Is This the Death of Europe?

[bilby]

Well you haven't read it, so I guess we'll have to take your word.

It would seem much of old Europe is dying, a "place to live" without pride, national culture or identity. It is weak and irresolute. It has lost its soul.

Perhaps pride could be restored in an athletic contest? The Olympics could come to the Continent and the superiority of the Aryan race could be put on display for all to see?

Just throwing the idea out there. Never been done before, but white pride sure is important now, huh?

Just remember not to invite any niggers blacks people of colour American athletes this time; we don't want to embarrass the Führer again like Jesse Owens did in '36.

 

[Archimedes]

Just remember not to invite any niggers blacks people of colour American athletes this time; we don't want to embarrass the Führer again like Jesse Owens did in '36.

And no Upper Voltans either. Fuck them.

 

[ksen]

Ya, fucking white people. Is there anything you don't suck at?

Is there anything right-wingers aren't scared to death of?

 

[bilby]

Ya, fucking white people. Is there anything you don't suck at?

Is there anything right-wingers aren't scared to death of?

Gun violence and climate change.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

I think there are posters in this thread unaware of the fact that their ancestors were emigrants, migrants, etc. It's like people claiming to be Christian and disparaging other religions while they're too fucking dumb to realize their ancestors were every fucking religion ever invented.

If I may:

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”

I think that's engraved on some statue somewhere but I can't be sure. And we're all still alive over here. Mercy.

 

[Archimedes]

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door.”

I think that's engraved on some statue somewhere but I can't be sure. And we're all still alive over here. Mercy.

A French statue. The same French who are bending over and taking it up the ass when they should be shooting dirty brown Muslims invading their country. Therefore something or other.

 

[Jokodo]

Well then, lets fix it.

You don't get to "fix" a blatantly false claim by making an entirely different claim.

So outside of those countries that are adjacent to Muslim world's endless chaos, who actually hosts the real and faux refugees as migrants with a path to citizenship? Who provides the international self-migrating hordes with more than an an internationally donated tent and a Unicef food ration? Japan? China? Saudi Arabia? Iran? Nope.

Only a minority of Afghans in Iran still live in tent cities.

Second, outside of White Europe, only Turkey, Lebanon, and Jordan house millions of Syrian refugees. The US and the international community (including Saudi Arabia) fund their camps. Gulf oil-rich states, however, refuse to let such refugees migrate to their countries.

Isn't it ironic how Western right-wingers consider Saudi Arabia a model society worthy of emulation? Is that how they show their true colors? Also not entirely true: While Saudi Arabia and other Gulf Arab countries never signed the Geneva Convention and don't have an official refugee status in their books, they've made it in the past relatively easy for Syrians to come on tourist visas or attain temporary work permits, and are allegedly turning a blind eye on Syrian citizens who overstay their visas.

Yes, "in the past", the Saudi's have made it relatively easy for foreign workers to attain worker permits...especially for those willing to work under feudal or slave like systems. But it is unclear if NOW they are making it easy for refugees. Read:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...re-doing-next-to-nothing-for-syrias-refugees/

I'm not defending the Gulf countries. Their behaviour is shitty even if it isn't quite as shitty as you try to make it look. That's why emulating them is kind of the worst possible idea.

Less ire, though, has been directed at another set of stakeholders who almost certainly should be doing more: Saudi Arabia and the wealthy Arab states along the Persian Gulf.

As Amnesty International recently pointed out, the "six Gulf countries — Qatar, United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Oman and Bahrain — have offered zero resettlement places to Syrian refugees." This claim was echoed by Kenneth Roth, executive director of Human Rights Watch, on Twitter:...

Three, close to four million Syrian refugees have been living in these camps for years. But it is not the conditions in Turkish and Jordanian refugee camps are that triggered these waves (which is the same as ever),

Blatantly false, again. The UN's world food programme had to halve the value of the food vouchers distributed to refugees in those, and cut about one in three entirely off their assistance, earlier this year.

