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For the Love of God

You're already aware how much you can miss out on, all the way to an awkward 80% Christian populated funeral. And everything before that. You're American right? Yeah most people you know are pretending to love God. That is very frustrating. It makes me want to grab people and shake the God out of them. Wow I'm sorry you have to deal with that all day. I know of only one solution, and trying to give it doesn't mean I don't understand. I understand what you mean. And nah.

I don't know how someone would "know" that someone else was pretending or not. The person him or her self would know.
I can't recall ever having felt awkward at a funeral and I've been to a number of religious and non-religious ones. The non-religious one felt like a celebration which I think is wonderful. Difficult not to feel at least a bit sad though regardless.

I'm sure people pretending they don't struggle with God can be happy but the struggle itself can be a huge depression. Then there is the void that can't possibly be filled without totally lying to yourself. The sinking darkness that comes when we become adults and start to age can't be avoided, and the only way to deal with it is through distraction. A potent distractor can take a lifetime to find and by then it is too late anyway. That can cause the blues. Then the reality that everyone else is in a trance, oh man what a bummer. There really is no choice and it doesn't matter anyway, if nobody else understands. To know just a handfull of people you think understand just makes the whole party miserable. Forever. Incompleteness, frustration, suffering that builds with each pointless day and an anticlimactic end - when Christians read a few good words about you and then forget you ever lived. An intense feeling of falling every other moment, when reality passes through you without taking you with it. There is no use to fight unless you like to suffer. Some start to believe that suffering is the only source for feeling. They may be right. Reality is based on convincing yourself that things that are not there, are there. There would be no reality at all, if we instinctually couldn't do this. FULLY enjoying reality requires presto same trick.

I don't know what this struggle is that you speak of. I don't have a problem saying "I don't know" when I'm in the position that I don't know. I spend a fair amount of time being intrigued by reality and the universe, captivated. Whether its religious or non-religious people talking about me wouldn't be an issue since I would be no longer. Again I don't know what this feeling of falling is. It sounds like you are projecting. Reality is a projection of some kind? Its very involved if it is, simultaneously beaming.

Yeah I agree, and that is kinda what I was talking about. We're all stuck, going nowhere. We're dying. When we die we'll be so self deluded and pathetic. It is just a matter of what we delude ourselves with, and how it rhymes with our culture and what we want to have. Not to sound like a downer or anything, but all in all there is no use fighting. We should cling to the strongest rock we are whipped by in these rapids. And then convince ourselves we're doing something meaningful until we are dead. So considering all that you can agree now I'm sure.

As soon as we are born it can be said that we are dying. Given a limited time it behoves us to find out as much as we wish to. This may take us in many different directions. Agree with what exactly? I should start believing what you believe? I'm trying to find something that I would wish to subscribe or gravitate to in your posts and I can't.
 
Has anyone here seen the film 'Trolls'? Quite entertaining.

from Wikipedia:
"The Trolls are small creatures who live in an almost perpetual state of happiness, singing, dancing and hugging all day. However, they are discovered by the Bergens, large miserable creatures, who can feel happy only after eating a Troll. The Bergens imprison the trolls and eat them every year on a special occasion, called Trollstice."

I feel that the Bergens represent organised religion. The rest of us are quite happy to go about our lives regardless.

another1 you are, whether you realise it or not, presenting an argument for us to not believe what you believe. There's a troubled clutter to your words, not at ease. What is it about happiness without some supernatural entity that you find so troubling or hard to believe? If you really do believe this it makes it sound as if you belong to some kind of cult.
 
You're already aware how much you can miss out on, all the way to an awkward 80% Christian populated funeral. And everything before that. You're American right? Yeah most people you know are pretending to love God. That is very frustrating. It makes me want to grab people and shake the God out of them. Wow I'm sorry you have to deal with that all day. I know of only one solution, and trying to give it doesn't mean I don't understand. I understand what you mean. And nah.

