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So here we are...a week away from the official nomination of the first woman with an actual chance to win the Presidency.


On another social media platform I read something which has been echoed throughout this campaign..."is she really qualified?" The implication was that all she had was the fact that she was a woman.

I understand that people have some trust issues with Mrs. Clinton, but Jesus H. Tap-dancing Christ can we finally put to bed the notion that she's unqualified and/or playing the "woman card"?

If all she'd done was to be First Lady, that would be considered an accomplishment. If she'd done nothing more than getting elected to the Senate, that would be enough for most people to consider her remarkable. If she'd landed the job of Secretary of State, that would be remarkable as well. First female Presidential candidate of a major party? Historic. Epic. Unprecedented.


Yet despite doing all of these things, for some reason Hillary Rodham Clinton is being treated as if she's not quite ready for prime time. If she were a man, and had only been a Senator and Secretary of State, she'd be hailed as the most qualified candidate in recent memory.

What gives?
 
It speaks for itself, doesn't it.
 
Quite the contrary. She's highly qualified to hold the office. To her detriment, I think she comes across as such a pure politician, to some extent it scraps away gender identity. She probably doesn't feel comfortable in either bathroom.
 
Quite the contrary. She's highly qualified to hold the office. To her detriment, I think she comes across as such a pure politician, to some extent it scraps away gender identity. She probably doesn't feel comfortable in either bathroom.

What are the Vegas odds on whether Trump claims to have the bigger penis? And will he be right?
 
The only link her (perceived) lack of qualification has with her being a woman is that her entire political career was built on her marriage to Bill. If she was born Hildebrand Rodham he would not have been married to Bill, would not have had 16 years as "first lady" and thus would not have a spring board to the carpetbagged Senate seat or SecState position.
Hildebrand Rodham would probably have had a good career as a corporate lawyer or something but would not likely have been successful politically beyond state legislature level.

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Quite the contrary. She's highly qualified to hold the office. To her detriment, I think she comes across as such a pure politician, to some extent it scraps away gender identity. She probably doesn't feel comfortable in either bathroom.

Maybe she has an unnaturally large clit.


P.S.: Beside the obvious fact that if she were a man that she would not been able to do these things, being a one term Senator and SecState would not make Hildebrand "most qualified candidate in recent memory". She would not even be most qualified candidate in this primary season. Bernie was a mayor, congressman and a long-term Senator. There were several governors in the race. Hell, Tim Kaine, her running mate, should have been on top of the ticket if we go by qualifications alone and not "it's my turn" and "it's time to have a woman in the White House" nonsense.
 
Maybe she has an unnaturally large clit.


Jealous?


We know you don't like her because she's a woman, but the fact is that gender aside she's one of the most qualified candidates. She was a two-term Senator and the highest ranking Cabinet Secretary. Having lived in the White House for 8 years she is intimately familiar with the workings of that residence, and as one of the most politically active First Ladies she was involved in the Clinton administration to a considerable degree. By some accounts, while she's not as charismatic as her husband she is actually the smarter of the two.


This is what frightens serial misogynists most. A powerful, connected and politically savvy person smarter than them who just happens to have a vagina. Of course this is going to be terrifying to men so corpulent and socially inept that they have to pay women to touch them, but those pathetic lonely individuals aside, the fact that this sort of rhetoric still exists in this society speaks to the fact that we've still got work to do.


Feminism (sorry, did I trigger you with that word?) still exists because the scales still are not even. According to the latest polls, the race is within the statistical margin of error. About 40 percent of Americans look at the choices presented - a man with absolutely no experience in politics or government vs a woman who has spent more time in the White House than any man except FDR - and they're convinced that the man would be the better option.

Of course sexism isn't the only factor...there's bitter partisanship and stupidity involved as well...but there's nobody on the GOP side comparable to Hillary, and except for Carly the failed CEO Fiorina the Party of Lincoln hasn't even entertained the idea of a woman at the top of the ticket. I mean, Condi Rice was Secretary of State, National Security Director, and a black woman to boot but they didn't even ask her. No, we'll go with the orange-headed blowhard on his third trophy wife, says the Republican Party.

The first woman President, or a President who treats women like trinkets...loving them until the sparkle fades and then discarding them for a new shiny object. As Trump himself would say...sad.
 
Not really.

We know you don't like her because she's a woman,

Wrong. There are female leaders I like.

but the fact is that gender aside she's one of the most qualified candidates.
Gender aside? The only reason people say she is "one of the most qualified candidates" is because of her gender. Without the woman card, her resume would be middling at best. That's quite beside from the fact that without being married to Bill she would never have landed the Senate seat and SecState position.

