SCOTUS rules in favor of LGBT worker protections

[Jarhyn]

Completely beside the point.

If you hear that two workers want to suck a dick, and you fire the guy for being a guy that wants dick, but you don't fire the woman for being a woman wanting dick, you have discriminated based on what is in their underwear.

Dude, if you are going to cite Ginsburg’s opinion, you should use quotes.

The funny thing is, I've been making this argument for years. I bet Ginsburg is a smart enough cookie that she's had it this long too. It doesn't matter who thought it, it came from disparate points possibly for different reasons, but they are both the same opinion, and they're all good expressions of it. But this isn't about gender, strictly. This is about sex and the fact you can't say "person with X genitals cannot be Y, bit person with Z genitals can be Y." The variance, the decision point cannot hinge on genitals. And when rejecting trans women, the decision point hinges on genitals for the discriminator: if they had been born with different genitals and done the same thing, they would not be attacked.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

Sorry. The truth is I was terrified when I heard this case was going to the Supreme Court. The ruling was a pleasant surprise, but a surprise. It is stacked with conservatives right now, and they could have twisted things in a different direction if they'd really tried.

It could not have gone the other way anymore than being black would make a difference. The court of public opinion had already ruled in this case and the court merely made its stamp. There will always be fucktards like Alito and Thomas and Cavanaugh. I'm actually glad these fuckwits are still around and making noise. They are their own worst enemy.

 

[Lion IRC]

...To be a Supreme Court Justice, you have to be pretty damn smart... and the problem with being a lawyer and smart is that you become good at making bullshit arguments. The Justices can justify whatever opinion they want to.

True.
And 6 bullshit arguments beats 3 bullshit arguments.
The #SOGI juggernaught rolls on.

Expansion of Civil Rights makes Lion IRC cry.

[slippery slope argument goes here]

 

[ruby sparks]

Why on earth would you want to invoke what’s usually taken to be a fallacy unless clearly demonstrated otherwise?

[facepalm goes here]

 

[Worldtraveller]

Poor Alito, the expansion of human rights must sicken him terribly.

It is a little weird how some people insist that the definition of 'human,' for the purpose of human rights, goes all the way back conception, but once they arrive, they're not always AS human, depending on what they want to do with dicks. Theirs, others', hypothetical dicks. Adding, subtracting, avoiding entirely, or sticking it in places their invisible friend won't approve of....

Just so there aren't too many around, something like an Alito serves a useful purpose. It gives decent people like you and me an actual living example of what we're fighting against. We don't have to invent it like in a movie, it's right there to observe.

An Alito otoh has some lurid fascination with other people's sex organs, quite infantile and dangerous in a very real way.

Add skin color, place of birth and similar 'outsider' or non-ingroup categories to the list that those like Alito want to see gone.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Expansion of Civil Rights makes Lion IRC cry.

[slippery slope argument goes here]

You misspelled fallacy.

 

[Lion IRC]

Why on earth would you want to invoke what’s usually taken to be a fallacy unless clearly demonstrated otherwise?

[facepalm goes here]

Folks who want pet brothels legalized dont see it as a slippery slope.
They see this "expansion of sex civil rights" as a great victory.

The man-boy love (sex) lobby would also be celebrating this trail blazing victory on the Supreme Court.

 

[Politesse]

Why on earth would you want to invoke what’s usually taken to be a fallacy unless clearly demonstrated otherwise?

[facepalm goes here]

Folks who want pet brothels legalized dont see it as a slippery slope.
They see this "expansion of sex civil rights" as a great victory.

The man-boy love (sex) lobby would also be celebrating this trail blazing victory on the Supreme Court.

Completely irrelevant. This is a question of our basic civil rights, it doesn't become morally bad just because someone you don't like also benefits from it. When civil rights are guaranteed for everyone, that means everyone, not just "good people". You want karma, join a Buddhist monastery, don't fuck with our democracy.

 

[blastula]

Sex between consenting adults is not a civil right?

 

[Keith&Co.]