I'm sure people pretending they don't struggle with God can be happy but the struggle itself can be a huge depression. Then there is the void that can't possibly be filled without totally lying to yourself. The sinking darkness that comes when we become adults and start to age can't be avoided, and the only way to deal with it is through distraction. A potent distractor can take a lifetime to find and by then it is too late anyway. That can cause the blues. Then the reality that everyone else is in a trance, oh man what a bummer. There really is no choice and it doesn't matter anyway, if nobody else understands. To know just a handfull of people you think understand just makes the whole party miserable. Forever. Incompleteness, frustration, suffering that builds with each pointless day and an anticlimactic end - when Christians read a few good words about you and then forget you ever lived. An intense feeling of falling every other moment, when reality passes through you without taking you with it. There is no use to fight unless you like to suffer. Some start to believe that suffering is the only source for feeling. They may be right. Reality is based on convincing yourself that things that are not there, are there. There would be no reality at all, if we instinctually couldn't do this. FULLY enjoying reality requires presto same trick.

Yeah I agree, and that is kinda what I was talking about. We're all stuck, going nowhere. We're dying. When we die we'll be so self deluded and pathetic. It is just a matter of what we delude ourselves with, and how it rhymes with our culture and what we want to have. Not to sound like a downer or anything, but all in all there is no use fighting. We should cling to the strongest rock we are whipped by in these rapids. And then convince ourselves we're doing something meaningful until we are dead. So considering all that you can agree now I'm sure.
another1, you might try, as an experiment, to reread your post but put "I" wherever you had written "you" or "we" or "they". You might find the post is not so successful as world-description.

I felt nothing but liberation at losing my faith in God. Exceptions like that show your description of how "we" experience a godless world is not universal. The act of projecting your inward dark painting of the world outward onto the world is worse than incorrect. Because the projection makes it seem like a doom laid on you by the world, when it's a doom laid on you by you.

"Trance" is exactly my impression when I read posts about how dark the world is if it doesn't have another magical otherworld alongside it. The beliefs, the preferences, all those "I wants", makes it easier to be entranced by supernatural promises. The would-be believer says "I need <insert here any belief about what you 'need'>" so that not getting it makes all reality seem like something dreadful.

A child wants gifts and not getting them makes the world seem dark to him because he can't see outside the little circle of his wants. Now turn that into a lifestyle and a philosophy about what a disappointment the godless world is, and thus comes a manufactured need: 'I need God, the granter of wishes, in my life. That will make everything better.'

Adult life is a "sinking darkness", there's a god-shaped "void" inside us, we're mortal and it's hard to deal with so "we" must find a distraction... Umm, no, that's not everyone's experience of life. It's yours, it's a story, and you choose it.
 
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Again I don't know what this feeling of falling is. It sounds like you are projecting.

You may not experience it as a falling sensation. I don't project. I Interpret maybe.. but no projecting. It does seem to happen every time I describe reality but it isn't me doing it Jason. Sinking feeling maybe? I'm sure you feel it all the time, because you don't believe in God. The void may feel differently, too. Not a good feeling, however a person chooses to think they feel it.

Reality is a projection of some kind? Its very involved if it is, simultaneously beaming.

Of course it is. What else could it be? Thinking otherwise is more far-out than believing in all Gods simultaneously.

I'm trying to find something that I would wish to subscribe or gravitate to in your posts and I can't.

At least you know that you should be trying.

Exceptions like that show your description of how "we" experience a godless world is not universal

But they are... People aren't that special, Abaddon. Thinking that they are... now that is part of the problem. And I ofcourse mean me when I say we btw. You mistook the tone I was speaking in. That happens a lot. I forgive that. And like I said, I can make the call, and most people who read what I have said will agree, even if they aren't able to.

Because the projection makes it seem like a doom laid on you by the world, when it's a doom laid on you by you.

