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The police in the US really don't seem to want to do themselves any favours.....

 
 
 
Axulus said:
But the question is would they also let in an equally incompetent person who has donated zero? The people who are accusing the department of corruption are saying no, they would not have. This guy got special treatment because he was a rich donor. Where is the evidence of that? This department has over 100 volunteers as part of this program, and not all of them are wealthy donors (in fact, most of them are not).
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cite?
 
Can any one defend such a really stupid idea of arming reserve deputes.
Than again it is Oklahoma.
 
This guy sounds like a real life Barney Fife. They should have just given him one bullet and made him keep it in his shirt pocket. Then, none of this would have happened, and he could still get to play cops and robbers like the big boys.
 
bilby said:
SimpleDon said:
A large part of the problem is that the US has about 17,000 different police agencies and twice as many police officers as the next largest police state, Germany, computed per capita. Professionalism is low, training in many of the smaller police forces range from merely inadequate to none. Conservatives fight establishing standards and regulations on the level of training as undesirable federal government interference in local government.
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Indeed. I would suggest that there should be no more than 51 police forces in the USA - one for each state plus the feds. In the case of smaller states, you might even want to have a single force with jurisdiction over multiple states - for example there could be a New England force headquartered in Boston, with jurisdiction over Connecticut, Maine, Rhode Island, New Hampshire and Vermont, as well as Massachusetts; Washington DC, Delaware, Maryland and the two Virginias could reasonably have a single force; as could the two Dakotas plus Minnesota; and (perhaps) the two Carolinas. None of those four regional police forces would cover a particularly large land area by comparison with other states; except in the case of the Dakotas+MN, where they might cover a lot of ground, but not a lot of population.

Of course, this idea would work best with uniform laws across jurisdictions, which might not be popular locally, but having thousands of smaller county or city forces leads to far more problems than it solves. Larger forces tend to be better trained and equipped, and resources can be allocated on the basis of need, rather than the current state of affairs where wealthy locations with little crime get the cream, and poor locations with high crime get the dregs. Laws that are specific only to small areas are just needlessly confusing in the modern world of high mobility, where a uniform legal code at least within each state would be much more sensible.



Of course, I won't be holding my breath waiting for the US policing system to be reformed along these lines; but it will probably happen sooner than effective gun control, and might help to reduce the number of needless shootings by cops.
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You have pretty much described the situation in Canada were the larger provinces, Ontario and Quebec, have their own provincial police and the RCMP (GRC) cover, I believe, the rest.

Some larger cities do have municipal police and there is some overlap of jurisdictions but nothing like the US. There are federal laws enforced by the RCMP/GRC everywhere, provincial and municipal laws enforced by the provincial police in Ontario and Quebec and the RCMP everywhere else and the relatively few municipal police.

One of many ironies in the US is that because of widespread opposition to big government, assumed to be always in the form of the federal government, we have a massive amount of government in the form of all of the overlapping state, regional, county, township, city, town governments along with hundreds of thousands of special taxing districts for schools, transit, sewers, water, etc. St. Louis has a special taxing district for the zoos.
 
Alaska has a village safety officer program.This the first year that they are armed,and they went though training at the police academy.
 
Sources: Supervisors told to falsify reserve deputy's training records; department announces internal review

Supervisors at the Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office were ordered to falsify a reserve deputy’s training records, giving him credit for field training he never took and firearms certifications he should not have received, sources told the Tulsa World.

At least three of reserve deputy Robert Bates’ supervisors were transferred after refusing to sign off on his state-required training, multiple sources speaking on condition of anonymity told the World.

Bates, 73, is accused of second-degree manslaughter in the shooting death of Eric Harris during an undercover operation on April 2.

The sources’ claims are corroborated by records, including a statement by Bates after the shooting, that he was certified as an advanced reserve deputy in 2007.
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This might not be evidence of favoritism because for all we know the Sheriff's office falsified every reserve deputy's training records.
 
ksen said:
Sources: Supervisors told to falsify reserve deputy's training records; department announces internal review

Supervisors at the Tulsa County Sheriff’s Office were ordered to falsify a reserve deputy’s training records, giving him credit for field training he never took and firearms certifications he should not have received, sources told the Tulsa World.

At least three of reserve deputy Robert Bates’ supervisors were transferred after refusing to sign off on his state-required training, multiple sources speaking on condition of anonymity told the World.

Bates, 73, is accused of second-degree manslaughter in the shooting death of Eric Harris during an undercover operation on April 2.

The sources’ claims are corroborated by records, including a statement by Bates after the shooting, that he was certified as an advanced reserve deputy in 2007.
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This might not be evidence of favoritism because for all we know the Sheriff's office falsified every reserve deputy's training records.
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Well, whether it's for everybody or just for him, the officers who falsified the records and the supervisors who ordered it done need to be charged with felony murder. Their criminal activities led to this untrained (even by the criteria of the "holy shit, those actually the standards" standards of their department) individual being taken into a situation where his lack of proper training led to his committing a murder.
 
The irony is that this is the only one so far wherein I'd be ok (not happy, just could accept it) if he was not convicted (but expect he will since he is not actually a cop). I do think he made a mistake - a very deadly mistake - but not the type of brutality and utter disregard for life that we have seen with the various cops and Zimmerman murdering people.

I do, however, think that this bullshit of part-time "volunteers" being allowed to do actual police work, especially armed with guns or tazers or anything more lethal than a pencil, needs to stop immediately. I think this police department and any others doing this sort of thing needs to be investigated for accepting "donations" among other very smelly aspects of this case.
 
ZiprHead said:
That sheriff and his whole department is fukt.
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Silver lining is that three refused to do it. Fourth one probably just figured why would it matter. It isn't like they'd take him on an undercover assignment and then he'd accidentally shoot and kill a suspect.
 
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