Racism in Baltimore - a pictorial

[Derec]

because the office of the clayton county sheriff is not an institution, nor is the henry county sheriff for that matter.

Of course they are. What makes you think otherwise?
From the wiki entry on  institutional racism.

Institutional racism is any system of inequality based on race. It can occur in institutions such as public government bodies, private business corporations (such as media outlets), and universities (public and private).

A county sheriff in his official capacity would certainly qualify.

the incident may well be shitty, stupid, and racist... but it's not an example of institutional racism, it literally doesn't fit the definition of what that term means.

BS. It's textbook example of what the term means, and nobody would think otherwise if the victims weren't white.

per the context of the term:
Institutions are "stable, valued, recurring patterns of behavior."[1] As structures or mechanisms of social order, they govern the behaviour of a set of individuals within a given community. Institutions are identified with a social purpose, transcending individuals and intentions by mediating the rules that govern living behavior.

Governmental entities certainly qualify here. In fact, "police forces" was included an a specific example of an institution.

Institutional racism is any system of inequality based on race. It can occur in institutions such as public government bodies, private business corporations (such as media outlets), and universities (public and private).

Oh you are quoting from the same wiki entry I was and you missed the "government bodies" part of the quote which directly contradicts what you claim.

institutional racism is culture-deep, society wide racial disparity that exists on a level way more profound than one douchebag at some backwater hillbilly sheriff's office.

First of all, Clayton County is neither "backwater" (it's a metro Atlanta county that contains the biggest part of the Atlanta airport) nor "hillbilly" (southern metro is pretty flat and not in the Appalachia at all but in Piedmont closer to the Coastal Plain) and second of all, it fulfills the definition of institutional racism.

By the way, the "only whites can be racist" nonsense has gained a lot of traction at US colleges, and also UK ones apparently.
Goldsmiths' Student Diversity Officer Bahar Mustafa: 'I Can't Be Racist Or Sexist Because I'm An Ethnic Minority Woman'
She also tweeted #Killallwhitemen
Goldsmiths SU Diversity Officer Bahar Mustafa Could Lose Job Over '#KillAllWhiteMen' Tweet
The Left is an increasingly illiberal force in the contemporary politics.

 

[Starman]

And your analysis is backed by what training or experience in the law?

I am just trying to ascertain whether the analysis is credible or not. Would be reasonable to conclude from your evasiveness, that your legal analysis is not based on legal education or practice?

Giggly Dog, your petty attack is simply ad hominem. That is the standard talking point for all leftists. When you can't rebut the argument, you attack the messenger.
How pathetic, how weak it is. And it's futile to rebut leftist nonsense, for it continues indefinitely, always changing subjects, always trotting out new nonsense.

Giggly Dog: I did not call anyone naive and ignorant. I called your response "naive and ignorant".

Same thing. Standard ad hominem attack against Derec, instead of discussing the subject, viz. racism in Baltimore.

It's not a derailment, it's providing context.

Giggly Dog: Again, the OP is about Racism in Baltimore. .

Derec is absolutely correct in providing context. Your attempts to derail the subject through infinite, petty sniping is derailment, Giggly.

But since it doesn't refutes your ideologically motivated ideas you don't want it included in the discussion.

Giggly Dog: I do wince every time I see one of your ridiculous hobby horses trotted out because I think of the pain it must cause to pull it out of your ass.

Ah, Giggly Dog adds vulgarity to his hateful ad hominem attack on a far better and wiser man. Now vulgarity - THAT'S *rational*.

 

[Keith&Co.]

Giggly Dog, your petty attack is simply ad hominem.

As is often the case with conservatives whining on this forum, you have no fucking idea what ad hominem is.

 

[laughing dog]

And what legal training is a required to have an opinion on an internet forum?

None. But it helps to give an opinion some credibility.

So neither of us has legal training. Yet I have offered reasons why I think Mosby overreached whereas you try to muddy the waters by questioning my legal expertise (even though I never claimed any).

Wrong, I am simply pointing out that your opinion is not based on actual education or practice.

And I call your response clinging to outdated paradigms of race which can be summed up with "it's all whiteys fault".

That is a rather illogical summary.

Hobby horse - what left wingers on this forum call anybody who disagrees with them and posts more than twice on a particular subject.

No, it is what rational thinking people call your persistent derails.

 

[laughing dog]

Giggly Dog, your petty attack is simply ad hominem. That is the standard talking point for all leftists. When you can't rebut the argument, you attack the messenger.
How pathetic, how weak it is. And it's futile to rebut leftist nonsense, for it continues indefinitely, always changing subjects, always trotting out new nonsense.

Giggly Dog: I did not call anyone naive and ignorant. I called your response "naive and ignorant".

Same thing. Standard ad hominem attack against Derec, instead of discussing the subject, viz. racism in Baltimore.

It's not a derailment, it's providing context.

Giggly Dog: Again, the OP is about Racism in Baltimore. .

Derec is absolutely correct in providing context. Your attempts to derail the subject through infinite, petty sniping is derailment, Giggly.

But since it doesn't refutes your ideologically motivated ideas you don't want it included in the discussion.

Giggly Dog: I do wince every time I see one of your ridiculous hobby horses trotted out because I think of the pain it must cause to pull it out of your ass.

Ah, Giggly Dog adds vulgarity to his hateful ad hominem attack on a far better and wiser man. Now vulgarity - THAT'S *rational*.

Fascinating. Your entire response is a perfect example of what you falsely claim I am guilty of.