No Abaddon. You may not be aware of the world around you. I'm sorry it is like this, and I can understand why you would want to convince yourself that it is not, but I'm just being real. You're prone to seeing things only your way, apparently. Definitely some projection going on around here but maybe look again when pointing fingers. The doom around us is real, and it is unrelenting. We all have the right to deny reality though. I understand.

The would-be believer says "I need <insert here any belief about what you 'need'>" so that not getting it seems like something dreadful.

The immature unbeliever does something similar. It must ache deep inside the bones to be stuck in a world where God is inescapable. We need God. We want not to need God. But that want is meaningless and it creates dread. Is that what you meant to say?

A child wants gifts and not getting them makes the world seem dark to him because he can't see outside the little circle of his wants.

And again, you're speaking to yourself and people like you. Ironic. I hoped you could understand the irony in what I said before you responded. Your supposed understanding of me and what I need is more arrogant than my unequivocal understanding of everyone's broad needs and meager sufferings. It is not that hard to make the call, and anyone can do it. If you think it is impossible, that is because it apparently is to you. Not to be insulting or anything.

Adult life is a "sinking darkness", there's a god-shaped "void" inside us, we're mortal and it's hard to deal with so "we" must find a distraction... Umm, no, that's not everyone's experience of life. It's yours, it's a story, and you choose it.

No abaddon. You may be very special and I'm not discounting that possibility. But I am right. For most people, the feelings I described are real, and God is a perfect way to deal with them. That is not some story I chose. That has been reality since... since FIRE. That is why there has always been a God. That is why there will always be a God, no matter how special a few million shallow pieces of shit think they are.
 
... I am right. For most people, the feelings I described are real, and God is a perfect way to deal with them. That is not some story I chose. That has been reality since... since FIRE. That is why there has always been a God. That is why there will always be a God, no matter how special a few million shallow pieces of shit think they are.
People have feelings -> God is a way to deal with them -> that's reality and not a story -> So God exists in spite of pieces of shit.

This argument is lacking. As Jason was saying, your argument works against itself.
 
You may not experience it as a falling sensation. I don't project. I Interpret maybe.. but no projecting. It does seem to happen every time I describe reality but it isn't me doing it Jason. Sinking feeling maybe? I'm sure you feel it all the time, because you don't believe in God. The void may feel differently, too. Not a good feeling, however a person chooses to think they feel it.



Of course it is. What else could it be? Thinking otherwise is more far-out than believing in all Gods simultaneously.

I'm trying to find something that I would wish to subscribe or gravitate to in your posts and I can't.

At least you know that you should be trying.

Exceptions like that show your description of how "we" experience a godless world is not universal

But they are... People aren't that special, Abaddon. Thinking that they are... now that is part of the problem. And I ofcourse mean me when I say we btw. You mistook the tone I was speaking in. That happens a lot. I forgive that. And like I said, I can make the call, and most people who read what I have said will agree, even if they aren't able to.

Because the projection makes it seem like a doom laid on you by the world, when it's a doom laid on you by you.

No Abaddon. You may not be aware of the world around you. I'm sorry it is like this, and I can understand why you would want to convince yourself that it is not, but I'm just being real. You're prone to seeing things only your way, apparently. Definitely some projection going on around here but maybe look again when pointing fingers. The doom around us is real, and it is unrelenting. We all have the right to deny reality though. I understand.

The would-be believer says "I need <insert here any belief about what you 'need'>" so that not getting it seems like something dreadful.

The immature unbeliever does something similar. It must ache deep inside the bones to be stuck in a world where God is inescapable. We need God. We want not to need God. But that want is meaningless and it creates dread. Is that what you meant to say?

A child wants gifts and not getting them makes the world seem dark to him because he can't see outside the little circle of his wants.

And again, you're speaking to yourself and people like you. Ironic. I hoped you could understand the irony in what I said before you responded. Your supposed understanding of me and what I need is more arrogant than my unequivocal understanding of everyone's broad needs and meager sufferings. It is not that hard to make the call, and anyone can do it. If you think it is impossible, that is because it apparently is to you. Not to be insulting or anything.

