Fraud in Minnesomalia

[bilby]

Welcome to the RMS Titanic deckchair committee meeting. Our first agenda item is the chairs on the Promenade Deck, which are for the use of Second Class passengers; The Chief steward has asked whether these should be arranged in two rows of eight, or in three rows, with an off-set spacing...

HEY! THE SHIP IS SINKING!

... Really? You are engaging in tired old "every thread should be about the giant hole in the ship" whataboutisms. This is not the forum for such discussions, so I would thank you to stick to the topic.

 

[Derec]

See Derec, right here is where you were talking about compatibility and assimilation!

Many Somalis and other migrants from Islamic cultures do not integrate well. That is still true despite your obsession with inserting Trump into every thread.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Let's review, Derec.

You initiated a discussion on the compatibility and assimilation of Somalis, specifically framing it around perceived differences in levels of corruption. The concepts of "compatibility" and "assimilation" are inherently comparative; they require measuring one culture against the host culture.

I challenged your premise by introducing concrete data regarding corruption in Minnesota from an external source--in this case, the context of Donald Trump--to provide a necessary point of comparison. A contrast between Culture A and Culture B was already on the table as a matter of your own assumption, yet you only categorized it as a "derail" once I provided actual, measurable evidence for Culture B.

If you did not want to debate the comparative nuances of corruption, you should not have made it the cornerstone of your argument on assimilation. Shouting me down with accusations of a "derail" is not a substitute for addressing the data or the logic of the comparison I am making.

Likewise, claiming I have TDS or an "obsession" is a fallacious ad hominem argument that utterly fails to address your missing argument.

 

[Derec]

Just because there are non-Somali individuals that engage in corruption does not disprove the point that rates of corruption among Somalis are very high.

 

[laughing dog]

Just because there are non-Somali individuals that engage in corruption does not disprove the point that rates of corruption among Somalis are very high.

I’m interested on how a rate of corruption is measured and what evidence do you base the observation that such a rate among Somalis is “very high”.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Just because there are non-Somali individuals that engage in corruption does not disprove the point that rates of corruption among Somalis are very high.

You are shifting the burden of proof. You made the initial claim regarding incompatibility and a lack of assimilation; therefore, the burden to substantiate that claim rests with you.

Your argument currently relies on an incomplete dataset. For example, if we are going to discuss "rates" of corruption, we must look at the full picture. Beyond the specific cases you've cited, there are ongoing, widespread allegations of corruption involving other political figures—such as the massive settlements impacting taxpayers across Minnesota—which, when adjusted proportionally by population, reveal significant financial impacts.

Furthermore, the vast majority of Somalis in Minnesota have no connection to fraud, yet you are using the actions of a few to characterize an entire group’s ability to assimilate. You are essentially demanding that I disprove a generalization that lacks the necessary statistical rigor to be proven in the first place. You have a lot of "missing math" to justify why this specific group is uniquely incompatible with the West while ignoring similar patterns of corruption elsewhere.