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So, apparently there was a woman's golf tournament and it actually caused some controversy as golf coach Hank Haney was accused of racist, sexist comments over his prediction:

On Wednesday, the day before the start of the United States Women’s Open in Charleston, S.C., Haney predicted during his show that “a Korean” would win and said that he couldn’t name six players on the tour but that he would get “a bunch of them right” if he guessed “Lee” and didn’t have to produce any first names.

The comments quickly drew criticism from several current and former players, including the Hall of Famer Annika Sorenstam and Michelle Wie, one of the most prominent members of the L.P.G.A. tour. Wie wrote on Twitter: “As a Korean American female golfer, these comments that Hank Haney made disappoint and anger me on so many levels. Racism and sexism are no laughing matter Hank ... shame on you.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/30/sports/hank-haney-racist-sexist.html

The prediction turned out to be at least modestly accurate as Jeongeun Lee6, who added the "6" to her last name to differentiate herself from the 5 other Jeongeun Lees on the tour, ended up winning.

So, what exactly crosses the line here into job-losing racism and sexism?
 
Admitting publicly that he can't tell one Korean golfer from another (they all look alike, right?), even though that's his job, and instead making a joke about the # of golfers in the tournament named Lee, even though 40% of the participants named Lee weren't Korean.

Instead of just suspending him, I'd fire him for being lazy. His job is to have semi-intelligent discussion of professional golf, and by his own admission he can't name more than a half dozen of the women on tour. He didn't even know the most important women's tournament was being played this past weekend, and then had to ask where they were playing.
 
Admitting publicly that he can't tell one Korean golfer from another (they all look alike, right?), even though that's his job, and instead making a joke about the # of golfers in the tournament named Lee, even though 40% of the participants named Lee weren't Korean.

Instead of just suspending him, I'd fire him for being lazy. His job is to have semi-intelligent discussion of professional golf, and by his own admission he can't name more than a half dozen of the women on tour. He didn't even know the most important women's tournament was being played this past weekend, and then had to ask where they were playing.

He didn't say "they all look alike". That was you.

I agree he doesn't appear to give much of a shit about women's golf, but if that makes you a racist and sexist, then I think about 99.99% of the world is covered.

And, when did you get placed in charge of what subjects the 'Hank Haney Show" is supposed to care about?
 
Admitting publicly that he can't tell one Korean golfer from another (they all look alike, right?), even though that's his job, and instead making a joke about the # of golfers in the tournament named Lee, even though 40% of the participants named Lee weren't Korean.

Instead of just suspending him, I'd fire him for being lazy. His job is to have semi-intelligent discussion of professional golf, and by his own admission he can't name more than a half dozen of the women on tour. He didn't even know the most important women's tournament was being played this past weekend, and then had to ask where they were playing.

He didn't say "they all look alike". That was you.

His comments made the assumption that all the golfers named "Lee" are Korean. There were and Australian and American "Lee" who make the cut this weakened.

I agree he doesn't appear to give much of a shit about women's golf, but if that makes you a racist and sexist, then I think about 99.99% of the world is covered.

Not being interested in women's golf and expressing mockery and disdain for women's sports are not the same, and Haney did the latter.
His job is to be an expert of the sport of golf, so for him to go out of his way to claim he cannot even name 6 LPGA golfers is either him admitting that he is grossly incompetent and unqualified for his job or was just a way of showing how much disdain he has for women's sports by suggesting the players are not worth knowing. Given that it's implausible he would be trying to admit his incompetence, the latter is the most likely explanation. In fact, he retracted the statement that "I couldn’t name you like, uh, six players on the LPGA tour." by then saying "Nah, maybe I could." That actually made it worse, b/c it proves he wasn't actually ignorant of women golfers, he just said it as a way to convey disdain and disinterest in the women playing the sport he loves and built his career upon.

So yeah, he's a racist and a sexist asshole.
 
Admitting publicly that he can't tell one Korean golfer from another (they all look alike, right?), even though that's his job, and instead making a joke about the # of golfers in the tournament named Lee, even though 40% of the participants named Lee weren't Korean.

Instead of just suspending him, I'd fire him for being lazy. His job is to have semi-intelligent discussion of professional golf, and by his own admission he can't name more than a half dozen of the women on tour. He didn't even know the most important women's tournament was being played this past weekend, and then had to ask where they were playing.

He didn't say "they all look alike". That was you.

I agree he doesn't appear to give much of a shit about women's golf, but if that makes you a racist and sexist, then I think about 99.99% of the world is covered.

And, when did you get placed in charge of what subjects the 'Hank Haney Show" is supposed to care about?