Nope. Life in the camps has always been unpleasant, so much so many live in their own unofficial shelters; but the difficulties are not unprecedented...food aid has cyclically cut and later restored, winter clothing in short supply, leaky tents, no electricity, minimal medical care, no prospects for a better life, etc. But so far there are no reports of new outbreaks of widespread starvation. The only 'falsehood' is in your patronizing assumption that the refugees are deaf and dumb to the promises of free food, apartment styled housing, public schooling, free medical care, and pocket money that awaits in the West, particularly countries like Germany (or Sweden).

The West does not have the desire, will and/or the backbone to preserve "borders, language, and culture"...and they know it.

Four, the numbers keep rising. Merkel of Germany has raised the number from 800K to 1,000,000,000. The crush of self-migrating peoples have overwhelmed European transport systems to the point train service has ceased between certain German and Hungarian cities.

False again. First of all, Germany doesn't even share a border with Hungary. ... What you said is half-true, insofar as, on the one hand, train service between Budapest and that little country's capital was briefly interrupted, while on the other hand, Germany at one point cut *all* train services to and from that little country and continues to interrupt train service between Munich and the border along the main route from that little country to Munich. But at least the latter was entirely, and explicitly so, a political decision, not the effect of transport infrastructure being overwhelmed. So, I grant you 25% correct, 75% false.

I said "self-migrating people's have overwhelmed European transport systems to the point train service has ceased between certain German and Hungarian cities.". I should have said Austrian (not German). And, so, that improves your case how? Answer: Not at all.

From the article:

And why the crush of “migrants” has so overwhelmed European transport systems that train service had to be stopped between Budapest and Vienna, and between Munich and Salzberg. It explains the mountains of rubbish, food, and feces the “migrants” have left behind wherever the gather.

Gotta love those Americans - present themselves as defenders of Europe and know so little about it that they can't spell Salzburg. Or maybe it's a Freudian slip, mixing it up with "Hohensalzberg", the Führer's nearby final headquarter that plays such a relevant role in their world?

And its not cheap: one million foreigners a year for two years the bill could run to €25 billion ($28 billion). Germany had been running a budget surplus of a few billion a year...till now. Germany already has an indigestible mass of Turks who are a recognized scourge, and the average time between immigration and full-time work is six or more years.

It's true that Turks in Germany have high unemployment rates and are often on welfare, but they're also much younger than the average population. Therefore, in aggregate, they pay more into social security and taxes than they extract in welfare and pensions, netting the public coffers a plus.

Some do, many don't.

You do know the meaning of the words "in aggregate", don't you?

It only gets worse from this point down and I have better things to do than comment every hateful phrase of yours, so good bye and grow some balls.

Hate? I admire the European races of men and the contributions of Western Civilization, so much so I am saddened by their willful self-destruction. It's just too bad they are filled with so little pride (and so much self-loathing) they need to purge their past demons by hosting the culture that will, one day, cut their throats.

You're on the losing side, you just don't know it.

Yes, hateful. This might be a new idea for you, but among folks who recognise non-Europeans as human, hatred is considered hatred too when it's not directed against Europeans.

 

[thebeave]

Ya, fucking white people. Is there anything you don't suck at?

Is there anything right-wingers aren't scared to death of?

You should know. Weren't one just a couple of years ago?

 

[Jayjay]

This is blatant nonsense. The top ten refugee hosting countries in the world in 2014 were, in this order, Turkey (mostly Syrians), Pakistan (mostly Afghans), Lebanon (almost entirely Syrians), Iran (Afghans), Ethiopia (Somalians, Eritreans, South Sudanese), Jordan (Syrians; Palestinians are not counted in these figures), Kenya (mostly Somalians), Chad (Sudanese and South Sudanese), Uganda (South Sudanese, Central Africans), and China (maybe Myanmar?) (UNHCR report 2014 edition, bottom of page 12, explanations my educated best guesses). To be fair, Turkey is white and (partly) European, but that's probably not what you meant.

To be fair, hosting refugees isn't the same as absorbing them. The people in camps in Turkey have little chance of getting residency or citizenship, which is one reason why they are going to Europe.

 

[skepticalbip]

I think there are posters in this thread unaware of the fact that their ancestors were emigrants, migrants, etc.

Some of my ancestors were emigrants. Some of my ancestors who were already here helped them get settled in. There is little lift of the culture of one of these groups of ancestors. That culture is now little more than shows put on to amuse tourists.

