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Iran will be allowed to use its own inspectors to investigate a site it has been accused of using to develop nuclear arms, operating under a secret agreement with the U.N. agency that normally carries out such work, according to a document seen by The Associated Press.
The Republicans can go to fuck. They'd filibuster a bill to launch a missile to stop an asteroid heading right towards Earth. But the above? I don't know too much about the treaty, but there would need to be some substantial backup methods of checking for compliance to allow this to happen.

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Iran is to provide agency experts with photos and videos of locations the IAEA says are linked to the alleged weapons work, "taking into account military concerns."
That wording suggests that — beyond being barred from physically visiting the site — the agency won't get photo or video information from areas Iran says are off-limits because they have military significance.

While the document says the IAEA "will ensure the technical authenticity" of Iran's inspection, it does not say how.
Pretty much to me, this option only works if Iran publicly dismantles their equipment and disposes of the nuclear fuel they currently have. Otherwise, WTF?
 
Pretty much to me, this option only works if Iran publicly dismantles their equipment and disposes of the nuclear fuel they currently have. Otherwise, WTF?

How about if they pinky promise they destroyed everything?

Remember, the only other choice to this agreement is WAR!
 
Pretty much to me, this option only works if Iran publicly dismantles their equipment and disposes of the nuclear fuel they currently have. Otherwise, WTF?

How about if they pinky promise they destroyed everything?

Remember, the only other choice to this agreement is WAR!

Actually the only other choice to this agreement is we do nothing and the sanctions regime unravels on its own because nobody except for Israel and the United States is all that worried about Iran's nuclear program.
 
How about if they pinky promise they destroyed everything?

Remember, the only other choice to this agreement is WAR!

Actually the only other choice to this agreement is we do nothing and the sanctions regime unravels on its own because nobody except for Israel and the United States is all that worried about Iran's nuclear program.

Yeah, Iran's terrorism is directed at the Jews. It's easier to pretend they don't matter than to realize the Jews are simply the first target.
 
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The Republicans can go to fuck. They'd filibuster a bill to launch a missile to stop an asteroid heading right towards Earth. But the above? I don't know too much about the treaty, but there would need to be some substantial backup methods of checking for compliance to allow this to happen.

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Iran is to provide agency experts with photos and videos of locations the IAEA says are linked to the alleged weapons work, "taking into account military concerns."
That wording suggests that — beyond being barred from physically visiting the site — the agency won't get photo or video information from areas Iran says are off-limits because they have military significance.

While the document says the IAEA "will ensure the technical authenticity" of Iran's inspection, it does not say how.
Pretty much to me, this option only works if Iran publicly dismantles their equipment and disposes of the nuclear fuel they currently have. Otherwise, WTF?
This can't be real.
 
Actually the only other choice to this agreement is we do nothing and the sanctions regime unravels on its own because nobody except for Israel and the United States is all that worried about Iran's nuclear program.

Yeah, Iran's terrorism is directed at the Jews.
Seeing how this is the latest canard you have chosen to hide behind...
:realitycheck:

Iran’s control over Hezbollah has been steadily declining since approximately 1996, during the reformist presidency of Mohammad Khatami. Money does continue to come “from Iran” to support Hezbollah, but not the Iranian government. Instead, it’s private religious foundations that direct the bulk of support, primarily to Hezbollah’s charitable activities. Nor are the amounts crucial to Hezbollah’s survival; even the high estimate frequently cited in the press—$200 million per annum—is a fraction of Hezbollah’s operating funds. However, the most important reason for not targeting Iran for the continued fighting in Lebanon is that this conflict is antithetical to Iran’s interests.

Neoconservatives clearly have another agenda in attacking Iran besides stopping Hezbollah. By blaming Iran for this latest flare-up, neoconservatives are following their decade-long program to encourage a military attack against the Islamic Republic.

Iran’s support for Hezbollah

The broad assertion that Iran supports Hezbollah is verifiable, but it is important to understand what the nature of this support is, and the extent to which Iran is able to influence the actions of this Shi’ite Lebanese group.

Since 90 percent of Iran’s population is Shi’ite, its citizens had an undeniable interest in the fate of its co-religionists in Lebanon following the Revolution of 1978-79. Like Iranians, the Lebanese Shi’ite community was under oppression both from Sunnis and Maronites. Moreover, Palestinian refugees, settled in Lebanon without consultation with the Shi’ite community, served as a drain on weak local economic resources and drew fire from Israel. The Shi’ites felt helpless and frustrated. The successful revolution in Iran was enormously inspirational to them. While the Iranian central government was weak and scattered after the Revolution, semi-independent charitable organizations, called bonyad (literally, “foundation”) sponsored by individual Shi’ite clerics began to help the fledgling Hezbollah organization establish itself as a defense force to protect the Shi’ite community. This was simply not state support. Given the semi-independent corporate nature of Shi’ite clerics, especially in the early days of Iran’s revolution, when internal power struggles were endemic, there was little the Khomeini government could do to curtail these operations.

