What Happened?

[Jason Harvestdancer]

So ... isn't it true that none of these "crazies" fired a shot?

How mean of them to hold a protest without killing anyone. The anti-gun fanatics must be so disappointed.

 

[ZiprHead]

So ... isn't it true that none of these "crazies" fired a shot?

How mean of them to hold a protest without killing anyone. The anti-gun fanatics must be so disappointed.

Someone comes to your door wanting to have a "conversation". He is holding an AR 15 rifle. That's not really going to be a conversation.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

So ... isn't it true that none of these "crazies" fired a shot?

How mean of them to hold a protest without killing anyone. The anti-gun fanatics must be so disappointed.

Someone comes to your door wanting to have a "conversation". He is holding an AR 15 rifle. That's not really going to be a conversation.

So nobody ever has a conversation with any agent of the government, good to know.

These people appear to be returning the favor.

It is clear you are disappointed that this was a bloodless protest.

 

[TV and credit cards]

So ... isn't it true that none of these "crazies" fired a shot?

How mean of them to hold a protest without killing anyone. The anti-gun fanatics must be so disappointed.

That’s not what they’re there for. They are there to look intimidating, to get their irresponsible, emotionally insecure, juvenile faces on TV.

 

[ZiprHead]

So ... isn't it true that none of these "crazies" fired a shot?

How mean of them to hold a protest without killing anyone. The anti-gun fanatics must be so disappointed.

Someone comes to your door wanting to have a "conversation". He is holding an AR 15 rifle. That's not really going to be a conversation.

So nobody ever has a conversation with any agent of the government, good to know.

These people appear to be returning the favor.

It is clear you are disappointed that this was a bloodless protest.

I've had police come to my door several times. None of them was in their GI Joe cosplay outfit carrying an AR 15.

You seem to object to uniformed police being intimidating yet you support poorly trained fucknuts doing even worse.

 

[Derec]

Back on topic - If this was equivalent to the Black Panther incident during the sixties, would it be safe to assume that legislators would be just as enthusiastic and motivated to sign in legislation to make sure nothing like this could happen again? I mean if they are the same, what's stopping them? What's the difference between the two? Why would people be terrified when these people turn up, but these people are "very fine people"?

While I think we need better gun laws and that allowing armed protests is a bad idea, there is still a big difference between these Michigan shutdown protesters and Black Panthers.

Black Panthers wanted to overthrow the US government and impose a Maoist dictatorship. They also wanted to institute their own version of Rassengesetze. One of the demands from their 10 point program were things like releasing all black criminals from jails and prisons, state and federal alike. Another was to make black people exempt from all taxation.
So nothing like these armed Michiganders.

PS: your links are broken.

 

[Derec]

The better question is why do you post negatively about the black communists doing it, as if black communists are any worse than white Nazis.

I do not think they are worse, but they are not better either.
However, they get a lot of undeserved praise in many quarters (such as PBS, academia, this forum etc.) where their crimes and misdeeds are also routinely ignored or downplayed.

Personally, I don't think anyone should be allowed to carry weapons inside a government building except the door guards. Black or white, it makes no difference.

I agree with that as much as I disagreeing with your racist language describing white people as "fragile", especially in context of black people complaining about "microaggressions" (such as complaining that a college professor corrects black students' grammar) all the time - talk about real Elijah Price-like fragility!

The real question is why do YOU suddenly care about them when the ammosexuals are black?

I actually oppose both. So no "suddenly" about it. I was just pointing out hypocrisy because the Panthers have many fans on here.

(It's not really a question BTW, we already know: your post drips of racism and hypocrisy).

Exactly the opposite actually.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

So nobody ever has a conversation with any agent of the government, good to know.

These people appear to be returning the favor.

It is clear you are disappointed that this was a bloodless protest.

I've had police come to my door several times. None of them was in their GI Joe cosplay outfit carrying an AR 15.

You seem to object to uniformed police being intimidating yet you support poorly trained fucknuts doing even worse.

You seem to forget that even if the police have their firearms holstered, or even if they leave their individual firearms behind, every single interaction with the police is backed by the threat of force. There is no exception to that.

So ... isn't it true that none of these "crazies" fired a shot?

How mean of them to hold a protest without killing anyone. The anti-gun fanatics must be so disappointed.

That’s not what they’re there for. They are there to look intimidating, to get their irresponsible, emotionally insecure, juvenile faces on TV.

I understand that you are disappointed.

 

[Derec]

So ... isn't it true that none of these "crazies" fired a shot?

Well, these crazies have not. Doesn't mean there haven't been shots fired in a different Corona-related episode in Michigan.

Family Dollar murder suspects arrested after a week on the run

The step-father and step-son accused of murdering a Family Dollar security guard in Flint one week ago have been arrested a week after the deadly shooting.
Larry Teague, left, and Ramonyea Bishop are charged with the murder of Family Dollar security guard Calvin Munerlyn.
Police arrested 44-year-old Larry Teague and 23-year-old Ramonyea Bishop a week after they allegedly shot and killed 43-year-old Calvin Munerlyn at the Family Dollar on Fifth Street.
[..]
Munerlyn was working as a security guard at the Family Dollar on May 1 when police said 24-year-old Brya Bishop, who is Ramonyea's brother, went to the store with her mother, 45-year-old Sharmel Teague, who is Larry's wife.
Brya Bishop was not wearing a face mask as required by Gov. Gretchen Whitmer's order and Family Dollar's store policy during the coronavirus pandemic, so Munerlyn confronted her.
Sharmel Teague allegedly got into an argument with Munerlyn about the policy and spit at him. She and Brya then left the store and Sharmel called Larry.
Investigators said Larry and Ramonyea came to the store about 20 minutes later and confronted Munerlyn. Witnesses told police they heard the suspects ask Munerlyn who had disrespected Sharmel.
During the argument, police say Ramonyea pulled out a gun and shot Munerlyn in the head. He died later that evening at Hurley Medical Center.
Larry and Ramonyea went on the run after the shooting. Police arrested Sharmel last weekend and Brya on Thursday.