Adult life is a "sinking darkness", there's a god-shaped "void" inside us, we're mortal and it's hard to deal with so "we" must find a distraction... Umm, no, that's not everyone's experience of life. It's yours, it's a story, and you choose it.

No abaddon. You may be very special and I'm not discounting that possibility. But I am right. For most people, the feelings I described are real, and God is a perfect way to deal with them. That is not some story I chose. That has been reality since... since FIRE. That is why there has always been a God. That is why there will always be a God, no matter how special a few million shallow pieces of shit think they are.

This is a good example of the weight placed on people by religion and the damage that people seem to willingly allow it to do to them and the burden that they feel they must carry for the "good" of mankind. Everyone can see the venom coming out here another1. I think you regard it as kindness and helpfulness but your ramblings are sympomatic of a mind not at ease with the words falling out. We aren't the ones going on about darkness and voids. That's coming from you. Its not coming from us. The fact that people keep trying to spread the word is like a knee-jerk reaction, a kind of inner guilt expressing itself. The mere fact that you have said "I am right" - given the context it just sounds wrong and worrying. You can repeat your mantra until the cows have come home, rested, expired, been recycled....need I go on? I don't think you are in a good place, based on "a few million shallow pieces of shit they think they are" alone. You stand as an example of a way of thinking to be avoided at all costs. If I have an open wound I don't pour acid into it.

If there is a god, another1, and if it is the god that you believe in, I wouldn't want to be anywhere near it. If your ramblings are a reflection of its "truth" then its a dark place indeed. A void if you will.

ETA: the "few million shallow pieces of shit" - on the basis that the god you believe in exists - were apparently created by your god. Do you know how parents react when someone tells their child that they amount to nothing? Yeah....anyway I expect you're looking forward to the cosy fireside chats to come.

Has anyone seen Trolls 2, the sequel to Trolls?
 
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Whenever i hear of people saying that the love God, I think how is that possible? We have no idea if he or she or it even exists! No one has a clue what he, she, or it even looks like, no idea where He lives, what he wants - we have zero information. So how is that possible to love something that we have no information about - ah, it is the idea of God that they love and what is that idea?

Assume you are a nerdy-looking guy, don't have a great job, have a few friends but there are others who don't care for you, will cross the street just to avoid saying hi, women who take one look at you and turn you down for dates, the parties that you don't get invited to. And then suddenly a life change - you win the big lottery, now rich beyond your dreams. Suddenly you find new friends, suddenly you are the most loved guy - those guys who used to cross the street to avoid you? Well they are doing the opposite now, crossing the street just to say hi. Your dating life has improved by leaps and bounds, you are invited to all sorts of parties and get togethers!

Unless you are a total dummy you know that all this "love", your new found popularity is not for you as a person but for your wallet. This "love" for God is all about what God can do for them - the eternal easy life in Heaven - enjoy the easy good life that awaits them and so the tail-wagging begins. Pathetic!

But, if a person gives you 10 thousand bucks, will you hate him? Will you speak trash about him? or, you will thank him and say good things about the giver.

Even more, the giver promises you better things but will be conditioned to his will. You check the pros and cons and decide to follow what the giver says. I see nothing wrong with that.

In the case of the biblical god, as an example, this god says that if a person loves him, then he must obey his commandments.

Here you go. The condition as part of the promise. Why you think this god called this condition of obeying his laws as "love for him"?
 
Come on man. That there are evangelists and believers is no indication it being true. Even you must realize that?

Its true for those who are believers and its not true for non-believers. Both will at least mutually concur on the belief of the comic super heroes.
 
Come on man. That there are evangelists and believers is no indication it being true. Even you must realize that?

Besides, in my day, every smoke shop, news stand, or pharmacy that could stack DC or Marvel comics on their racks was an evangelist for Superman, Batman, Spiderman and more!

