Mourning Number 24: The selfless life and tragic death of Zaevion Dobson.

[AthenaAwakened]

There's a saying that the true character of a person shines in a time of crisis.

There's no doubt of Zaevion William Dobson's character, according to the 15-year-old's friends and family, who are mourning his death.

Thursday evening, the football player jumped on top of three girls to shield them from a spray of bullets in Knoxville, Tennessee, according to police and CNN affiliate WATE.

Police said Friday that the three male suspects believed to be responsible for the shooting had gang ties, and had fired upon on a group of school kids celebrating the holidays.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/12/19/us/zaevion-dobson-killed-shielding-girls-from-bullets/

Condolences to the Family

Gun violence is a public health issue, a life and death issue, a soul of our country issue.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

This is so truly sad. I hope the gangbangers rot in prison for a long, long time. Too many idiots with too many guns.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

This is so truly sad. I hope the gangbangers rot in prison for a long, long time. Too many idiots with too many guns.

And here I am hoping that they are put on a path to help them recognize what they did was absurdly wrong, learn from it, pay a due to society, and get out of prison better people. But fuck, I'm just a worthless liberal, no one cares what I think. Let's just put them in a dungeon with vipers. Fuck society!

People seem to think that the victim of the crime is the only loss in a crime. Society loses more than just the victim.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I think that the only rational solution is to deport all the gangbangers until the government can determine what's going on with them.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I think that the only rational solution is to deport all the gangbangers until the government can determine what's going on with them.

They hate our freedom?

 

[Jayjay]

Whatever the solution, it certainly isn't any kind of gun control or registration or other such reactionary lunacy. It's gotta be something practical and common sense... perhaps constructing some sort of wall around poor people to keep their shootouts from bothering rich people?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Whatever the solution, it certainly isn't any kind of gun control or registration or other such reactionary lunacy. It's gotta be something practical and common sense... perhaps constructing some sort of wall around poor people to keep their shootouts from bothering rich people?

That's an impractical solution. Poor white people also have the right not to be shot. Stop trying to commit class warfare.

 

[+or-1]

Whatever the solution, it certainly isn't any kind of gun control or registration or other such reactionary lunacy. It's gotta be something practical and common sense... perhaps constructing some sort of wall around poor people to keep their shootouts from bothering rich people?

In country after country, more stringent gun control improves the situation. Why do so many otherwise seemingly rational people refuse to accept the clear, unequivocal evidence. Aren't we supposed to be rational?

 

[coloradoatheist]

Whatever the solution, it certainly isn't any kind of gun control or registration or other such reactionary lunacy. It's gotta be something practical and common sense... perhaps constructing some sort of wall around poor people to keep their shootouts from bothering rich people?

In country after country, more stringent gun control improves the situation. Why do so many otherwise seemingly rational people refuse to accept the clear, unequivocal evidence. Aren't we supposed to be rational?

What ocuntry would you say had a high rate of gun violence, implemented gun control and it went down to the levels you suggest? I am just curious.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Whatever the solution, it certainly isn't any kind of gun control or registration or other such reactionary lunacy. It's gotta be something practical and common sense... perhaps constructing some sort of wall around poor people to keep their shootouts from bothering rich people?

In country after country, more stringent gun control improves the situation. Why do so many otherwise seemingly rational people refuse to accept the clear, unequivocal evidence. Aren't we supposed to be rational?

What ocuntry would you say had a high rate of gun violence, implemented gun control and it went down to the levels you suggest? I am just curious.

Insert opportunity to bring up pre-learned talking point here <-----<

 

[coloradoatheist]

Whatever the solution, it certainly isn't any kind of gun control or registration or other such reactionary lunacy. It's gotta be something practical and common sense... perhaps constructing some sort of wall around poor people to keep their shootouts from bothering rich people?

In country after country, more stringent gun control improves the situation. Why do so many otherwise seemingly rational people refuse to accept the clear, unequivocal evidence. Aren't we supposed to be rational?

What ocuntry would you say had a high rate of gun violence, implemented gun control and it went down to the levels you suggest? I am just curious.

Insert opportunity to bring up pre-learned talking point here <-----<

He made the claim. I'm trying to find a similar example of the US that's in. Should we compare areas in the US that have stricter gun control laws to areas that don't?