Thanks for not disappointing me with your obtuse response. The people who hired Hank Haney for the "Hank Haney Show" are the ones who are in charge of the subject matter, and since Hank Haney has been suspended, it obviously isn't Hank Haney who's in charge. The people who ARE in charge clearly believe that it's Hank Haney's job to give a shit about women's golf, and to not be so lazy that he has to rely on a stereotype to predict a winner of a tournament he wasn't aware of, even though (in case you still don't get it) that's his job.
 
His comments made the assumption that all the golfers named "Lee" are Korean.

A) No, he did not. He implied a lot of Korean golfers were named "Lee". He said "a Korean" first, then one named Lee to narrow it down.

B) I don't see how either would be racist and/or sexist.

There were and Australian and American "Lee" who make the cut this weakened.

Um, OK. So long as that sort of racism is tolerated here.

I agree he doesn't appear to give much of a shit about women's golf, but if that makes you a racist and sexist, then I think about 99.99% of the world is covered.

Not being interested in women's golf and expressing mockery and disdain for women's sports are not the same, and Haney did the latter.

Women's sports? What other women's sports did he address? He said he doesn't follow the LPGA. Is it racist and sexist not to follow the LPGA? Seriously?

His job is to be an expert of the sport of golf

I didn't realize we had so many experts on Hank Haney's job description here.

It seems far more likely to me based on the facts in evidence that it was not his job at all to be an expert in women's golf.
 
Admitting publicly that he can't tell one Korean golfer from another (they all look alike, right?), even though that's his job, and instead making a joke about the # of golfers in the tournament named Lee, even though 40% of the participants named Lee weren't Korean.

Instead of just suspending him, I'd fire him for being lazy. His job is to have semi-intelligent discussion of professional golf, and by his own admission he can't name more than a half dozen of the women on tour. He didn't even know the most important women's tournament was being played this past weekend, and then had to ask where they were playing.

He didn't say "they all look alike". That was you.

I agree he doesn't appear to give much of a shit about women's golf, but if that makes you a racist and sexist, then I think about 99.99% of the world is covered.

And, when did you get placed in charge of what subjects the 'Hank Haney Show" is supposed to care about?

Thanks for not disappointing me with your obtuse response. The people who hired Hank Haney for the "Hank Haney Show" are the ones who are in charge of the subject matter, and since Hank Haney has been suspended, it obviously isn't Hank Haney who's in charge. The people who ARE in charge clearly believe that it's Hank Haney's job to give a shit about women's golf, and to not be so lazy that he has to rely on a stereotype to predict a winner of a tournament he wasn't aware of, even though (in case you still don't get it) that's his job.

He was suspended because of the outrage over his remarks being racist and sexist, not because he didn't do his job following women's golf. Yet the only explanations I can get here about why his remarks were so outrageous involve reading comprehension failures and/or disingenuous inferences to claim he said things he didn't say. Backed up by implausible, ignorance-based assertions about his job description.
 
An aside, even though I watch almost no sports let alone golf, I don't see why women's golf would be less exciting than men's golf. The strategy employed would be just as good and so on. Same for volleyball, women's volleyball is slightly less interesting than men's on whole but it has better and longer volley streaks. Women's soccer is actually cool as well, but again I just don't watch sports anymore.

Granted, for example in basketball the men dunking and more massive bodies clashing is more exciting on a primal basis to the crowd than women playing. Vicarious sadism and masochism for the win! Even moreso in football, heaven help those players' bodies after retirement.
 
I have to agree, the comments look neither racist or sexist.

He admits that he has limited knowledge of the LPGA and then uses what little knowledge he has to make a prediction. Apparently he knows that Korean golfers have been very successful on the LPGA lately and that some of the ones having success have the surname "Lee."

It would be more informative to hear the conversation in context instead of cherry picked and transcribed into a twitter post. But as it is... I don't necessarily see any racism or sexism.
 
Thanks for not disappointing me with your obtuse response. The people who hired Hank Haney for the "Hank Haney Show" are the ones who are in charge of the subject matter, and since Hank Haney has been suspended, it obviously isn't Hank Haney who's in charge. The people who ARE in charge clearly believe that it's Hank Haney's job to give a shit about women's golf, and to not be so lazy that he has to rely on a stereotype to predict a winner of a tournament he wasn't aware of, even though (in case you still don't get it) that's his job.

He was suspended because of the outrage over his remarks being racist and sexist, not because he didn't do his job following women's golf....
Mr. Haney made racist and sexist remarks because he was too lazy to prepare himself for his show about golf. The fact you don't get his remarks are sexist and racist reveals much more about you than the posters who have given explanations that anyone who passed 1st grade reading would understand.

On the otherhand, this OP along with Maza Crowder OP debunk the myth that only new age leftists are delicate snowflakes.
 
Whomever is working on the Outrage Crew's talking points needs to do a better job on this one.