Everyone buying those comics wanted to be one of those super heroes (myself included) however I don't know of anyone - Christians or other type - has ever wanted to be Jesus. Perhaps too far a reach even for the imagination.
 
Come on man. That there are evangelists and believers is no indication it being true. Even you must realize that?

Its true for those who are believers and its not true for non-believers. Both will at least mutually concur on the belief of the comic super heroes.
? This make no sense whatsoever...
 
Come on man. That there are evangelists and believers is no indication it being true. Even you must realize that?

Besides, in my day, every smoke shop, news stand, or pharmacy that could stack DC or Marvel comics on their racks was an evangelist for Superman, Batman, Spiderman and more!

Everyone buying those comics wanted to be one of those super heroes (myself included) however I don't know of anyone - Christians or other type - has ever wanted to be Jesus. Perhaps too far a reach even for the imagination.

Your superheroes suck... they can't perform miracles...
 
Everyone buying those comics wanted to be one of those super heroes (myself included) however I don't know of anyone - Christians or other type - has ever wanted to be Jesus. Perhaps too far a reach even for the imagination.

Your superheroes suck... they can't perform miracles...

I was a little kid at the time but yes to the above.
 
Your superheroes suck... they can't perform miracles...
They DAILY perform feats that are counter to our understand of how science works.

Flight, telepathy, call lightning, throw oblivion, talk to animals, heal at a touch, animate the dead, FTL travel, time travel, create matter from nothing, create nothing from matter...
With very few exceptions, they're all performing miracles.
 
People have feelings -> God is a way to deal with them -> that's reality and not a story -> So God exists in spite of pieces of shit.

Abaddon. People have God. Obligatorily they have God. They can pretend they don't, but yeah. Feelings are a way to experience God. That is reality.

If your ramblings are a reflection of its "truth" then its a dark place indeed.

A general rule I go by is the more acidic they seem, the happer they actually are in what remains of real life. People slowly dying in a Godless hell always try their best to seem like they have it all together. They don't. And then they die and burn in hell. Because they didn't accept God, Jason. Even if God is unreal, the lingering thoughts in death are. The last thoughts probably have eternal consequences. Some things about the situation may be wrong and right at the same time. I'm sorry you're going to hell dude. Sucks. ):
the "few million shallow pieces of shit" - on the basis that the god you believe in exists - were apparently created by your god.

Doesn't mean you have to be one of them. Evidently God gives you a chance. Because God is fair. Considering the state of the world (and the universe for that matter) God can tolerate a lot. And God is strange. Amazing. You seem to think that God needs you to believe, to be real. Like you're so special and important.

Glad you understand now. There are several prayers you can look up online. Those will bring the spirit in and start the chemical proceses inside your brain. Then let people know because that is the beiggest part in reaping all the rewards you can. All good luck from there.
 
Abaddon. People have God. Obligatorily they have God. They can pretend they don't, but yeah. Feelings are a way to experience God. That is reality.



A general rule I go by is the more acidic they seem, the happer they actually are in what remains of real life. People slowly dying in a Godless hell always try their best to seem like they have it all together. They don't. And then they die and burn in hell. Because they didn't accept God, Jason. Even if God is unreal, the lingering thoughts in death are. The last thoughts probably have eternal consequences. Some things about the situation may be wrong and right at the same time. I'm sorry you're going to hell dude. Sucks. ):
the "few million shallow pieces of shit" - on the basis that the god you believe in exists - were apparently created by your god.

Doesn't mean you have to be one of them. Evidently God gives you a chance. Because God is fair. Considering the state of the world (and the universe for that matter) God can tolerate a lot. And God is strange. Amazing. You seem to think that God needs you to believe, to be real. Like you're so special and important.

Glad you understand now. There are several prayers you can look up online. Those will bring the spirit in and start the chemical proceses inside your brain. Then let people know because that is the beiggest part in reaping all the rewards you can. All good luck from there.

