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I am sure that owl would like to give them some acupuncture (courtesy of his talons):rolleyes:

http://metro.co.uk/2014/12/14/sick-owls-given-acupuncture-to-help-return-to-wild-4986465/
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Is that cute or WHAAAAAAAAAAAT???? :love:

(Not sure about the needles, though.)
 
The article stops short of saying the acupuncture actually speeds their recovery. Most sick animals will get better with time. Saying it "stimulates self-curing mechanisms in the organism. It does not cause side-effects" is saying it does nothing.
 
rjh01 said:
The article stops short of saying the acupuncture actually speeds their recovery. Most sick animals will get better with time. Saying it "stimulates self-curing mechanisms in the organism. It does not cause side-effects" is saying it does nothing.
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Well, yeah, stick a few needles into it and you'll see the owl flap it's wings like heck. A miracle! A miracle! :D
 
whichphilosophy said:
fta said:
An owl with a broken leg? Isn't that how Iridology got started?
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While there is no actual evidence I can see that Iridology is useful as a diagnostic tool, examining the eyes (dilation of pupils) does sometimes have some use arriving at a diagnosis or indications of certain abnormalities. Of course I don't know if this was ever tried on owls with broken legs.

http://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/pupillary-abnormalities
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The link does not discuss iridology, which is an alternative (to) medicine. The link discusses seeing how the eyes react to light shinning on them. Do they dilate normally? And examining the internal parts of the eye.
 
rjh01 said:
whichphilosophy said:
While there is no actual evidence I can see that Iridology is useful as a diagnostic tool, examining the eyes (dilation of pupils) does sometimes have some use arriving at a diagnosis or indications of certain abnormalities. Of course I don't know if this was ever tried on owls with broken legs.

http://www.patient.co.uk/doctor/pupillary-abnormalities
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The link does not discuss iridology, which is an alternative (to) medicine. The link discusses seeing how the eyes react to light shinning on them. Do they dilate normally? And examining the internal parts of the eye.
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It was just meant to illustrate that checking eye reactions does have some limited use in medicine and certainly not as I can see anyway near as intended or suggested in iridology.
 
whichphilosophy said:
rjh01 said:
The link does not discuss iridology, which is an alternative (to) medicine. The link discusses seeing how the eyes react to light shinning on them. Do they dilate normally? And examining the internal parts of the eye.
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It was just meant to illustrate that checking eye reactions does have some limited use in medicine and certainly not as I can see anyway near as intended or suggested in iridology.
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Checking elbows also have some limited use in medicine... (For patiants with skin problems or if they got stuck in a harvester...)
So I think it was the utter pointlessness of your post that triggered rjh01 to post that...
 
Juma said:
whichphilosophy said:
It was just meant to illustrate that checking eye reactions does have some limited use in medicine and certainly not as I can see anyway near as intended or suggested in iridology.
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Checking elbows also have some limited use in medicine... (For patiants with skin problems or if they got stuck in a harvester...)
So I think it was the utter pointlessness of your post that triggered rjh01 to post that...
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Leprosy can also cause irregular spots and patches on the skin.
 
Juma said:
whichphilosophy said:
Leprosy can also cause irregular spots and patches on the skin.
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You dont get sarcasm, do you?
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I thought I would continue your line of research. However upon death one can see dilated pupils, absence of corneal reflexes, cloudiness of the cornea and loss of eye tension. :)
 
Juma said:
whichphilosophy said:
I thought I would continue your line of research. However upon death one can see dilated pupils, absence of corneal reflexes, cloudiness of the cornea and loss of eye tension. :)
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No. You are only disrupting the thread.
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Humour can sometimes illustrate the absurdity of something or even a school of thought. Other humorous comments were also made.
 
An interesting abstract
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9818803
Acupuncture for back pain: a meta-analysis of randomized controlled trials.

Ernst E1, White AR.



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Abstract

BACKGROUND:

Acupuncture is commonly used to treat back pain, but there is no published meta-analysis of trials of its effectiveness for this condition.