But that doesn't fit the media narrative of who the biggest threat for violent crime is, so it gets relatively little press.

And in another example of shutdown craziness, two McDonalds workers in OKC were shot when they told a customer that the dining room was closed.
McDonald’s workers injured in shooting after customer saw dining area was closed, police say

But the shooter wasn't a vanilla-face, so of course it does not get publicized as much as it doesn't fit the "white people are a bunch of gun-toting crazies m-kay" narrative.

 

[ZiprHead]

You seem to forget that even if the police have their firearms holstered, or even if they leave their individual firearms behind, every single interaction with the police is backed by the threat of force. There is no exception to that.

What do you think the purpose of carrying AR 15s to the protests was. It was a threat of force, by untrained, irresponsible fuckwits.

 

[Derec]

I doubt you were alive when that happened. I was, and I lived in San Francisco at the time.

No, the Black Panther heyday was before my time. But the deadly Brinks robbery committed as a joint venture by Black Liberation Army (Black Panther successor group) and Weathermen (white leftist terrorists) was after my birth, if barely.

I didn't like that shit then and I don't like it even more now.

Good to hear. The Panthers have a lot of fans on here though - especially Athena, although I have not seen her post recently. I hope she is all right.

Plus, and completely independent of my dislike, those goons in MI are just plain stupid. They're responding emotionally to agitation from the trumputin machine, acting against their own interest as useful fools. I believe the Panthers had a much better idea of why they were doing what they were doing.

Stupid yes. These restrictions serve an important purpose. I do not think Panthers had a better idea though, with their demands for special treatment of black people under the law and their infatuation with Chairman Mao.

 

[Derec]

Please point to posts in this forum that substantiate you claim that it is ok for Black Panthers to occupy a state capital with armed force. If you cannot, then your claim, like your reasoning, is horseshit.

I really don't have time to go through years of posts on this forum (including the archives).
However, I am very glad that you at least seem to be disavowing them now.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

You seem to forget that even if the police have their firearms holstered, or even if they leave their individual firearms behind, every single interaction with the police is backed by the threat of force. There is no exception to that.

What do you think the purpose of carrying AR 15s to the protests was. It was a threat of force, by untrained, irresponsible fuckwits.

How do you know they are as poorly trained as police?

 

[ZiprHead]

Stupid yes. These restrictions serve an important purpose. I do not think Panthers had a better idea though, with their demands for special treatment of black people under the law and their infatuation with Chairman Mao.

Black people have had special treatment since they first arrived on these shores hundreds of years ago. They just didn't have a say in that treatment.

 

[ZiprHead]

You seem to forget that even if the police have their firearms holstered, or even if they leave their individual firearms behind, every single interaction with the police is backed by the threat of force. There is no exception to that.

What do you think the purpose of carrying AR 15s to the protests was. It was a threat of force, by untrained, irresponsible fuckwits.

How do you know they are as poorly trained as police?

I'll answer your question when you respond to this point you conveniently clipped out before.

You seem to object to uniformed police being intimidating yet you support poorly trained fucknuts doing even worse.

 

[Derec]

Black people have had special treatment since they first arrived on these shores hundreds of years ago. They just didn't have a say in that treatment.

So just because people who looked like them (not necessarily even their ancestors) were treated badly a long time ago, black people today deserve positive special treatment, not only things they actually get (so-called affirmative action) but also things like getting released from prisons and being exempt from all taxes like Panthers demanded? Or what is your point here, if you even have one?

 

[ZiprHead]

Black people have had special treatment since they first arrived on these shores hundreds of years ago. They just didn't have a say in that treatment.

So just because people who looked like them (not necessarily even their ancestors) were treated badly a long time ago, black people today deserve positive special treatment, not only things they actually get (so-called affirmative action) but also things like getting released from prisons and being exempt from all taxes like Panthers demanded? Or what is your point here, if you even have one?

You got special treatment when you came here.

 

[laughing dog]

Please point to posts in this forum that substantiate you claim that it is ok for Black Panthers to occupy a state capital with armed force. If you cannot, then your claim, like your reasoning, is horseshit.

I really don't have time to go through years of posts on this forum (including the archives).

Translation - your claim is horseshit.

However, I am very glad that you at least seem to be disavowing them now.

WTF are you babbling about now?

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

How do you know they are as poorly trained as police?

I'll answer your question when you respond to this point you conveniently clipped out before.

You seem to object to uniformed police being intimidating yet you support poorly trained fucknuts doing even worse.

I don't think they are "poorly trained fucknuts". Unless you are talking about police. So until we settle the issue of "poorly trained fucknuts" my answer is valid.

Or, better yet, since I consider the police to be "poorly trained fucknuts" then I think it is YOU defending "poorly trained fucknuts".

 

[Derec]

Translation - your claim is horseshit.

As usual you are wrong.

WTF are you babbling about now?

Are you or are you not denouncing BP's armed occupation of the California legislature? If not, then I hardly need to look through the archives, do I?