The US has an epidemic of mass shootings?

[Elixir]

Either way, your source is just ridiculous bullshit.
EB

Yup.

The GOP’s favorite gun ‘academic’ is a fraud

 

[Speakpigeon]

Either way, your source is just ridiculous bullshit.
EB

Yup.

The GOP’s favorite gun ‘academic’ is a fraud

Lott’s carefully crafted criteria to include an incident as a mass shooting is highly suspect. Lott goes to great lengths to exclude mass shootings that are the result of burglaries and gang violence, but he includes terrorist attacks. This choice means that while the Texas biker gang gunfight last summer is excluded in his statistics, the November Paris attacks, which accounted for more than one-third of Europe’s mass shooting fatalities, are included.

Yeah.

Exactly the problem. That's a Lott.
EB

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Lott’s carefully crafted criteria to include an incident as a mass shooting is highly suspect. Lott goes to great lengths to exclude mass shootings that are the result of burglaries and gang violence, but he includes terrorist attacks. This choice means that while the Texas biker gang gunfight last summer is excluded in his statistics, the November Paris attacks, which accounted for more than one-third of Europe’s mass shooting fatalities, are included.

Yeah.

Exactly the problem. That's a Lott.
EB

Except by "mass shooting" most people don't mean gang violence! Excluding those is the right thing to do.

 

[laughing dog]

Lott’s carefully crafted criteria to include an incident as a mass shooting is highly suspect. Lott goes to great lengths to exclude mass shootings that are the result of burglaries and gang violence, but he includes terrorist attacks. This choice means that while the Texas biker gang gunfight last summer is excluded in his statistics, the November Paris attacks, which accounted for more than one-third of Europe’s mass shooting fatalities, are included.

Yeah.

Exactly the problem. That's a Lott.
EB

Except by "mass shooting" most people don't mean gang violence!

Prove it.

Excluding those is the right thing to do.

If you are dupe of the NRA, yes. If you are rational normal human being, no.

 

[Speakpigeon]

Lott’s carefully crafted criteria to include an incident as a mass shooting is highly suspect. Lott goes to great lengths to exclude mass shootings that are the result of burglaries and gang violence, but he includes terrorist attacks. This choice means that while the Texas biker gang gunfight last summer is excluded in his statistics, the November Paris attacks, which accounted for more than one-third of Europe’s mass shooting fatalities, are included.

Yeah.

Exactly the problem. That's a Lott.
EB

Except by "mass shooting" most people don't mean gang violence! Excluding those is the right thing to do.

Of course not, but mass shooting isn't the only problem made much worse by the availability of guns. Gang violence also is a very serious problem because there's a lot of innocent casualties, possibly more than through mass shootings, at least in America.

These are clearly two very different problems, but both are made much worse for the same reason, the availability of guns.

So, excluding gang violence is just another way to bullshit the data.
EB

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Except by "mass shooting" most people don't mean gang violence! Excluding those is the right thing to do.

Of course not, but mass shooting isn't the only problem made much worse by the availability of guns. Gang violence also is a very serious problem because there's a lot of innocent casualties, possibly more than through mass shootings, at least in America.

These are clearly two very different problems, but both are made much worse for the same reason, the availability of guns.

So, excluding gang violence is just another way to bullshit the data.
EB

Except there aren't all that many innocent casualties. If an innocent is killed it makes the news. That's a small fraction of the total murders.

 

[Speakpigeon]

Except there aren't all that many innocent casualties. If an innocent is killed it makes the news. That's a small fraction of the total murders.

Excellent then, but I doubt gang warfare isn't a problem and that it's not made worse by the availability of guns.


And then, just have a look here:

Wikipedia - Number of American police officers killed in the line of duty, 1980–2014 and 2010-2018

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_American_police_officers_killed_in_the_line_of_duty

According to the FBI, from 1980–2014, an average of 64 law enforcement officers have been feloniously killed per year. Those killed in accidents in the line of duty are not included in that number.[2]

2010
161 law enforcement officers were killed in 2010. The average from 1990-2010 was 164 per year.[3]

2011
The FBI reported that in 2011, "69 law enforcement officers from around the nation were killed in the line of duty, while another 53 officers died in accidents while performing their duties."[4] (released November 19, 2012) NBC News reported 165 dead.[5]

2012
For 2012, the FBI records 49 deaths in the line of duty.[6] The FBI Fund counted 49 federal, state and local officers to have been killed in 2012.

2013
The Officer Down Memorial Page reports 126 deaths in the line of duty.[7] The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund counted 102 federal, state and local officers to have been killed in 2012.[8] The official count from the FBI is that 27 law enforcement officers were 'feloniously' killed in the line of duty in 2013 (the lowest in a 35-year period 1980-2014), and an additional 49 died in accidents (total: 76).[2][9]

2014
The Officer Down Memorial Page reports 155 deaths in the line of duty.[10] The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund counted 126 federal, state, local, tribal and territorial officers killed.[11] The preliminary count from the FBI is that 51 law enforcement officers were 'feloniously' killed in the line of duty in 2014, and an additional 44 died in accidents (total: 95).[9]

2015
The Officer Down Memorial Page reports 160 deaths in the line of duty.[12] The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund counted 124 federal, state, local, tribal and territorial officers killed. 42 officers were shot and killed and 52 officers were killed in traffic-related incidents.[13]

2016
The Officer Down Memorial Page reports 159 deaths in the line of duty.[14] The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund counted 135 federal, state, local, tribal and territorial officers killed. 64 officers were shot and killed and 21 were ambushed.[15]

2017
The Officer Down Memorial Page reports 133 deaths in the line of duty.[16] The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund counted 128 federal, state, local, tribal and territorial officers killed. Fatalities decreased more than 10 percent with traffic-related fatalities the leading cause this year.[17]

2018
The Officer Down Memorial Page reports 22 deaths in the line of duty as of March 1, 2018.[18] The National Law Enforcement Officers Memorial Fund count for federal, state, local, tribal and territorial officers killed has not yet been released.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Today on the NRA’s new special, “We are much safer than Africa”...

That statement rather drips of racism.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Today on the NRA’s new special, “We are much safer than Africa”...

That statement rather drips of racism.

See, this is the problem, you folks don't seem to understand that words have meanings and context. It is as if language and its use is foreign to people such as yourself.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

Today on the NRA’s new special, “We are much safer than Africa”...

That statement rather drips of racism.

See, this is the problem, you folks don't seem to understand that words have meanings and context. It is as if language and its use is foreign to people such as yourself.

Ah, of course, how silly of me to forget, statements like that are either racist or non-racist depending on who is saying them.

What group are you in that allows you to say that?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

See, this is the problem, you folks don't seem to understand that words have meanings and context. It is as if language and its use is foreign to people such as yourself.

Ah, of course, how silly of me to forget, statements like that are either racist or non-racist depending on who is saying them.

What group are you in that allows you to say that?

The group that understands what a false equivalence is.

 

[Jason Harvestdancer]

See, this is the problem, you folks don't seem to understand that words have meanings and context. It is as if language and its use is foreign to people such as yourself.

Ah, of course, how silly of me to forget, statements like that are either racist or non-racist depending on who is saying them.

What group are you in that allows you to say that?

The group that understands what a false equivalence is.

No, that's not you. Besides, it has to be some sort of oppressed group recognized by the progressive stack.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Today on the NRA’s new special, “We are much safer than Africa”...

That statement rather drips of racism.

Then reality drips of racism. Or can't you see that huge swath of Africa with very high murder rates? There's a fair chunk in South America also but most of that is Brazil.