Yeah, from what i hear, one of the arguments against allowing interracial marriages was the slippery slope that it would make gay marriages easier.
Funny, though, i don't remember any legal argument quoting 'since we allow miscegenation....'

 

[Lion IRC]

Why on earth would you want to invoke what’s usually taken to be a fallacy unless clearly demonstrated otherwise?

[facepalm goes here]

Folks who want pet brothels legalized dont see it as a slippery slope.
They see this "expansion of sex civil rights" as a great victory.

The man-boy love (sex) lobby would also be celebrating this trail blazing victory on the Supreme Court.

Completely irrelevant. This is a question of our basic civil rights, it doesn't become morally bad just because someone you don't like also benefits from it. When civil rights are guaranteed for everyone, that means everyone, not just "good people". You want karma, join a Buddhist monastery, don't fuck with our democracy.

Your argument from democracy is a fail.
Indonesia is a democracy. You think they will be enacting same sex marriage legislation anytime soon?

 

[ruby sparks]

Why on earth would you want to invoke what’s usually taken to be a fallacy unless clearly demonstrated otherwise?

[facepalm goes here]

Folks who want pet brothels legalized dont see it as a slippery slope.
They see this "expansion of sex civil rights" as a great victory.

The man-boy love (sex) lobby would also be celebrating this trail blazing victory on the Supreme Court.

If that wasn’t so sad, that you think that way, that you actually think that either makes sense or is relevant, it would just be hilarious. Either way it’s pathetic and beyond ridiculous. And I’ll throw in bigoted, because of your crass, woo-infected, bigoted opposition to the basic human rights of your fellow humans regarding this issue. And please, don’t quote me something from your stupid woo-book. Read that in private, if you must. Have a wank about it under the duvet. Just stop pissing on other people because of it.

 

[ideologyhunter]

More to the point, what the hell is wrong with pet brothels??? Have you ever seen a French poodle in a peasant blouse and two pairs of white vinyl gogo boots?

 

[Politesse]

Sex between consenting adults is not a civil right?

Without harassment from civil authorities, you mean? I would say it is.

 

[Politesse]

Completely irrelevant. This is a question of our basic civil rights, it doesn't become morally bad just because someone you don't like also benefits from it. When civil rights are guaranteed for everyone, that means everyone, not just "good people". You want karma, join a Buddhist monastery, don't fuck with our democracy.

Your argument from democracy is a fail.
Indonesia is a democracy. You think they will be enacting same sex marriage legislation anytime soon?

No. And I definitely feel that it makes their democratic system weaker and less stable. When everyone has equal protection under the law, democracy is much safer than when there is systemic oppression of an underclass, on whatever grounds.

 

[ruby sparks]

More to the point, what the hell is wrong with pet brothels??? Have you ever seen a French poodle in a peasant blouse and two pairs of white vinyl gogo boots?

 

[ZiprHead]

More to the point, what the hell is wrong with pet brothels??? Have you ever seen a French poodle in a peasant blouse and two pairs of white vinyl gogo boots?

Ooo La La...

 

[Jarhyn]

More to the point, what the hell is wrong with pet brothels??? Have you ever seen a French poodle in a peasant blouse and two pairs of white vinyl gogo boots?

Sorry, I'm more of a Rottweiler guy, myself.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Sex between consenting adults is not a civil right?

Without harassment from civil authorities, you mean? I would say it is.

Not according to catholics (and a few other religions).

It's funny how equalizing things for all people (adults of consenting age) is seen as a slippery slope to them.

It's almost as if they really get something out of being able to oppress others.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Why on earth would you want to invoke what’s usually taken to be a fallacy unless clearly demonstrated otherwise?

[facepalm goes here]

Folks who want pet brothels legalized dont see it as a slippery slope.
They see this "expansion of sex civil rights" as a great victory.

The man-boy love (sex) lobby would also be celebrating this trail blazing victory on the Supreme Court.

Your side doesn't seem to understand the important aspect of consent.