Immigration Issues

[TSwizzle]

80 year old fool fucks around and finds out.

SANTA BARBARA, Calif. (KEYT) – A local man was taken into custody and an 80-year-old attorney was pepper-sprayed during a confrontation between ICE agents and observers in Santa Barbara Friday.

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Silly old duffer could have been hurt but should know better.

 

[Elixir]

Silly old duffer could have been hurt but should know better.

... than to have a conscience.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

80 year old fool fucks around and finds out.

SANTA BARBARA, Calif. (KEYT) – A local man was taken into custody and an 80-year-old attorney was pepper-sprayed during a confrontation between ICE agents and observers in Santa Barbara Friday.

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Silly old duffer could have been hurt but should know better.

Sure, Jan.

 

[southernhybrid]

I know that sometimes WaPo asked for email addresses or shit like that before allowing one to read a "shared" article, so I'll post part of the info in the link. I'm sure anyone interested should be able to find more about this if they bother to look.

https://wapo.st/4aS06mU




"A former instructor for Immigration and Customs Enforcement told congressional Democrats the agency has cut “vital classes” from mandatory training for recruits.




Ryan Schwank, who resigned from his job at an ICE academy in Georgia last week, told congressional Democrats at a hearing that the agency eliminated 240 hours of “vital classes” from a mandatory 580-hour training program, including instruction about the legal boundaries for the use of force, how to safely handle firearms, and the proper way to detain and arrest immigrants.

“Law enforcement is a deadly serious business. It is not a place for shortcuts,” Schwank said. “Deficient training can and will get people killed. … ICE is lying to Congress and the American people about the steps it is taking to ensure that 12,000 officers can faithfully uphold the Constitution and perform their jobs.”

Ahead of the hearing, Schwank provided a joint panel of House and Senate Democrats copies of internal ICE documents that he said show the extent of the cuts. The documents indicated that the Federal Law Enforcement Training Centers in Glynco, Georgia, shortened its training program from 72 days to 42 days.

Democratic lawmakers said that a side-by-side comparison of a table of contents for the ICE basic training program in July 2025 — before a tranche of new funding from Congress for the agency to hire thousands of officers — and February 2026 appears to show that “a number of courses have been wholly cut from ICE’s training program.”
The Department of Homeland Security, which oversees ICE, “has knowingly jeopardized the safety of Americans by systematically dismantling the training designed to educate ICE officers on the legal limits of their authority,” Rep. James Walkinshaw (D-Virginia) said.

Schwank’s testimony comes two weeks after acting ICE director Todd M. Lyons testified in front of separate House and Senate committees amid growing public outrage over the aggressive tactics of ICE and other federal immigration officers. Two U.S. citizens were fatally shot by federal officers in Minneapolis last month."

 

[Emily Lake]

And it can have a cost, also true. But I really don't understand the strong opposition to doing something really basic and straightforward that will increase everyone's trust in our elections.

I didn't mis-trust elections till Rump and the Repugs started fucking with them.

Sure... but your trust in them has lessened, has it not?

I doubted my single honest (blue) vote had any effect on elections in this red distrect.
I doubt anyone's single fraud vote would have any effect either.
If fraud were widespread, it would be obvious. The grifter wouldn't tell us about it. He would be silently involved in it.

I think I've said this several times already, but it's less about how much fraud has already happened, than it is about 1) closing loopholes that could be exploited in the future and 2) getting politicians to stfu about it so we can move on with our lives and not have to hear about it anymore.

 

[laughing dog]

And it can have a cost, also true. But I really don't understand the strong opposition to doing something really basic and straightforward that will increase everyone's trust in our elections.

I didn't mis-trust elections till Rump and the Repugs started fucking with them.

Sure... but your trust in them has lessened, has it not?

I doubted my single honest (blue) vote had any effect on elections in this red distrect.
I doubt anyone's single fraud vote would have any effect either.
If fraud were widespread, it would be obvious. The grifter wouldn't tell us about it. He would be silently involved in it.

I think I've said this several times already, but it's less about how much fraud has already happened, than it is about 1) closing loopholes that could be exploited in the future and 2) getting politicians to stfu about it so we can move on with our lives and not have to hear about it anymore.

There is little evidence that “loophole” are currently being exploited and there has been no evidence that any rational person should expect them to be exploited in the future. It is not possible to silence poor losers.

So why should we increase the cost of voting, especially since turnout is already more of a problem than vote fraud.

 

[Emily Lake]

Look, I think having the same rules regarding proof of citizenship and identification for voting in all states is a good idea. I get that there aren't a ton of illegal people voting, but it continues to be a political talking point, and it continues to reduce trust in our elections.

I liken it to having a lock on my house. Sure, I live in a pretty safe area. Sure, I'm not aware of any house within about a 5 mile radius of my location having been broken into within the last 10 years. Yes, the likelihood of someone breaking into my house is extremely small. And yes, getting a new lock has a cost in terms of my time and the lock itself.

