't mean it's a problem with everyone, and repeating the nonsense that it's also a problem with liberals is bullshit and offers nothing to the conversation except a lame attempt to distort the nature of the problem.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

For the damaged mongrels among us:

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQCNS4eGmuY[/YOUTUBE]

Is this the video you were talking about? I skipped over it, as I'm pretty sure its the one that whines about "PC" and how people saying "PC" just want an excuse to hate on people... which I don't find convincing, find to be an attempt to completely dodge the actual points being made regarding free speech, and an attempt to shut people down without listening to what they have to say, and branding them bigots, etc. I find that rather censor-happy and veering towards authoritarianism.

Or is there another I missed? I tend to skip over videos that are posted while people like laughing dog are trolling. They tend to be less than interesting. You may have something worth watching though? I did read an early paper on right wing authoritarianism about 5 years ago when I was studying such things in school.

 

[Angry Floof]

For the damaged mongrels among us:

[YOUTUBE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQCNS4eGmuY[/YOUTUBE]

Is this the video you were talking about? I skipped over it, as I'm pretty sure its the one that whines about "PC" and how people saying "PC" just want an excuse to hate on people... which I don't find convincing, find to be an attempt to completely dodge the actual points being made regarding free speech, and an attempt to shut people down without listening to what they have to say, and branding them bigots, etc. I find that rather censor-happy and veering towards authoritarianism.

Or is there another I missed? I tend to skip over videos that are posted while people like laughing dog are trolling. They tend to be less than interesting. You may have something worth watching though? I did read an early paper on right wing authoritarianism about 5 years ago when I was studying such things in school.

No, I wasn't talking about this one, but I knew you wouldn't sit through that. I should have put money on it.

I was talking about this one: https://youtu.be/6MubunsD-7g. It's a comedy video, but those are real Trump supporters so casually expressing support for some not just ridiculous but inhumane treatment of Mexicans. The only things that gave anyone pause were abortion term limits and worry about how Trump would ensure that the porta potty traps for Mexicans wouldn't accidentally trap a Trump supporter. That's it. That's the extent of these people's questioning of the heinous and completely stupid ideas they were willing to support.

The makers of the video made no claim about RWAs or the research, but that's only because they don't have to. The research bears out every bit of what you see in that video and what we see and hear from the right on a minute by minute basis these days.

Those are not fringe examples. Those are ordinary people we meet and live with and work with every day. They are not exceptions. In our current political climate, they are the rule on the right.

The link to the book on the research is below in my signature. I would suggest reading that first.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

No, I wasn't talking about this one, but I knew you wouldn't sit through that. I should have put money on it.

I did watch it the first time I came across it. You are not the first to post it here. I stand by what I wrote above about it. It is an attempt to dismiss all allegations of "PC" as mere excuses for bigotry, which is a blanket refusal to listen to people and a branding of them as bigots.... which isn't very liberal (in the classic sense).

Triumph the insult comic dog is pretty funny yes. And yes, Trump supporters are crazy full of hate. This isn't news. Your claim that it represents the norm on the right is a big claim... and I think it is refuted by the throngs of conservatives who reject Trump, including many of the leaders of his own party, to the point that they are in panic over him having won the party nomination.

And son long as we're looking at this dog's vids, here's one on the PC ridiculouslness and regressive left, etc.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j556MWGVVqI

They've making fun of both extremes.