She was a two-term Senator and the highest ranking Cabinet Secretary.
A Senate term is 6 years. She served 8. So 1 1/3 term would be more accurate.
As far as SecState, that cabinet post has been a terminal office in recent times (by recent, I mean 100+ years). The last SecState to be elected president was James Buchanan, in mid 19th century!

Compare Hillary with her running mate. Mayor of Richmond, Lieutenant Governor, Governor, DNC chairman and finally Senator. Government experience on local and state levels, in both executive and legislative side.

Having lived in the White House for 8 years she is intimately familiar with the workings of that residence,
As is the White House chef. That's my chief problem with those who want to claim Hillary is "the most qualified". They have to use her being married to Bill as qualification.
and as one of the most politically active First Ladies she was involved in the Clinton administration to a considerable degree. By some accounts, while she's not as charismatic as her husband she is actually the smarter of the two.
Is "by some accounts" the same as "some say"?
I somehow do not think Bill would have made mistakes like saying he dodged bullets in Tuzla or say he was dead broke because he had a mortgage on several houses, or any of the whoppers Hillary made over the years.



This is what frightens serial misogynists most. A powerful, connected and politically savvy person smarter than them who just happens to have a vagina.
1. Not a misogynist.
2. I did not have a problem with Golda Myer or Margaret Thatcher. I do not have a problem with Theresa May. I do not have a problem with Angela Merkel on account of her gender but on account of her ushering in Muslim mass migration to Germany last year.
3. I am just not impressed with Hillary. I do not think she is anywhere close to being "smartest woman in America" for example. Her political career is predicated on who she is married to, unlike the above mentioned women.

Of course this is going to be terrifying to men so corpulent and socially inept that they have to pay women to touch them, but those pathetic lonely individuals aside, the fact that this sort of rhetoric still exists in this society speaks to the fact that we've still got work to do.
1. People who dislike Hillary do not do it because of her gender. There are much more vile things being said about Trump. Do all those people hate men?
2. Using my personal life and lack of dating success as an "argument" just shows how vacuous your position is. You can't make a convincing pro-Hillary case and that's not really your fault. It's hers.

Feminism (sorry, did I trigger you with that word?) still exists because the scales still are not even.
They are more than even. The pendulum has swung way in the other direction.

According to the latest polls, the race is within the statistical margin of error. About 40 percent of Americans look at the choices presented - a man with absolutely no experience in politics or government vs a woman who has spent more time in the White House than any man except FDR - and they're convinced that the man would be the better option.
Again with you using living in the White House and being married to the president as some sort of qualification.

Of course sexism isn't the only factor...
Whatever sexism against Hillary there might be (and it is highly overrated) it is more than compensated for the kind of sexism that wants to elect a woman, any woman, to the presidency.
I think the biggest problem is the candidate herself. She is viewed as untrustworthy, she fails the beer test etc.

but there's nobody on the GOP side comparable to Hillary,
Well no wives of presidents were running if that's what you mean. As far as political experience, there were several candidates who were far more experienced that Hillary.

and except for Carly the failed CEO Fiorina the Party of Lincoln hasn't even entertained the idea of a woman at the top of the ticket.
Because the gender should trump all else, right?

I mean, Condi Rice was Secretary of State, National Security Director, and a black woman to boot but they didn't even ask her. No, we'll go with the orange-headed blowhard on his third trophy wife, says the Republican Party.
These days you have to run for office yourself, put yourself out there. The party doesn't go around asking people to run, especially when there are 17 candidates already.

The first woman President, or a President who treats women like trinkets...loving them until the sparkle fades and then discarding them for a new shiny object. As Trump himself would say...sad.
A president who treats women like trinkets, or the wife or a president who treats women like trinkets. ;)
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There are female leaders I like.


Yeah, the political discussions forum is practically littered with your posts praising female leaders. Every day there's another "Isn't (fill in the blank woman) Awesome?!" thread and I just don't click on it because I know it will be you gushing over some technocrat like she's the greatest thing on Earth.



The only reason people say she is "one of the most qualified candidates" is because of her gender. Without the woman card, her resume would be middling at best.


Again I don't want to have to search through your many, many threads praising women leaders, so perhaps you could do me a solid and list all the American women you admire who have done so much more than get elected to the Senate twice and then go on to hold the most powerful cabinet post. I'll wait.

1. Not a misogynist.

Not fooling anyone.

2. I did not have a problem with Golda Myer or Margaret Thatcher. I do not have a problem with Theresa May. I do not have a problem with Angela Merkel

"I did not have a problem with" is high praise indeed. With language like that one could easily confuse you for an ardent feminist.

3. I am just not impressed with Hillary. I do not think she is anywhere close to being "smartest woman in America" for example. Her political career is predicated on who she is married to, unlike the above mentioned women.