But it's still a good idea to replace my broken front door lock, and I think it's stupid for anyone to try to argue against it on the basis that it's unlikely to happen and getting a lock costs time and money and is an inconvenience.

I'm perfectly happy to discuss ways to facilitate people getting proof of their citizenship if it's lost, bearing the cost to initiate the process via taxes, and making sure there are good systems in place when people move or change names or whatever else. But can we at least discuss solutions instead of people just opposing it out of hand?

 

[Toni]

What

Look, I think having the same rules regarding proof of citizenship and identification for voting in all states is a good idea. I get that there aren't a ton of illegal people voting, but it continues to be a political talking point, and it continues to reduce trust in our elections.

I liken it to having a lock on my house. Sure, I live in a pretty safe area. Sure, I'm not aware of any house within about a 5 mile radius of my location having been broken into within the last 10 years. Yes, the likelihood of someone breaking into my house is extremely small. And yes, getting a new lock has a cost in terms of my time and the lock itself.

But it's still a good idea to replace my broken front door lock, and I think it's stupid for anyone to try to argue against it on the basis that it's unlikely to happen and getting a lock costs time and money and is an inconvenience.

I'm perfectly happy to discuss ways to facilitate people getting proof of their citizenship if it's los bearing the cost to initiate the process via taxes, and making sure there are good systems in place when people move or change names or whatever else. But can we at least discuss solutions instead of people just opposing it out of hand?

What kind of risk you personally take with your property and safety is very much your business.

Enacting national voting regulations affects us all, and not in the good way. It seeks to ‘solve’ problems that do not exist. More importantly, it is contra-indicated in the US Constitution.

Most of the cases of voter fraud are committed by convicts who have served their sentences but have not been well informed about whether or not they are eligible again to vote—honest mistakes.

I think the Trump family have voted in areas where they are not actually registered. I may be mis-remembering..,

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

How is Trump a trustworthy solution to the distrust he is creating?

 

[Tigers!]

And it can have a cost, also true. But I really don't understand the strong opposition to doing something really basic and straightforward that will increase everyone's trust in our elections.

I didn't mis-trust elections till Rump and the Repugs started fucking with them.

Sure... but your trust in them has lessened, has it not?

I doubted my single honest (blue) vote had any effect on elections in this red distrect.
I doubt anyone's single fraud vote would have any effect either.
If fraud were widespread, it would be obvious. The grifter wouldn't tell us about it. He would be silently involved in it.

I think I've said this several times already, but it's less about how much fraud has already happened, than it is about 1) closing loopholes that could be exploited in the future and 2) getting politicians to stfu about it so we can move on with our lives and not have to hear about it anymore.

There is little evidence that “loophole” are currently being exploited and there has been no evidence that any rational person should expect them to be exploited in the future. It is not possible to silence poor losers.

So why should we increase the cost of voting, especially since low/pathetic turnout is already more of a problem than vote fraud.

FIFY

 

[laughing dog]

Look, I think having the same rules regarding proof of citizenship and identification for voting in all states is a good idea. I get that there aren't a ton of illegal people voting, but it continues to be a political talking point, and it continues to reduce trust in our elections.

Ah, if people rant about nonexistent problems, we should act to make exercising a basic right more difficult and costly? IMO, that’s irrational. Moreover making it harder for people who’ve changed their name (who tend to women) or poorer people reduces my trust in the elections.

If you are really interested in increasing trust in elections, stop repeating the misinformation about election fraud. Instead of nodding along the next time someone spouts their unfounded concerns, share the facts and dispel their fears.

Your lock analogy is more applicable to national election law if it included that because your house needed a new lock, everyone in the USA is required to get a new lock.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Look, I think having the same rules regarding proof of citizenship and identification for voting in all states is a good idea. I get that there aren't a ton of illegal people voting, but it continues to be a political talking point, and it continues to reduce trust in our elections.

What about the damn Visigoths?! Why are they influencing our elections. Our elections should be free of Visigoth involvement. I get that Visigoths aren't voting in huge numbers...

You are looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Your argument is akin to the Vax denier in the Science forum. There are existing rules, there are requirements to vote. Voter fraud is a near non-existent problem. And it sucks that I have to jump through multiple hoops to help get my disabled mother to vote because of the made up fear of Visigoths impacting our elections. Ohio wants her to personally drop off the ballot at the County board of elections!

I liken it to having a lock on my house. Sure, I live in a pretty safe area. Sure, I'm not aware of any house within about a 5 mile radius of my location having been broken into within the last 10 years. Yes, the likelihood of someone breaking into my house is extremely small. And yes, getting a new lock has a cost in terms of my time and the lock itself.

But it's still a good idea to replace my broken front door lock, and I think it's stupid for anyone to try to argue against it on the basis that it's unlikely to happen and getting a lock costs time and money and is an inconvenience.