 

[Will Wiley]

How some Australian comedians see it.
[YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/kqpjSLi2Cfg[/YOUTUBE]

 

[whichphilosophy]

I think it's cute the way he shows a picture of the victim in the hands of 3 white police officers, and then circles the faces of the three black officers. Two of whose contributions to the event did not involve touching the victim at all. Where the illegal arrest of this man was performed by the three white cops. But hey, who cares about accuracy, right?

Actually we have discussed this and the arrest most likely wasn't illegal. The officers were entitled to chase, stop and search and the knife was most likely illegal - and even if it were legal you would have to prove the arresting officers knew that at the time of the arrest. .

The exact circumstances will still need to be established at the Trial. The police are likely to say they had had probable cause to stop and search him but this is a side issue.

 

[whichphilosophy]

I really think the police brutality is aimed at the poor, not just any particular race.

Blacks are more likely to be poor because of racism and decreased opportunity, and the fact that as a whole they are climbing from a recent past of slavery and legal racial discrimination, and THEN they are more likely to be brutalized by the police because they are poor.

This is America. The poor don't count. You won't hear the Republican presidential candidates talking about the needs of the poor and how to help the poor. The Democrats won't talk about it much either. They will just call them lazy and greedy and corrupt. Amazing projection.

America is a nation divided by race, but it is a nation more divided by class.

How can you determine if a person is poor because appearance can be deceiving?

 

[whichphilosophy]

My favorite part of this argument about a man who was allegedly killed by police actions while in police custody by the more right-wing of the group is the complaint that racism had a hand in the actions that killed the person. Not a peep out of them about the police being responsible for a man's death.

This is why there will be a trial to best establish who is responsible and how.

 

[Starman]

I really think the police brutality is aimed at the poor, not just any particular race.

That is a hateful, malicious, divisive, destructive lie. And so is this:

Blacks are more likely to be poor because of racism and decreased opportunity, and the fact that as a whole they are climbing from a recent past of slavery and legal racial discrimination, and THEN they are more likely to be brutalized by the police because they are poor.

Three in a row.

America is a nation divided by race, but it is a nation more divided by class.

People move from poorer classes to wealthier ones throughout their lives. My parents were very poor, but I worked hard, was the first one in my family to go to college, and earned an advanced degree.

Inciting class and race warfare, as Democrats do constantly for petty political gain, is destroying America.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Inciting class and race warfare, as Democrats do constantly for petty political gain, is destroying America.

Examples please. Because the only ones who use "race war" are the White Nationalists.

Or are people not allowed to stand up against injustice?

 

[Derec]

Inciting class and race warfare, as Democrats do constantly for petty political gain, is destroying America.

Examples please. Because the only ones who use "race war" are the White Nationalists.

Right, because violent black supremacist groups like (New) Black Panthers, Black Liberation Army, Black Guerrilla Family et al were/are all fictional?
And what about this little twerp?
Valdosta State Student Who Stomped US Flag Wants To Kill All White People
Sounds like somebody calling for a race war, doesn't it?

Or are people not allowed to stand up against injustice?

You do not stand against (real or perceived) injustice by committing injustice yourself, for example through violent crimes.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

And these people are part of the Democratic leadership in the Democratic mainstream?

 

[Derec]

And these people are part of the Democratic leadership in the Democratic mainstream?

Do they have to be? They are certainly part of the Left.

 

[Keith&Co.]

And these people are part of the Democratic leadership in the Democratic mainstream?

Do they have to be? They are certainly part of the Left.

Well, Starman still needs to tie 'these individuals' to democrats inciting the race war for political gain. If he wants his accusations to look credible, anyway.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

And these people are part of the Democratic leadership in the Democratic mainstream?

Do they have to be? They are certainly part of the Left.

Please, I don't consider White Nationalist groups part of the Republican party, even though they are part of the Right.

 

[Derec]

Do they have to be? They are certainly part of the Left.

Please, I don't consider White Nationalist groups part of the Republican party, even though they are part of the Right.

But you did say that only White Nationalist groups were into race war and I showed you Black Nationalist groups were as well.

Besides, there is still a lot of admiration even in mainstream Left for Black Nationalism. For example, Angela Davis was able to teach for a long time at University of California not despite but because of her left wing and racial radicalism and involvement in a 1970 courtroom shootout.
And of course the Left is falling all over themselves to defend the new crop of black nationalists like BU professor Saida Grundy.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

I've never even heard these people. What political offices do they hold?

 

[laughing dog]

And these people are part of the Democratic leadership in the Democratic mainstream?

Do they have to be? They are certainly part of the Left.

Don't forget, , the White Nationalists are certainly part of "the Right".

 

[Derec]

I've never even heard these people.

It's cute when lefties on TF play dumb and pretend they have never heard of infamous radicals on their side.
But speaking of Angela Davis and Baltimore, here is a Lefty site using her radical statements from 1972 to justify violent rioting in Baltimore in 2015.
Angela Davis' 1972 Prison Interview Perfectly Explains the "Violence" in Baltimore
Again she is the woman who procured weapons and gave them to a 17 year old in order for him to break her boyfriend out of prison (resulting in the death of a judge and the 17 year old perp) and she was not only inexplicably acquitted but was rewarded with a tenured professorship at University of California. American universities' motto: "it's ok if you are a leftie" - see also Kathy Boudin, a Weather Underground terrorist who was hired by Columbia a few years ago. I guess you never heard of her either.

What political offices do they hold?

I clearly stated they were university professors. Again, playing dumb.