Now, after nearly two decades, this ad hoc export of Iranian revolutionary ideology may have succeeded too well. Whereas today the bulk of the Iranian population has at least some doubts about their government, Hezbollah maintains a stronger commitment to the symbolic legacy of the Iranian Revolution than Iranians, according to Georgetown University professor Daniel Byman. In a 2003 Foreign Affairs article, Byman pointed out that, “[Iran] lacks the means to force a significant change in the [Hezbollah] movement and its goals. It has no real presence on the ground in Lebanon and a call to disarm or cease resistance would likely cause Hezbollah’s leadership, or at least its most militant elements, simply to sever ties with Tehran’s leadership.”

In short, Hezbollah has now taken on a life of its own. Even if all Iranian financial and logistic support were cut off, Hezbollah would not only continue, it would thrive.

Hezbollah has achieved this independence by becoming as much a social welfare and political organization as a militant resistance organization. In a 2004 speech, Dwight J. Simpson, a professor of international relations at San Francisco State University, reported that it had “12 elected parliamentary members…[and] many Hezbollah members hold elected positions within local governments.” At that time, the group had already built five hospitals and was building more. It operated 25 primarily secular schools, and provided subsidies to shopkeepers.

The source for their money, Simpson reported, is zakat—the charitable “tithe” required of all Muslims. The Shi’ites, having seen their co-religionists in Iraq succeed in initial elections there in 2005, had hopes that they too would assume the power in Lebanon that accorded with their status as the nation’s largest community, approximately 40 percent of the population. The growth of Hezbollah’s charitable operations increased non-state-level financial support for the organization not only from Iran, but from the rest of the Shi’ite world, since formalized charity is a religious duty. As this charitable activity increased, Hezbollah was on the road to ceasing its activities as a terrorist group and gradually assuming the role of a political organization. Even in its current engagement with Israel, its “terrorist” activities have been reframed as national defense, especially as Hezbollah began to use conventional military forces and weapons.

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Why would the United States repeat such unfounded assertions with such incessant regularity as if they were established fact? Aside from their continuity with 27 years of ongoing attacks against Iran, such assertions accord with a longstanding U.S. foreign policy myth that believes terrorism cannot exist without state support. If a state is needed to explain the continued existence of groups like Hezbollah, then Iran is an ideal candidate. Ergo, the connection must exist. Such claims serve to bolster the central, but fallacious, political doctrine for the Bush administration that the Global War on Terrorism really exists.

The alternative is to understand that terrorism is fundamentally community-based. Sub-state groups with grievances that they feel cannot be addressed in any other way resort to terrorism as a way of increasing attention to their plight and pressuring those whom they perceive to be oppressing them. Though they may welcome external financial support, the impetus and motivation for terrorist groups’ actions is not dependent on it. Indeed, the more pressure they are subjected to, the stronger their collective will to resist increases.

When this dynamic is understood, the problems of addressing terrorism also come into focus. Rather than looking for global fantasy structures such as al-Qaeda and their state supporters, the international community needs to employ methods to address the needs of sub-state groups, while simultaneously working to curtail their activities as conditions improve. For the Shi’ites in Lebanon, it may be far too late to employ such a strategy.

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The Iranian Government isn't Hezbollah's main financial backer. Shi'ite religious leaders fund their causes independently, and even this is a relatively small contribution to an organization that gets most of its funding from LEBANESE sources.


It's easier to pretend they don't matter than to realize the Jews are simply the first target.
Actually, ISIS would likely be the first target since ISIS, unlike Israel, is an actual threat to Iran's sovereignty.
 
Iran will be allowed to use its own inspectors to investigate a site it has been accused of using to develop nuclear arms, operating under a secret agreement with the U.N. agency that normally carries out such work, according to a document seen by The Associated Press.
This does sound like something that is at best misleading by omission, though nobody in a position to know seems to have addressed it yet. For now, the most substantial response is on an anti-war site:

http://news.antiwar.com/2015/08/19/...elf-inspection-at-parchin-fuels-condemnation/
 
No, he was there as an advisor to Bashar al-Assad's military, whom Iran considers an ally in its war against Sunni militants.

Read the fucking article.:rolleyes:

Only white people can have military adventures abroad. We can´t let the sand niggers have any influence in their own region.

By definition nothing the West can do is "meddling".
 
I guess an Iranian Revolutionary Guard general was on "vacation" in Syria
Iran general died in 'Israeli strike' in Syrian Golan

No, he was there as an advisor to Bashar al-Assad's military, whom Iran considers an ally in its war against Sunni militants.