Weird how you plucked those names out of the hat. Not a single American political figure has caught your eye? Or there's just so many that you admire you felt it would be unfair to list only a few?

2. Using my personal life and lack of dating success as an "argument" just shows how vacuous your position is.

I didn't mention you by name, but if you're gonna own it...

I know...I'm not fooling anyone. But then again, neither are you.

You can't make a convincing pro-Hillary case and that's not really your fault.

The entire point of this thread (and I know you're too busy composing your own post on how much you admire black people to take time forming your response here) is that a man with a resume' comparable to Hillary Clinton's would be considered more than qualified to be President. Our current President did not have that kind of credentials (having been only a one term US Senator and State Senator). Our previous President did not either (having only held one elected office prior). Many of the GOP candidates this round did not have that level of qualification and - of course - their nominee has no government experience whatsoever.

I think the biggest problem is the candidate herself. She is viewed as untrustworthy, she fails the beer test etc.

She is "viewed as untrustworthy" in no small part because of a decades long smear campaign. Something that seems to have worked very well with people who can only communicate in memes.
 
Maybe she has an unnaturally large clit.
Wow, and you wonder why anyone familiar with your posts might conclude you have a problem with women.

Hillary Clinton is not the ideal candidate. And she has been and continues to be her own worst enemy. But compared to the likely alternative, she is the best alternative.
 
Funny thing happened on the way to your position. Turns out a 2008 attempted Hillary smear, when checked showed two things. First the smear was false. http://urbanmyths.com/urban-myths/p...y-clinton-fired-from-watergate-investigation/

An attempted smear by an associate was posted in in 2008 claiming that the associate fired Hillary for unethical behavior.

The problem is that Hillary Clinton remained on the Watergate Committee until Richard Nixon resigned and the Committee was shut down. Hillary Clinton did not work directly for Jerry Zeifman, and so he had no authority to fire her. There is no evidence she was fired, so this story is false

The two things?

1. Hillary was recognized as talented at a national level in where she was part of the Nixon impeachment investigation team in 1973-74

2. She did this before she was married to Bill in 1975.

So blooie to your contention that Hillary got there only because she was married to Bill.

She also was the mother of ObamaCare originally called HillaryCare in the '90s., got reelected to the Senate from NY, the fourth most populous state, because she performed very well, and was chosen and approved by congress as SOS because she had substantial accomplishments. There is much, much, more, like her continuous championing of and getting accomplishments for women's rights and right to choose, but, this iceberg tip should suffice to make the point.

Really, your dating failures and constant belittling women are sufficient to disqualify you from having any credibility on Hillary.
 
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Yeah, the political discussions forum is practically littered with your posts praising female leaders. Every day there's another "Isn't (fill in the blank woman) Awesome?!" thread and I just don't click on it because I know it will be you gushing over some technocrat like she's the greatest thing on Earth.
And how many such gushing posts do I write about male politicians?
Again I don't want to have to search through your many, many threads praising women leaders, so perhaps you could do me a solid and list all the American women you admire who have done so much more than get elected to the Senate twice and then go on to hold the most powerful cabinet post. I'll wait.
Again, I am not in the habit of posting praises of politicians regardless of gender. So you are attacking straw men.
Second, the hyperbolic claim was that she was "the most qualified candidate in recent memory or some variant thereof, not "the most qualified female candidate in recent memory". You are shifting goalposts already. I never said she was not qualified, just that her qualifications were in the middle of the pack, rather than being superlative.

"I did not have a problem with" is high praise indeed. With language like that one could easily confuse you for an ardent feminist.
I am not a feminist. I do not think women deserve special praise just for being women. Because I do not fit well in the mold of partisan politics (as I often disagree with both major parties) "I do not have a problem with" is about as high as I can go with most politicians, male or female.

Weird how you plucked those names out of the hat. Not a single American political figure has caught your eye? Or there's just so many that you admire you felt it would be unfair to list only a few?
If you were to look at these women, you would see that they were all national leaders, heads of their respective governments. Since US hasn't had one of these yet, I obviously could not have any Americans in that list.

I know...I'm not fooling anyone. But then again, neither are you.
Ah, classic projection. Just because you are trying to fool people, you assume I am too.

The entire point of this thread (and I know you're too busy composing your own post on how much you admire black people to take time forming your response here) is that a man with a resume' comparable to Hillary Clinton's would be considered more than qualified to be President.
A man with a similar resume would be considered well qualified (I never claimed Hillary was not qualified either), yes. Middle of the pack is respectable. But he would not be the 'most qualified candidate in recent memory. Not by a long shot.
And you also have to admit that without being married to Bill she would not have had a chance

Our current President did not have that kind of credentials (having been only a one term US Senator and State Senator).
Yes, his resume was a bit thin, and he was criticized at the time for it. Note that Hillary's resume at the time was even thinner, lacking experience in a state legislature.