 

[coloradoatheist]

A better policy would be to decriminalize all drug use. It's been an ineffective policy.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Whatever the solution, it certainly isn't any kind of gun control or registration or other such reactionary lunacy. It's gotta be something practical and common sense... perhaps constructing some sort of wall around poor people to keep their shootouts from bothering rich people?

In country after country, more stringent gun control improves the situation. Why do so many otherwise seemingly rational people refuse to accept the clear, unequivocal evidence. Aren't we supposed to be rational?

What ocuntry would you say had a high rate of gun violence, implemented gun control and it went down to the levels you suggest? I am just curious.

Insert opportunity to bring up pre-learned talking point here <-----<

He made the claim. I'm trying to find a similar example of the US that's in.

Suuuuure you are.

Should we compare areas in the US that have stricter gun control laws to areas that don't?

 

[coloradoatheist]

Whatever the solution, it certainly isn't any kind of gun control or registration or other such reactionary lunacy. It's gotta be something practical and common sense... perhaps constructing some sort of wall around poor people to keep their shootouts from bothering rich people?

In country after country, more stringent gun control improves the situation. Why do so many otherwise seemingly rational people refuse to accept the clear, unequivocal evidence. Aren't we supposed to be rational?

What ocuntry would you say had a high rate of gun violence, implemented gun control and it went down to the levels you suggest? I am just curious.

Insert opportunity to bring up pre-learned talking point here <-----<

He made the claim. I'm trying to find a similar example of the US that's in.

Suuuuure you are.

Should we compare areas in the US that have stricter gun control laws to areas that don't?

I'm trying to find an example of where the gun control restrictions made the difference claimed? What's the best example and it's effectiveness?

 

[Rhea]

He made the claim. I'm trying to find a similar example of the US that's in. Should we compare areas in the US that have stricter gun control laws to areas that don't?

only if you account for guns bought and sold in the areas without strict laws. E.g. Chicago doesn't count as "strict control" because of Indiana and Wisconsin, whose gun sales wind up in Chicago crimes. Sooooo, that is why you know + or - was talking about nationwide gun control, not state by state.

Another option would be state border patrols and checkpoints. We could do that...

Otherwise you need to compare countries which _can_ regulate at the border for guns, and not States which cannot.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Whatever the solution, it certainly isn't any kind of gun control or registration or other such reactionary lunacy. It's gotta be something practical and common sense... perhaps constructing some sort of wall around poor people to keep their shootouts from bothering rich people?

In country after country, more stringent gun control improves the situation. Why do so many otherwise seemingly rational people refuse to accept the clear, unequivocal evidence. Aren't we supposed to be rational?

It's entirely understandable - because they see the U.S. as having different conditions than other countries which would make gun control more difficult to implement.

 

[coloradoatheist]

In country after country, more stringent gun control improves the situation. Why do so many otherwise seemingly rational people refuse to accept the clear, unequivocal evidence. Aren't we supposed to be rational?

It's entirely understandable - because they see the U.S. as having different conditions than other countries which would make gun control more difficult to implement.

Yes. so I am trying to find an example that could be close and say yes this happened so it would have a measurable affect. Has the ban on drugs and the increased punishment for offenses had the desired affect on drug use?

 

[AthenaAwakened]

It's entirely understandable - because they see the U.S. as having different conditions than other countries which would make gun control more difficult to implement.

Yes. so I am trying to find an example that could be close and say yes this happened so it would have a measurable affect. Has the ban on drugs and the increased punishment for offenses had the desired affect on drug use?

FLAG ON THE PLAY!!!!

Moving of goal post. 15 yard penalty, Loss of down.

 

[Toni]

It's entirely understandable - because they see the U.S. as having different conditions than other countries which would make gun control more difficult to implement.

Yes. so I am trying to find an example that could be close and say yes this happened so it would have a measurable affect. Has the ban on drugs and the increased punishment for offenses had the desired affect on drug use?

Are you making the case that violence, in particular, gun violence, is addicting? Or just easy money for criminals? Or both?

 

[GenesisNemesis]

It's entirely understandable - because they see the U.S. as having different conditions than other countries which would make gun control more difficult to implement.

Yes. so I am trying to find an example that could be close and say yes this happened so it would have a measurable affect. Has the ban on drugs and the increased punishment for offenses had the desired affect on drug use?

I have not expressed my opinion on gun control.