What I understand is not the same as what you think you are talking about. What is this, some infantile attempt at word play to somehow trick me into saying that I believe in some ridiculous notion that you have? It ain't going to work.

I think its odd that as your attempts thus far have completely failed to convince me that what you are proposing is worth looking at that rather than bring other avenues and techniques into play you just keep replaying the same tired garbage - that people have been doing for centuries - over and over again. Its been said before, its been said more unpleasantly, its gone beyond tedious. Serious consideration should be given to classifying some of these beliefs as a form of mental illness. If I was to drive my car to work (I don't work at a church) and on the way have an accident I would be going with "I had an accident, I'm OK, this is why I am late" and not "I was considering that several million people on this earth are pieces of shit, they say they are happy but they aren't, I'm the one that's happy. They're all whores" I would expect to be having some quite interesting meetings with my manager and with HR. Not to mention a specialist at some kind of clinic.

I think your god does need you to believe in it. You clearly do believe in whatever that thing is that its got going on. If your god exists and is all-powerful (including the ability and rationale to bring the universe into existence) it could have made the decision to not bring the universe into existence. Yet based on your beliefs it did - you may wish to ask yourself why.

Your technique of attempting to make others feel bad because they don't believe in the damaged nonsense that you spew doesn't work. It won't drive anyone towards anything you put forward. Your posts are just a bit unpleasant; you may wish to return to them in say 5 or 10 years time and see how you feel and how you reflect on what you have said in them. If you still feel the same way - if you are somehow, mysteriously and bizarrely proud of what you have "achieved" here - then it would be a sad day indeed.
 
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Abaddon. People have God. Obligatorily they have God. They can pretend they don't, but yeah. Feelings are a way to experience God. That is reality.



A general rule I go by is the more acidic they seem, the happer they actually are in what remains of real life. People slowly dying in a Godless hell always try their best to seem like they have it all together. They don't. And then they die and burn in hell. Because they didn't accept God, Jason. Even if God is unreal, the lingering thoughts in death are. The last thoughts probably have eternal consequences. Some things about the situation may be wrong and right at the same time. I'm sorry you're going to hell dude. Sucks. ):
the "few million shallow pieces of shit" - on the basis that the god you believe in exists - were apparently created by your god.

Doesn't mean you have to be one of them. Evidently God gives you a chance. Because God is fair. Considering the state of the world (and the universe for that matter) God can tolerate a lot. And God is strange. Amazing. You seem to think that God needs you to believe, to be real. Like you're so special and important.

Glad you understand now. There are several prayers you can look up online. Those will bring the spirit in and start the chemical proceses inside your brain. Then let people know because that is the beiggest part in reaping all the rewards you can. All good luck from there.

What I understand is not the same as what you think you are talking about. What is this, some infantile attempt at word play to somehow trick me into saying that I believe in some ridiculous notion that you have? It ain't going to work.

I think its odd that as your attempts thus far have completely failed to convince me that what you are proposing is worth looking at that rather than bring other avenues and techniques into play you just keep replaying the same tired garbage - that people have been doing for centuries - over and over again. Its been said before, its been said more unpleasantly, its gone beyond tedious. Serious consideration should be given to classifying some of these beliefs as a form of mental illness. If I was to drive my car to work (I don't work at a church) and on the way have an accident I would be going with "I had an accident, I'm OK, this is why I am late" and not "I was considering that several million people on this earth are pieces of shit, they say they are happy but they aren't, I'm the one that's happy. They're all whores" I would expect to be having some quite interesting meetings with my manager and with HR. Not to mention a specialist at some kind of clinic.

I think your god does need you to believe in it. You clearly do believe in whatever that thing is that its got going on. If your god exists and is all-powerful (including the ability and rationale to bring the universe into existence) it could have made the decision to not bring the universe into existence. Yet based on your beliefs it did - you may wish to ask yourself why.