Our previous President did not either (having only held one elected office prior).
He was a governor of the 2nd largest state. Governors usually rank higher than senators. But he had the same problem as Hillary - he would not have been elected governor without his father being HW.

Many of the GOP candidates this round did not have that level of qualification and - of course - their nominee has no government experience whatsoever.

But many did. John Kasich for example - governor of Ohio and before that in the House for 18 years, including chairmanship of the budget committee.

You are shifting goal posts again. You are not trying to prove there are candidates with less experience than her, but are trying to prove your original assertion - that she is the "most qualified candidate in recent memory". And that she most certainly is not.

She is "viewed as untrustworthy" in no small part because of a decades long smear campaign.
No, the wounds are largely self-inflicted. She did not have to set up a private mail server or delete 30,000 emails. She did not have to lie about sniper fire in Tuzla or say she and Bill were "dead broke". Etc.
Something that seems to have worked very well with people who can only communicate in memes.
Only? I wrote a lengthy post that included only one meme. A pretty damn hillary-ous one at that!
 
1. Hillary was recognized as talented at a national level in where she was part of the Nixon impeachment investigation team in 1973-74

2. She did this before she was married to Bill in 1975.

So blooie to your contention that Hillary got there only because she was married to Bill.

Would her work at the Watergate commission have landed her a NY Senate seat or SecState position? Not bloody likely.

She also was the mother of ObamaCare originally called HillaryCare in the '90s., got reelected to the Senate from NY, the fourth most populous state, because she performed very well, and was chosen and approved by congress as SOS because she had substantial accomplishments. There is much, much, more, like her continuous championing of and getting accomplishments for women's rights and right to choose, but, this iceberg tip should suffice to make the point.

Hillarycare failed, and she wasn't supposed to be involved in it anyway, as she was neither elected nor appointed. Was Denis Thatcher messing with NHS? Of course not!
As for the rest, they do not hardly make her the "most qualified in recent memory".

Really, your dating failures and constant belittling women are sufficient to disqualify you from having any credibility on Hillary.
There really is a cult of personality that if the Chosen One is diminished in any way (even to say that she is not the most qualified in recent memory) personal attacks come out.
 
Wow, and you wonder why anyone familiar with your posts might conclude you have a problem with women.
So it's ok to crack jokes about Trump's penis but not about Hillary's clit? Talk about double standards!

Hillary Clinton is not the ideal candidate. And she has been and continues to be her own worst enemy. But compared to the likely alternative, she is the best alternative.
She probably is. But my point is not her being "lesser of two evils" but criticism of Ford's hyperbole of her qualifications.
 
I never said she was not qualified

You've said over and over again that her entire political career was predicated on the fact that she's the wife of Bill Clinton.

If you're going to lie, you shouldn't be so blatant.
 
So it's ok to crack jokes about Trump's penis but not about Hillary's clit? Talk about double standards!

When he brings it up in a nationally televised debate, and she (so far) doesn't, then yes. And there is no double standard involved. :rolleyes:
 
When he brings it up in a nationally televised debate, and she (so far) doesn't, then yes.
What does that have to do with anything?

And there is no double standard involved. :rolleyes:
I think there is.

Besides, I merely responded to an existing post about her not feeling comfortable in either bathroom.

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I never said she was not qualified

You've said over and over again that her entire political career was predicated on the fact that she's the wife of Bill Clinton.

If you're going to lie, you shouldn't be so blatant.

Those are two separate things. Her Senate and SecState stints are part of her qualifications, but it is still true that she would not have had the chance to win that Senate seat had she not been married to Bill.
 
Her Senate and SecState stints are part of her qualifications, but it is still true that she would not have had the chance to win that Senate seat had she not been married to Bill.

Not really. No.

She's accomplished in her own right, which is why you feel the need to compare your own shortcomings with her clitoris.
 
She's accomplished in her own right
That does not mean her accomplishments would have carried her to a Senate seat from NY and SecState position. How anybody can believe that without being married to Bill she would have had these opportunities is beyond it. And the cult of personality is so strong that if anybody dares challenge it, out come the personal insults.
 
So here we are...a week away from the official nomination of the first woman with an actual chance to win the Presidency.


On another social media platform I read something which has been echoed throughout this campaign..."is she really qualified?" The implication was that all she had was the fact that she was a woman.
Like most of what you post, I don't believe that posting on another social media platform exists. I think you just made it up, cos you were dying to post something about Killary. And on top of that added your own fantasy about what it implied.
 
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