Vaccines, Vaccinations Discussions

[Loren Pechtel]

I don't trust that anyone or any group could have all the answers. That's why I try to use my own intuition after listening to all sides, which has never failed me when making big decisions.

Never failed you??? No, you simply conclude you're right.

Look at the measles death rate. Your own sources have given it to you, but you don't believe it because that would mean you position is wrong.

There are different stats on how many children have died from measles in a first-world country. Some say 1 in 1,000, others say 1 in 10,000.

No. The stats from the time soon before the vaccine was introduced was 1 in 1,000. Nobody's presented anything else. In the far past it was 1 in 10,000--which only makes sense if 9 of the 10 victims would have died from something else before there were any vaccines. Doesn't mean they didn't die, though--pre-vaccine mortality to preventable diseases was well above 1 in 1,000. There is absolutely no reason to think we wouldn't go back to that state without the vaccines.

 

[peacegirl]

I don't trust psychiatry because all they do is prescribe drugs with no talk therapy, and usually after a 30-minute consult. The whole profession has changed, and some people have been hurt rather than helped.

That's not all they do.

I think basically that is what they do. They dispense meds.

Because most of the therapy is done by psychologists. A psychologist is going to be as good or better than a psychiatrist at talking and less expensive because they don't have all the training in how the body works. They likely have both psychiatrists and psychologists in the same office.

Unfortunately, they do tend to do it too much because therapy is expensive (takes a lot of high skill time.) And it isn't easy for the patient.

It might not be easy but it helps get to the root of the problem rather than covering it over with drugs that can add another layer of difficulty when trying to get off of them.

If the problem is wrong thought patterns. All the talk in the world can't do much of anything when the problem is biochemical in nature.

It's far more a system problem than a psychiatrist problem.

I agree. It always goes back to money.

No. Patients often want a solution now and they want an easy solution. Therapy is neither now or easy. And it's not just the patients--courts keep sentencing people to rehab for drug related stuff. Nope, until the patient truly wants to quit it won't work.

That goes without saying!

 

[peacegirl]

This may interest some. A lot can be learned from animal science.