OBJECTIVE:

To perform a meta-analysis of trials of acupuncture for the treatment of back pain.

METHODS:

A systematic literature search was conducted to retrieve all randomized controlled trials of any form of acupuncture for any type of back pain in humans. The adequacy of the acupuncture treatment was assessed by consulting 6 experienced acupuncturists. The main outcome measure for the meta-analysis was numbers of patients whose symptoms were improved at the end of treatment.

RESULTS:

Twelve studies were included, of which 9 presented data suitable for meta-analysis. The odds ratio of improvement with acupuncture compared with control intervention was 2.30 (95% confidence interval, 1.28-4.13). For sham-controlled, evaluator-blinded studies, the odds ratio was 1.37 (95% confidence interval, 0.84-2.25).

CONCLUSION:

Acupuncture was shown to be superior to various control interventions, although there is insufficient evidence to state whether it is superior to placebo.
 
Interesting abstract, also with E. Ernst as lead author but from 2011 instead of 1998.

http://www.dcscience.net/Ernst-2011-AcupunctAlleviatePainRiskReview.pdf

a b s t r a c t
Acupuncture is commonly used for pain control, but doubts about its effectiveness and safety remain.
This review was aimed at critically evaluating systematic reviews of acupuncture as a treatment of pain
and at summarizing reports of serious adverse effects published since 2000. Literature searches were carried
out in 11 databases without language restrictions. Systematic reviews were considered for the evaluation
of effectiveness and case series or case reports for summarizing adverse events. Data were
extracted according to predefined criteria. Fifty-seven systematic reviews met the inclusion criteria. Four
were of excellent methodological quality. Numerous contradictions and caveats emerged. Unanimously
positive conclusions from more than one high-quality systematic review existed only for neck pain.
Ninety-five cases of severe adverse effects including 5 fatalities were included. Pneumothorax and infections
were the most frequently reported adverse effects. In conclusion, numerous systematic reviews
have generated little truly convincing evidence that acupuncture is effective in reducing pain. Serious
adverse effects continue to be reported.
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scombrid said:
Interesting abstract, also with E. Ernst as lead author but from 2011 instead of 1998.

http://www.dcscience.net/Ernst-2011-AcupunctAlleviatePainRiskReview.pdf

a b s t r a c t
Acupuncture is commonly used for pain control, but doubts about its effectiveness and safety remain.
This review was aimed at critically evaluating systematic reviews of acupuncture as a treatment of pain
and at summarizing reports of serious adverse effects published since 2000. Literature searches were carried
out in 11 databases without language restrictions. Systematic reviews were considered for the evaluation
of effectiveness and case series or case reports for summarizing adverse events. Data were
extracted according to predefined criteria. Fifty-seven systematic reviews met the inclusion criteria. Four
were of excellent methodological quality. Numerous contradictions and caveats emerged. Unanimously
positive conclusions from more than one high-quality systematic review existed only for neck pain.
Ninety-five cases of severe adverse effects including 5 fatalities were included. Pneumothorax and infections
were the most frequently reported adverse effects. In conclusion, numerous systematic reviews
have generated little truly convincing evidence that acupuncture is effective in reducing pain. Serious
adverse effects continue to be reported.
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100% of those who die will no longer complain about recurring pains.
 
The mind is a very important factor. If it is or not superior to placebo is of paramount importance.




And the jury says...
Acupuncture treatment for pain: systematic review of randomised clinical trials with acupuncture, placebo acupuncture, and no acupuncture groups
http://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/338/bmj.a3115.full.pdf
Conclusions: A small analgesic effect of acupuncture was found, which seems to lack clinical relevance and cannot be clearly distinguished from bias. Whether needling at acupuncture points, or at any site, reduces pain independently of the psychological impact of the treatment ritual is unclear.
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You can check other studies, but the comparison of acupuncture versus sham acupuncture, other interventions and no treatment, shows acupuncture is theatrical placebo.
 
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