Read the fucking article.:rolleyes:

You read the fucking article. The Iranians were fighting with Hezbollah.
BBC said:
The Lebanese Shia Islamist movement Hezbollah said six of its fighters also died when a helicopter fired missiles at a convoy in Quneitra province.
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Earlier, a source close to Hezbollah told the AFP news agency that a total of six Iranian soldiers had been killed, along with its own fighters.

Also, you provided no link. Why?
 
No, he was there as an advisor to Bashar al-Assad's military, whom Iran considers an ally in its war against Sunni militants.

Read the fucking article.:rolleyes:

You read the fucking article. The Iranians were fighting with Hezbollah.
The article says the General was advising Bashar al-Assad. It says it in the second paragraph of the article.
BBC said:
The Lebanese Shia Islamist movement Hezbollah said six of its fighters also died when a helicopter fired missiles at a convoy in Quneitra province.
[...]
Earlier, a source close to Hezbollah told the AFP news agency that a total of six Iranian soldiers had been killed, along with its own fighters.

Also, you provided no link. Why?
Because he was citing the article you fucking linked and didn't read and still have effectively not read.
 
The article says the General was advising Bashar al-Assad. It says it in the second paragraph of the article.
So what? That is completely consistent with him fighting with Hezbollah, which is also helping Assad. He, along other Iranian soldiers, was killed in a Hezbollah convoy, which shows they were working closely with them. It's ridiculous to deny close support Iran provides Hezbollah.
Because he was citing the article you fucking linked and didn't read and still have effectively not read.
I was referring to the long text he quoted, but did not link to or otherwise provide the source for.
 
So what? That is completely consistent with him fighting with Hezbollah, which is also helping Assad. He, along other Iranian soldiers, was killed in a Hezbollah convoy...
No. The General was killed along with a group of SYRIAN soldiers he was advising with. The Hezbollah convoy was an unrelated event at a different location but occurred on the same day.

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No, he was there as an advisor to Bashar al-Assad's military, whom Iran considers an ally in its war against Sunni militants.

Read the fucking article.:rolleyes:

And if he wasn't involved with Hezbollah why did he die to an Israeli bomb?

Because Israel is fighting Asad's forces too, a move that is seen by many in the Israeli military as potentially self-defeating.
 
Could we please end this stupid derail. The OP is about the multi-lateral agreement.
 
Hey Jimmy, looks like the AP may have been up to shenanigans with that story.

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/20/9182185/ap-iran-inspections-parchin

On Wednesday afternoon, the Associated Press published an exclusive report on the Iran nuclear program so shocking that many political pundits declared the nuclear deal dead in the water. But the article turned out to be a lot less damning that it looked — and the AP, which scrubbed many of the most damning details, is now itself part of this increasingly bizarre story.

To get a handle on all this, I spoke to Jeffrey Lewis, an arms control expert at Middlebury College's Monterey Institute of International Studies. What follows is a primer on what happened, what the AP story said and how it changed, the nuclear issues involved — a place called Parchin and something known as PMD — and what they mean for the nuclear deal.

The bottom line here is that this is all over a mild and widely anticipated compromise on a single set of inspections to a single, long-dormant site. The AP, deliberately or not, has distorted that into something that sounds much worse, but actually isn't. The whole incident is a fascinating, if disturbing, example of how misleading reporting on technical issues can play into the politics of foreign policy.
 
Hey Jimmy, looks like the AP may have been up to shenanigans with that story.

http://www.vox.com/2015/8/20/9182185/ap-iran-inspections-parchin

On Wednesday afternoon, the Associated Press published an exclusive report on the Iran nuclear program so shocking that many political pundits declared the nuclear deal dead in the water. But the article turned out to be a lot less damning that it looked — and the AP, which scrubbed many of the most damning details, is now itself part of this increasingly bizarre story.

To get a handle on all this, I spoke to Jeffrey Lewis, an arms control expert at Middlebury College's Monterey Institute of International Studies. What follows is a primer on what happened, what the AP story said and how it changed, the nuclear issues involved — a place called Parchin and something known as PMD — and what they mean for the nuclear deal.

The bottom line here is that this is all over a mild and widely anticipated compromise on a single set of inspections to a single, long-dormant site. The AP, deliberately or not, has distorted that into something that sounds much worse, but actually isn't. The whole incident is a fascinating, if disturbing, example of how misleading reporting on technical issues can play into the politics of foreign policy.

When I first saw this story I knew it was a plant. In all truth, no nation should be building nuclear power plants. There are however many nations who have them and we can only hope that they all come to an end sometime soon. If you choose between a nuclear power plant and a possible nuclear exchange, the choice is actually quite clear. Schumer is playing Netanyahu's hand in our Senate. He should be receiving a lot a mail telling him to quit war mongering. The problem with politicians like Schumer and Clinton is that they are knee jerk supporters of the racist Israeli government.
 
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