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For Christians:If god exists why must you prove it?

xtianity is founded on reverence for an act of unbelievable evil savagery, and part of the mind-rot is spreading the contagion to others. They don't actually need or want to prove it....just to force others to subscribe or die.
 
Subscribe or die??? Where I live, it's more like subscribe or be bored. By die, are you referring to their lovely hell doctrine? Do remember, if you don't believe in a religion, with its invisible characters and its do's and dont's, then you can truly say that none of it applies to you. Neither its rewards or its penalties. And also -- who gives a shit. Harp music blows.
 
The fear of God (and hell) has its functions on different levels. God is clever.

A phsycological effect to tell the TRUTH etc..(for lack of better discription)! Pedo's and profiteers in the congregation so to speak ,should be logically obvious that they don't fear hell, simply because they just don't believe in it.
 
If you believe god exists and have faith in an afterlife, why must you prove it and why get hostile to those who reject it?

The existence of those who do not share the faith puts the faith to question. Other beliefs or points of view imply other possibilities, that one's article of faith may not be true, posing a threat to the faith.

Bingo! Tribalism is threatened by dissent.
 
I do not get hostile to those who reject. I am sorry they reject. Hostile, no.

And I suspect you're probably in the Majority. Unfortunately, a largely silent majority...

I believe the evidence shows otherwise.
If Christians were majority not-hostile, we would not have restrictions on birth control and atheists would not be the most untrusted group by Xhristians.
Well, restrictions on birth control are not a move against atheism, but an inability to read their Books.
And I hear what you are saying, but I still think most believers are not hostile towards non-believers just because of the non-belief, but rather because of political agenda they have been told that all atheistic liberal communist gay gun-controlling people pursue.
 
If you are an non-christian why do you keep asking for proof?.
But really, though, wouldn't YOU?

Someone says that unicorns live in their shoes, wouldn't you ask to see?

The unicorn people gather together and start to dictate how footwear needs to be made, to accommodate Glittersprinkle's and Vanillasweat's needs, wouldn't you kind of feel it important to see just one of these unicorns, if it's going to affect how your Birkenstocks look in the future?

Or at the very least, would you be terribly surprised if OTHER consumers of foot coverings were hesitant to embrace the unicorn ramp legislation, at least until they had seen a unicorn, or a reason to think unicorns were real?
 
The fear of God (and hell) has its functions on different levels. God is clever.

A phsycological effect to tell the TRUTH etc..(for lack of better discription)! Pedo's and profiteers in the congregation so to speak ,should be logically obvious that they don't fear hell, simply because they just don't believe in it.

These sorts of people may very well believe that but have given up. They think of themselves as riddled with original sin not of God's elect and have given up. So might as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb. And hope that God is a forgiving merciful God who will relent at the last moment if they admit their sins and throw themselves on God's mercy.
 
The fear of God (and hell) has its functions on different levels. God is clever.

A phsycological effect to tell the TRUTH etc..(for lack of better discription)! Pedo's and profiteers in the congregation so to speak ,should be logically obvious that they don't fear hell, simply because they just don't believe in it.
Maybe they believe in it and fear it and do what they do anyway.

Control isn't the solution. It's a vile kind of psychology that relies on fear to force goodness. Talk about hostile... that's some despicably ugly "cleverness" on God's part (ie, on Christianity's part).

'Believe in hell -> good behavior'. This over-simple formula takes no account of the complexity of rationalizations in people's minds.

Some addicts (for an example of rationalization) believe "I'm killing myself with this stuff, I really should stop", and do what they know is "damning" them anyway. Many think "I'll get on top of it and save myself from doom... later".

Knowing it's bad AND there's a terrible consequence is often more hurtful than helpful. Self-hating people are drawn to what will destroy them and don't feel connected enough to know, or care, that it hurts others too.

"I can't because if I do I'll be punished". Wouldn't promoting both ethical and psychological maturity (self-responsibility and empathic bonds) be a better function of religion... IF it's capable of it?
 
The premise of the RCC is that there is an all powerful entity out there that can zap you with lightning, and the pope speaks for it on Earth.

Obey the pope or else.
 
These sorts of people may very well believe that but have given up. They think of themselves as riddled with original sin not of God's elect and have given up. So might as well be hanged for a sheep as a lamb. And hope that God is a forgiving merciful God who will relent at the last moment if they admit their sins and throw themselves on God's mercy.

What did you/anyone get from their defence / explanation (if at all you got those details to explain ,regarding those sort of people) ? In terms of all-types of individuals who believe , there'd be variables on a case by case basis . Some may just be as you described who would think this way, perhaps.
 
Now you're changing the topic. Your Op was very specific about some supposed obligation Christians have
No. You’re having a language problem. The sentence “why must you” means “why are you incessant about this?”

No. I'm sure means what it says. But I f you think stevebnks misspeaks himself then tell him he is the one with the language problem.


Name some self-professed Christian here at TTF who you believe interpret their Christian calling this way.

You.

I explicitly stated that is NOT what I think Christianity (scripture) implies.
You're blatantly gainsaying.
If atheists don't want to discuss theism - and endure all the supposed hostility - just stop discussing.
 