Your technique of attempting to make others feel bad because they don't believe in the damaged nonsense that you spew doesn't work. It won't drive anyone towards anything you put forward. Your posts are just a bit unpleasant; you may wish to return to them in say 5 or 10 years time and see how you feel and how you reflect on what you have said in them. If you still feel the same way - if you are somehow, mysteriously and bizarrely proud of what you have "achieved" here - then it would be a sad day indeed.

What makes you think that possibility that God shouldn't create the universe?

I myself, when someone asked me in the past, why you have swimming that far from the shore when is dangerous? I responded: because I can.

If God exists and created the universe is because He can.

Obviously you can't, but He can.

About other points in your message, without knowing it you have touched strong issues which can reveal the unknown side of God. Luckily you love to live in ignorance, so this kind of knowledge will never be for you... ho ho ho ho.. niaka niaka niaka...
 
What I understand is not the same as what you think you are talking about. What is this, some infantile attempt at word play to somehow trick me into saying that I believe in some ridiculous notion that you have? It ain't going to work.

I think its odd that as your attempts thus far have completely failed to convince me that what you are proposing is worth looking at that rather than bring other avenues and techniques into play you just keep replaying the same tired garbage - that people have been doing for centuries - over and over again. Its been said before, its been said more unpleasantly, its gone beyond tedious. Serious consideration should be given to classifying some of these beliefs as a form of mental illness. If I was to drive my car to work (I don't work at a church) and on the way have an accident I would be going with "I had an accident, I'm OK, this is why I am late" and not "I was considering that several million people on this earth are pieces of shit, they say they are happy but they aren't, I'm the one that's happy. They're all whores" I would expect to be having some quite interesting meetings with my manager and with HR. Not to mention a specialist at some kind of clinic.

I think your god does need you to believe in it. You clearly do believe in whatever that thing is that its got going on. If your god exists and is all-powerful (including the ability and rationale to bring the universe into existence) it could have made the decision to not bring the universe into existence. Yet based on your beliefs it did - you may wish to ask yourself why.

Your technique of attempting to make others feel bad because they don't believe in the damaged nonsense that you spew doesn't work. It won't drive anyone towards anything you put forward. Your posts are just a bit unpleasant; you may wish to return to them in say 5 or 10 years time and see how you feel and how you reflect on what you have said in them. If you still feel the same way - if you are somehow, mysteriously and bizarrely proud of what you have "achieved" here - then it would be a sad day indeed.

What makes you think that possibility that God shouldn't create the universe?

I myself, when someone asked me in the past, why you have swimming that far from the shore when is dangerous? I responded: because I can.

If God exists and created the universe is because He can.

Obviously you can't, but He can.

About other points in your message, without knowing it you have touched strong issues which can reveal the unknown side of God. Luckily you love to live in ignorance, so this kind of knowledge will never be for you... ho ho ho ho.. niaka niaka niaka...

Which god?
Although it doesn't make any difference. I don't know is the most I can say to the possibility that any of them somehow existed and brought the universe into being. The something that people call god believe is responsible - say for sake of argument that it created the universe - so what? I fail to see why it would change anything. Or perhaps it would be less enjoyable for you since it would no longer be a mystery. I know you keep saying that your god created the universe (and why it would be a "He" is another mystery) but I'm not sure that you would be delighted if the need to keep saying it dried up.
Anyone is free to read anything they wish into anything that anyone has written. The person who has written it knows what they mean by what they say. I guess this is the problem with interpreting things that the deceased wrote about things they may or may not have actually experienced. In a kind of a similar vein I guess we have the issue that noone was present at the point that the/this universe was brought into geing.
Your "evidence" appears to consist of pointing out things that humans are unable to do - which obviously we know that humans are unable to do - and then postulating that "Goddidit"
Reveal the unknown side of god? Isn't this a bit like saying "I have no words to describe how I feel"? Is it that its a known unknown or an unknown unknown? Are there lists? How would one go about ruminating on the essence of this deity?
 
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