 

[ksen]

Is there anything right-wingers aren't scared to death of?

You should know. Weren't one just a couple of years ago?

Hi, my name is ksen. I'm a right-a-holic but I've been clean and sober for 9 years so far.

 

[dystopian]

Hate? I admire the European races of men and the contributions of Western Civilization, so much so I am saddened by their willful self-destruction. It's just too bad they are filled with so little pride (and so much self-loathing) they need to purge their past demons by hosting the culture that will, one day, cut their throats.

Au contraire, my cultural pride is strong enough that I don't fear the influx of those who don't share it: their presence does not threaten the pride I feel. My cultural pride is strong enough that I am confident that, in the matter of an immigrant population and their descendents clashing with my own, I fully trust that they will be absorbed in time.

It is the people who share your attitude who threaten my pride; because your attitude when shared by my countrymen can be nothing but a source of shame.

 

[Frikki]

You should know. Weren't one just a couple of years ago?

Hi, my name is ksen. I'm a right-a-holic but I've been clean and sober for 9 years so far.

BTW what happened to you? You were crazy back then.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

Is it wrong or weird that I have no cultural pride?

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Is it wrong or weird that I have no cultural pride?

But everyone needs to have cultural pride for some strange, arbitrary reason!

Hate? I admire the European races of men

Are you from the 19th century, Max?

 

[maxparrish]

...It would seem much of old Europe is dying, a "place to live" without pride, national culture or identity. It is weak and irresolute. It has lost its soul.

Is this a quote from Mein Kampf? It has very much the same style and tone.

Really? That's odd given that I identify as a semitophile. The problem with Hitler is not that he would have opposed mass migrations of third worlders into Germany but that he wanted to exterminate many of them in their own countries - as well as those Germans whose ancestral genetics might be traced, in part, to the Jewish diaspora of 1000 AD.

Moreover, I think a little cultural 'salt and pepper' of a base population is quite charming; it creates entertaining and stimulating cultural variety...say, something like touristy Chinatown or Little Italy in S.F. in the 1950s, or the Barrio de Analco Historic District of Santa Fe. And I am sure there were such "salt and pepper" cultures in Germany.

But I also believe that it has been in the interests of American European Whites and African Blacks, and the German people (and Western Culture) to have maintained its historic native born population (as the American Indian belatedly realized). Dilution of the historic populations greater than 5 percent almost always means trouble.

 

[maxparrish]

But everyone needs to have cultural pride for some strange, arbitrary reason!

Hate? I admire the European races of men

Are you from the 19th century, Max?

Some terms always retain their value, and convey exactly what I mean.

 

[Ford]

But I also believe that it has been in the interests of American European Whites and African Blacks, and the German people (and Western Culture) to have maintained its historic native population. Dilution of the historic populations greater than 5 percent almost always means trouble.

Ah yes. The native American European Whites.

 

[maxparrish]

But I also believe that it has been in the interests of American European Whites and African Blacks, and the German people (and Western Culture) to have maintained its historic native population. Dilution of the historic populations greater than 5 percent almost always means trouble.

Ah yes. The native American European Whites.

Until recently the historic population has been mainly European and African. Prior to that, it was American Indian. Had these population groups kept their numbers to 95 percent of the base population, they each (in their era) would have avoided cultural dissolution and genetic destruction.

 

[abaddon]

But everyone needs to have cultural pride for some strange, arbitrary reason!

The assumption behind the self-hate rhetoric is that you must feel the blood-ties with your own kind deeply (with reference to what paragons of art and science ‘we’ are for extra emotional impact) or else you’re a sort of traitor. There’s a blurring of the lines of personal identity and tribal identity very like the anti-individualistic ideation of nationalist socialists. So if you don't stay loyal to the tribe, then you apparently hate it... and since it's you, therefore you hate yourself.

It’s the same ‘stay loyal to us, your own kind, so that you don’t make me nervous’ instinctive impulse that produces “species traitor” and similar accusations against environmentalists who are perceived as threats to “progress”. It’s something that helped bind tribes and eliminate opposition from within throughout history that still seems vital today to some sorts of mind.

So, not so strange or arbitrary. It's an ancient mindfuck manipulation.