One Nation Under Surveillance!

[southernhybrid]

I know the flock cameras have been mentioned in another thread, but it's so much more than that, so I wanted to start a new thread. Back when W was president I bought but never used a bumper sticker that read: "One Nation Under Surveillance" but it's so much worse now. It's so Orwellian. "It's so Big Brother is watching you" Anyway, I'm going to share an article about more surveillance by the felon's administration and ask anyone else who knows more instances to add them. The article linked is quite long but it has a lot of info in it regarding surveillance on innocent people or groups.

https://www.nytimes.com/2026/08/13/...e_code=1.51A.84wo.UG89nJpEKqAd&smid=url-share

The government conducted expansive surveillance, infiltrated group chats and obtained financial records of organizations never accused of crimes.

Four days after Alex Pretti was fatally shot while filming officers taking part in the Trump administration’s immigration crackdown in Minnesota, the Homeland Security Department quietly opened an investigation at its office in St. Paul.

The target was not the Border Patrol agents who had killed Mr. Pretti, a 37-year-old government nurse, in late January. Instead, it was several left-leaning political organizations — labor unions, a climate change group, socialist collectives — that investigators believed had provided help and money to what they described as the “violent opportunists and agitators” on the street, according to newly released government documents.

As part of their inquiry, the documents show, homeland security officials used an array of invasive tactics during the first half of this year to gather information on many groups and individuals who were never accused of crimes, crossing the line that has traditionally stood between investigating criminal activity and political dissent.

In one instance, officials used administrative subpoenas to obtain more than three years of financial records from the Sunrise Movement, an environmental action group, and a labor union, the Communications Workers of America. That time frame went well beyond the civil unrest in Minnesota, which was prompted by the deployment of thousands of immigration agents to the state during the winter.

In another, investigators scrutinized three years’ worth of wire transfers made by the nation’s biggest health care workers union, the Service Employees International Union, in what they referred to as an inquiry into “domestic terrorist financing.”

The documents further detailed an expansive covert surveillance operation in which undercover agents spied on protesters and organizers at meetings held online, as well as in libraries, parks and churches, taking down not only what they said, but also their names and sometimes license plate numbers. The undercover agents also infiltrated group chats on Signal, listening as activists discussed coming demonstrations and their political opinions.

So far, none of the organizations targeted by the homeland security inquiry, conducted with the U.S. attorney’s office in Minnesota, have faced charges. And yet, as the investigation moved forward, prosecutors showed grand jurors a PowerPoint slide asserting that 18 groups — including the A.F.L.-C.I.O., the country’s largest federation of labor unions — were part of a conspiracy to impede the work of immigration officers in Minnesota.

Ultimately, that supposed conspiracy led in June to the indictment of 15 people accused of interfering with law enforcement agents as members of the far-left movement known as antifa.

The Homeland Security Department did not respond to a message seeking comment. A spokesman for the U.S. attorney’s office in Minnesota declined to answer questions about the investigative tactics.

 

[ZiprHead]

Jacob Soboroff went over this subject this morning on MSNow. An agent infiltrated one group meeting and tried to instigate them into violence.

 

[ZiprHead]

Have I Been Flocked? – Search Flock ALPR Audit Logs

Have police looked up your travel history? Search Flock Safety audit logs for your license plate.

haveibeenflocked.com

 

[brewer]

My attempts to be noticed appear to be unsuccessful.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Your home router and a bit of AI can produce a 3D image of you moving about in your home.

 

[southernhybrid]

My attempts to be noticed appear to be unsuccessful.

You're new. Go introduce yourself in the lounge and we will notice you but we won't flock you. This place needs some newbies as the rest of us are getting a bit stale.

 

[RVonse]

Back even before the covid outbreak I was riding one of the high speed trains in China to another city. And the train station was filled with wall to wall people qued up like in Disneyland. Walking through the train gate instantly pulled up and showed individual license ID information on a very public and very large display in order to get into the train. Instant facial recognition. Usually holding up a line is not something I would feel good about. But I remember feeling so good by being an exception and not being recognized by their program. Since I was a foreigner, and actually having to show my passport and paper ticket to a real person.

The west in on the same trajectory and there is no stopping any of this either.

 

[brewer]

You're new. Go introduce yourself in the lounge and we will notice you but we won't flock you. This place needs some newbies as the rest of us are getting a bit stale.

Maybe later.

 

[southernhybrid]

For some reason I can't post an article from NPR that goes into detail about interviewing citizens who were followed by ICE.

 

[southernhybrid]

@RVonse I think my linked article from the NYT compares what's happening to us to what's been going on in China and Russia for a long time.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Back even before the covid outbreak I was riding one of the high speed trains in China to another city. And the train station was filled with wall to wall people qued up like in Disneyland. Walking through the train gate instantly pulled up and showed individual license ID information on a very public and very large display in order to get into the train. Instant facial recognition. Usually holding up a line is not something I would feel good about. But I remember feeling so good by being an exception and not being recognized by their program. Since I was a foreigner, and actually having to show my passport and paper ticket to a real person.