Three responses and all three have the wildly implausible, easily falsifiable, how-could-anyone-possibly-believe-that claim that it's Hank Haney's job to talk about LPGA golf and zero hint as to why what he (actually) said is racist and sexist.
 
A) No, he did not. He implied a lot of Korean golfers were named "Lee". He said "a Korean" first, then one named Lee to narrow it down.

Nonsense. He mentioned that a Korean would win, then he said that if he guessed the name "Lee" he'd be right, meaning he'd be right in predicted the name of the winner and that they are Korean. That logically assumes that only Koreans are named Lee.


B) I don't see how either would be racist and/or sexist.
Of course you don't. Racism blinds people recognizing similar racism in others.


Um, OK. So long as that sort of racism is tolerated here.
How is it racist to point to two specific women and point out their actual nationality and names? Do you not see the difference between that and talking about a group of non-specific people that you just admitted you don't know and assuming their names from their nationality and their nationality from their names? Not grasping the chasm of difference between those things is a hallmark of a racist mindset.

I agree he doesn't appear to give much of a shit about women's golf, but if that makes you a racist and sexist, then I think about 99.99% of the world is covered.

Not being interested in women's golf and expressing mockery and disdain for women's sports are not the same, and Haney did the latter.

Women's sports? What other women's sports did he address? He said he doesn't follow the LPGA. Is it racist and sexist not to follow the LPGA? Seriously?

So, we can add lack of basic reading skills to your faults. You just quoted me saying that it is not about him merely not following the LGPA, and then you asked me why I think he is sexist for merely not following the LPGA. He is not some random person who doesn't follow the LGPA. He is a paid analyst for professional golf who dedicated his life to the sport, who went out of his way to mockingly pretend that the pro sport is so uninteresting to him when played by women that he doesn't know more than 6 women on tour. But then he admitted that he did know more women on tour, revealing his comment was nothing but an attempt to mock the women's version of the sport as uninteresting. Plus, he also pretended to not even realize that the biggest event in women's pro golf was that weekend. The extreme implausibility of that means, this was another attempt to go out of his way to mock and deride the women's version of the sport he is paid to comment on.
Since he loves the sport of golf itself and is paid to know about the pro sport, his deliberate mockery can only be a mockery of women playing pro sports.

His job is to be an expert of the sport of golf

I didn't realize we had so many experts on Hank Haney's job description here.

It seems far more likely to me based on the facts in evidence that it was not his job at all to be an expert in women's golf.

His co-host asked him about it precisely b/c it is their job. It's a radio show owned by the PGA who strongly promote the women's pro game and have direct business relationships with the LPGA. In fact, the PGA puts on annual "Women's PGA Championship" in collaboration with the LPGA, and most of the players are the one's on the LPGA tour that Haney pretended not to know. The winner that Haney claims credit for predicting played in that Championship last year, along with all the top players in the LPGA that Haney just pretended not to know, including the winner who was one of 10 Korean in that Championship not named Lee. Most of them are playing this weekend in that PGA event, the company Haney works for.

His comments in the professional context in which they occurred are so obviously racist and sexist that going to the lengths you are to make excuses for them is itself strong evidence of racism and sexism (the only other possible explanations being either getting paid to be his PR manager or severe mental disability).
 
Nonsense. He mentioned that a Korean would win, then he said that if he guessed the name "Lee" he'd be right, meaning he'd be right in predicted the name of the winner and that they are Korean. That logically assumes that only Koreans are named Lee.

Here's the passage:

Co-host Steve Johnson: “This week is the 74th U.S. Women’s Open, Hank.”

Haney: “Oh it is? I’m gonna predict a Korean.”

Johnson, laughing: “OK, that’s a pretty safe bet.”

Haney: “I couldn’t name you six players on the LPGA Tour. Maybe I could. Well … I’d go with Lee. If I didn’t have to name a first name, I’d get a bunch of them right.”

Johnson: “We’ve got six Lees.”

Someone whose first language is English will take the following points away from this:

1) He does not follow women's golf much
2) In passing he knows there are a lot of good Korean women players on the LPGA tour
3) He's aware that many of them are named "Lee".
4) Based on all of the above, he's joking that the safe bet for someone who can't name a lot of players on tour would be a Korean named "Lee".

Reminder: the tournament was won by a Korean woman whose name is "Jeongeun Lee6" with the "6" to differentiate her from the other five Jeongeun Lee's onm tour.

Of course you don't. Racism blinds people recognizing similar racism in others.

This is a sad pathetic cop-out that demonstrates the casualness with which you fling about accusations of racism, not an answer.

Not being interested in women's golf and expressing mockery and disdain for women's sports are not the same, and Haney did the latter.

How is it mockery and disdain to say he thinks a Korean will win?

His job is to be an expert of the sport of golf

Even if it was his job, which it fairly obviously wasn't given the facts in evidence, that doesn't make his comments sexist and racist.