An incredibly awful argument seeing the number of burglaries in the US is around a million a year, where as voting fraud a dozen maybe a state? And they are caught.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Look, I think having the same rules regarding proof of citizenship and identification for voting in all states is a good idea. I get that there aren't a ton of illegal people voting, but it continues to be a political talking point, and it continues to reduce trust in our elections.

What about the damn Visigoths?! Why are they influencing our elections. Our elections should be free of Visigoth involvement. I get that Visigoths aren't voting in huge numbers...

The solution to the problem of the Visigoths is to annex Greenland. This is all the Democrats' fault for not annexing Greenland when they had the chance. Once that happens, we can have free and fair elections like never before. People will be saying "how did our elections become so free? It's because Trump finally got rid of the Visigoths by annexing Greenland."

 

[TSwizzle]

A Costa Mesa woman accused of registering her dog to vote in two Southern California elections made her first court appearance Tuesday in Westminster. The dog's vote was counted in the 2021 gubernatorial recall election, but rejected in the 2022 primary, according to federal prosecutors.

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Voter fraud, in California at least is a thing.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

"Laura Yourex sincerely regrets her unwise attempt to expose flaws in our state voting system, intending to improve it by demonstrating that even a dog can be registered to vote," Coulter said.

Of course, she was caught thanks to these flaws.

The 2022 primary ballot registered in the dog's name was challenged and rejected.

I am curious how it slipped in 2021, but was caught in 2022.

 

[TSwizzle]

"Laura Yourex sincerely regrets her unwise attempt to expose flaws in our state voting system, intending to improve it by demonstrating that even a dog can be registered to vote," Coulter said.

Of course, she was caught thanks to these flaws.

She wasn't caught, she self reported.

 

[Shadowy Man]

Look, I think having the same rules regarding proof of citizenship and identification for voting in all states is a good idea. I get that there aren't a ton of illegal people voting, but it continues to be a political talking point, and it continues to reduce trust in our elections.

I liken it to having a lock on my house. Sure, I live in a pretty safe area. Sure, I'm not aware of any house within about a 5 mile radius of my location having been broken into within the last 10 years. Yes, the likelihood of someone breaking into my house is extremely small. And yes, getting a new lock has a cost in terms of my time and the lock itself.

But it's still a good idea to replace my broken front door lock, and I think it's stupid for anyone to try to argue against it on the basis that it's unlikely to happen and getting a lock costs time and money and is an inconvenience.

I'm perfectly happy to discuss ways to facilitate people getting proof of their citizenship if it's lost, bearing the cost to initiate the process via taxes, and making sure there are good systems in place when people move or change names or whatever else. But can we at least discuss solutions instead of people just opposing it out of hand?

I mostly agree with you here, but I don't see much effort being put into "ways to faciliate people getting proof of their citizenship". Is that in the SAVE act? You can change your locks but if it prevents members of your own family from getting inside then it's an obligation on you to help them. Since voting is a Constitutional right, it must be protected by the government.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

From here:

The 2022 primary ballot cast in the dog's name was challenged and rejected because proof of residence and registration required for first-time voters was not shown, the DA's office said.

She was flagged and rejected in the primary. She was not caught in the recall vote initially.

This is because the state-only election system in California is less strict than the federal election system in California: Under California law, you do not need to provide a Social Security number or Driver’s License at the time of registration to cast a ballot in a purely state election. The system relies on the Affidavit of Registration, where you sign under penalty of perjury. Meanwhile, the 2022 primary included races for the US Senate and House. Under HAVA, first-time voters in a federal election who register by mail must provide proof of residence or a verified ID (like the last 4 digits of an SSN or a DL number).

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

"Laura Yourex sincerely regrets her unwise attempt to expose flaws in our state voting system, intending to improve it by demonstrating that even a dog can be registered to vote," Coulter said.

Of course, she was caught thanks to these flaws.

She wasn't caught, she self reported.

I see no evidence she self-reported and that was why the 2022 ballot was challenged.

Yourex, 62, is accused of illegally casting ballots in her dog's name in the 2021 gubernatorial recall election and 2022 primary election, according to the Orange County district attorney's office.

Yourex allegedly informed the Orange County Registrar of Voters in October that she had registered her dog, Maya Jean Yourex, to vote, prosecutors said.

The 2022 primary ballot cast in the dog's name was challenged and rejected because proof of residence and registration required for first-time voters was not shown, the DA's office said.

 

[Elixir]

Elections were secure until Trump.
Trump is a cheater. He cheated in 2016 using foreign interference, and again in the last two cycles. Now he knows that level of cheating can’t save him. He has to undermine the midterms and keep his cabal of rapists and pedophile enablers in power, or his ass is grass.
So he will do everything the power of the presidency offers, to corrupt the electoral system, and use that corruption to declare the election results invalid.
Wanna bet, Swiz?