The west in on the same trajectory and there is no stopping any of this either.

Yes, it can, it is called passing fucking laws about fucking things that people fucking care about. IE, passing a digital civil rights bill.

Instead, we get people running on data centers, immigration, and transgenders.

 

[laughing dog]

For some reason I can't post an article from NPR that goes into detail about interviewing citizens who were followed by ICE.

Were you ever an union member?

 

[crazyfingers]

For some reason I can't post an article from NPR that goes into detail about interviewing citizens who were followed by ICE.

I found the story but this board will not allow me to post the link either.

 

[southernhybrid]

For some reason I can't post an article from NPR that goes into detail about interviewing citizens who were followed by ICE.

I found the story but this board will not allow me to post the link either.

I have tried in the past to link articles from NPR, so maybe it has something to do with NPR.

 

[southernhybrid]

For some reason I can't post an article from NPR that goes into detail about interviewing citizens who were followed by ICE.

Were you ever an union member?

No. I never had the opportunity to join a union, but what has that got to do with not being able to link to the article. Please explain.

 

[ZiprHead]

For some reason I can't post an article from NPR that goes into detail about interviewing citizens who were followed by ICE.

I found the story but this board will not allow me to post the link either.

I have tried in the past to link articles from NPR, so maybe it has something to do with NPR.

Direct linking to the editor doesn't work. Using this works fine.

 

[spikepipsqueak]

I am currently reading a book about ASIO.

There are a few laughs in there.

Some people, on reading their files, are both incensed about the invasion of their privacy and also about the lack of attention ASIO gave to some of their activities.

I love that these principled activists from the 70s are often now community leaders and High Court judges and such like.

One woman met a man through her activism, they became close. One day he pulled the car over and parked. It flashed through her mind that a proposal might be in the works.

He said "I can't do this any more. I don't love you. I work for ASIO."

 

[laughing dog]

For some reason I can't post an article from NPR that goes into detail about interviewing citizens who were followed by ICE.

Were you ever an union member?

No. I never had the opportunity to join a union, but what has that got to do with not being able to link to the article. Please explain.

It was a poor attempt at humor. Union members are surveiled and perhaps interfered with.

 

[bilby]

I am currently reading a book about ASIO.

There are a few laughs in there.

Some people, on reading their files, are both incensed about the invasion of their privacy and also about the lack of attention ASIO gave to some of their activities.

I love that these principled activists from the 70s are often now community leaders and High Court judges and such like.

One woman met a man through her activism, they became close. One day he pulled the car over and parked. It flashed through her mind that a proposal might be in the works.

He said "I can't do this any more. I don't love you. I work for ASIO."

I can't be the only one who saw the thread title and thought it would be about ASIO keeping tabs on Pauline Hanson et al, surely?

 

[steve_bank]

Large scale surveillance began in the 19th century. Pinkerton had a national surveillance system over telegraph and created a data base as we would say today.

AI Overview
The Pinkerton National Detective Agency, founded in 1850 by Allan Pinkerton, operated as the world's largest private law enforcement and surveillance network in the 19th century. Bypassing fragmented local police, they tracked multi-state criminals, ran Union intelligence during the Civil War, and protected corporate interests. Their iconic "We Never Sleep" unblinking eye logo gave rise to the term "private eye".

Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA)

epic.org

The Electronic Communications Privacy Act (“ECPA”) was passed in 1986 to expand and revise federal wiretapping and electronic eavesdropping provisions. It was enacted to create promote ” the privacy expectations of citizens and the legitimate needs of law enforcement.” Congress also sought to support the creation of new technologies by assuring consumers that their personal information would remain safe.

And of course the Patriot AcT.

Hoover as head of the FBI ran it as his personal agagency. He surveilled and got the dirt on major people. JFK and RFK could not get rid of him, he was too powerful. Hoover orchestrated a smear campaign against MLK.

Using government for for political advantage is as old as the nation. Trump carrries it to an extreme and is vocal about it.

AI Overview
Yes, Robert F. Kennedy clashed intensely with FBI Director J. Edgar Hoover while serving as Attorney General. RFK privately stated that if President John F. Kennedy won re-election in 1964, they planned to force Hoover out of office. However, they never actually removed him because of Hoover's immense political leverage and the assassination of JFK.

So if you think Trump is new in terms of survelance , you are mistaken.

Here inn Seattle the cameras do help police to close cases. The local issue is our progressive politicians' with an conceive fear of it being used by ICE. Essentially our mayor. I think pro cameras in Seattle are around 75%. People are fed up with shootings, drugs and prostitution on the streets. Homes being shot at in problem areas.

I am in favor of cameras.

I think any law enforcement agent can potentially access any number of data bases to get information for illegal personal use.

I said years back it is not really government you have o worry about. It is mass private data bases.

The GFC grocery store I go to takes video of customer browsing behavior. Who knows where the video goes.

The cameras are not secret, they hang down from the ceiling. You watch yourself on a video screens.




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