Other than nothing else to do why must I obsessively engae Christians who believe in spirits and devils?

Why, why, why?? It is like I am in a trance being controlled by a higher power, I go to the site and without thinking I engage theists. I an consumed with bringing Christians into the light, one atheist at a time my motto. One day the world will be free of theists.

Yes, sarcasm and parody. Christians feel they are mandated by the gospels to go out and convert people...why 'must' they do that? Why must they get in my face unbidden? Why must strangers approach me with a bible in hand?

I can't take any more, I am surrounded by Christians, they are everywhere and can be upon you quoting sripturte at any moment in any place. Be on your guard at all times.
 
No. I'm sure means what it says. But I f you think stevebnks misspeaks himself then tell him he is the one with the language problem.
Let’s call it a “language difference” and you can read his words above showing that he meant pretty much what I said.

No problem, mind you, I was just letting you know that he was using an americanism and you didn’t know it. So I was letting you know.

Or, you can narcissistically caim that he was misspeaking his own language in his own country just because it’s not what you would have said.
Name some self-professed Christian here at TTF who you believe interpret their Christian calling this way.

You.

I explicitly stated that is NOT what I think Christianity (scripture) implies.
You're blatantly gainsaying.
If atheists don't want to discuss theism - and endure all the supposed hostility - just stop discussing.

LOLz, if that’s all it took, we’d do it.
Until we go to a courtroom and see “In God We Trust,” or take a piece of money out of our pocket.
Until we go to a ball game or a high school graduation and have to hear a stupid prayer shoved in our faces at an event we’re paying to attend that has nothing to do with Gawd.
Until we take our kids to the gym and have the caregiver physically recoil and ask out loud if they are ~gasp~ atheists because they look at the coloring page of Moses and ask, “who’s the guy at the bonfire?”
Until one of their school friends ask what church they attend and they don’t get invited over any more.
Until a poll is taken of Americans and the Atheist is trusted less. Less than any other Christians-hate-them group like Muslims, gays, Catholics.
Until you take public office and are forced to announce your atheism - or publicly lie to avoid censure.

You’re just another selfish Christian who has no idea the harm his little band of cultists wreak, and denies they ever do anything bad, and lie that it’s just so bloody easy to not be smeared with Christian stench every fucking day.

“Why do you obsess over us?”
Jesus H. Titty Fucking Christ, are you SERIOUS?

Edited to add: Ten buck says you’ll read all that and pretend none of it is true and go on thinking the problem lies with us and all Christians are just minding their own demented business and what are we even complaining about. And that you will never in your life observe it and speak up to stop it.
 
Look at the word count in post #34
Decide for yourselves who is putting the most energy into the argumentum ad nauseam claimed by the Op.
 
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I explicitly stated that is NOT what I think Christianity (scripture) implies.
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And Trump explicitly stated that there was no meeting... Until he claimed that the meeting was just something 'everybody' did.

How Rhea interprets one's posting habits, need not exactly reflect one's stated opinions. They may not even overlap...

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Ten buck says you’ll read all that and pretend none of it is true and go on thinking the problem lies with us
No bet. It's his go-to solution for any criticism of the Faith or the Faithful. It's their problem, their obsession.
 
“Just stop discussing,” he dismissively says, while his cult wants to force-feed it to our children every fucking day. “Who’s putting in the most effort,” he ignorantly asks, while his fellow cultists are passing legislation to punish schools who don’t follow his forced religious propaganda.

https://www.kentucky.com/news/local/education/article217072465.html
Kentucky public elementary and secondary schools would be required to display the national motto “In God We Trust” in a prominent location under a bill that state Rep. Brandon Reed has pre-filed for the 2019 General Assembly.
 
Look at the word count in post #34
Decide for yourselves who is putting the most energy into the argumentum ad nauseam claimed by the Op.


How many words have been written and spoken by Christians over the last 20 years repeating the same tired cliches?

Jesus loves me. Jesus is god. God loves me.gays are evil, Jesus loves me... Jesus Jesus Jesus save me. It is a cult. A cult that is driven by a need to prove itself and draw others into the beliefs.

The thing is right now if Christianity disappeared we would not miss it. I expect most of us ngae theists as a matter of understanding the cult that makes us a convenient foil and focal point.

Where would you be without an atheist to confront in an epic battle in god's name? You are on a fantasy adventure. It powers your life. We do not need that.
 
Indeed. A defensive measure of understanding the cult that seeks to continue to oppress us.
 
steve_bank
I answered your Op. Why are YOU persisting?

I never saw any scripture telling me to prove God exists. In fact there's a fair bit telling me NOT to put God to the proof.

As for hostility towards those who reject God, nope. Christians who aren't welcomed are invoked to turn and leave and shake the dust off their sandals.

And you haven't supported your claim by citing any named examples - TTF Christians who fit your profile.

Lion IRC said:
Now you're changing the topic. Your Op was very specific about some supposed obligation Christians have to prove God exists and allegedly getting hostile at those who aren't persuaded.
Name some self-professed Christian here at TTF who you believe interpret their Christian calling this way.

Now you're morphing the thread into a justification of why atheists feel the need to engage in AvT hostility.
 
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