Second, if you want to argue "it's his job to talk about the LPGA" please provide even a teeny tiny itty bitty shred of evidence.

His show website does not even have the slightest mention of LPGA golf.

http://hankhaney.com/hank-haney-golf-radio/
 
Thanks for not disappointing me with your obtuse response. The people who hired Hank Haney for the "Hank Haney Show" are the ones who are in charge of the subject matter, and since Hank Haney has been suspended, it obviously isn't Hank Haney who's in charge. The people who ARE in charge clearly believe that it's Hank Haney's job to give a shit about women's golf, and to not be so lazy that he has to rely on a stereotype to predict a winner of a tournament he wasn't aware of, even though (in case you still don't get it) that's his job.

He was suspended because of the outrage over his remarks being racist and sexist, not because he didn't do his job following women's golf....
Mr. Haney made racist and sexist remarks because he was too lazy to prepare himself for his show about golf. The fact you don't get his remarks are sexist and racist reveals much more about you than the posters who have given explanations that anyone who passed 1st grade reading would understand.

On the otherhand, this OP along with Maza Crowder OP debunk the myth that only new age leftists are delicate snowflakes.
Yeah, this is more about a guy that was talking about something he didn't prepare for and really did a bang up job of screwing up than anything about snowflakes.
 
Whomever is working on the Outrage Crew's talking points needs to do a better job on this one.

Three responses and all three have the wildly implausible, easily falsifiable, how-could-anyone-possibly-believe-that claim that it's Hank Haney's job to talk about LPGA golf and zero hint as to why what he (actually) said is racist and sexist.
x Perhaps the problem here is that you do not understand that the LPGA stands for the Ladies Professional Golf Association. It does not take a mental giant to conclude that the job of talking about golf includes talking about the LPGA.
 
Not being interested in women's golf and expressing mockery and disdain for women's sports are not the same, and Haney did the latter.

How is it mockery and disdain to say he thinks a Korean will win?
I explained exactly how his comments were sexist and it has nothing to do with him thinking a Korean will win. You know that, so your straw man question shows nothing but you non-stop intellectual dishonesty that pervades every one of your posts.
He pretended not to know that one of the biggest women's golf majors was that weekend. It is highly implausible he sincerely did not know that and these shows are not just stream of consciousness banter. They plan out the topics ahead of time, so he knew the women's open would be the topic. Also he pretended not to be able to name 6 women golfer, which he then admitted was not true. There is no plausible motive behind those "jokes" from someone paid to talk about pro golf by an organization that puts on women's golf tournaments other than to show disdain for women's golf.




His job is to be an expert of the sport of golf

Even if it was his job, which it fairly obviously wasn't given the facts in evidence, that doesn't make his comments sexist and racist.

Second, if you want to argue "it's his job to talk about the LPGA" please provide even a teeny tiny itty bitty shred of evidence.

His show website does not even have the slightest mention of LPGA golf.

I already gave you damning evidence that you ignored as you do all evidence. His show is on PGA Tour radio. His boss is the PGA. Women's golf is part of the business of the PGA and they make $ off of promoting the LPGA and the specific players that he pretended not to know of.
 
I explained exactly how his comments were sexist and it has nothing to do with him thinking a Korean will win. You know that, so your straw man question shows nothing but you non-stop intellectual dishonesty that pervades every one of your posts.
He pretended not to know that one of the biggest women's golf majors was that weekend. It is highly implausible he sincerely did not know that and these shows are not just stream of consciousness banter. They plan out the topics ahead of time, so he knew the women's open would be the topic. Also he pretended not to be able to name 6 women golfer, which he then admitted was not true. There is no plausible motive behind those "jokes" from someone paid to talk about pro golf by an organization that puts on women's golf tournaments other than to show disdain for women's golf.




His job is to be an expert of the sport of golf

Even if it was his job, which it fairly obviously wasn't given the facts in evidence, that doesn't make his comments sexist and racist.

Second, if you want to argue "it's his job to talk about the LPGA" please provide even a teeny tiny itty bitty shred of evidence.

His show website does not even have the slightest mention of LPGA golf.

I already gave you damning evidence that you ignored as you do all evidence. His show is on PGA Tour radio. His boss is the PGA. Women's golf is part of the business of the PGA and they make $ off of promoting the LPGA and the specific players that he pretended not to know of.

You confuse your bloviating bullshit with "explanations".

Seriously. Learn to read. Learn to comprehend. You are embarrassing yourself.

If he's racist, what race is he against?

If he's sexist what evidence do you have other than he doesn't give much of a shit about the LPGA?

If it's sexist not to give a shit about the LPGA aren't you a sexist asshole yourself? Isn't almost everyone?
 
Anyone remember Jimmy The Greek the sports caster and his comment on black athletes? It quickly ended his career.
 
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