Funny, isn’t it. What do you suppose is the difference?
But do they dance, tho?
It’s hard to do that wearing shit-kickers. But when the logs roll off the bonfire, people do some dancin’.
Funny, isn’t it. What do you suppose is the difference?
But do they dance, tho?
The argument would have to be made in terms of liberal vs conservative. Democrats used to burn fiery crosses and be members of the KKK and have other vile associations that are now almost exclusively the domain of racist republicans. The old Dixiecrats are a good example, people who left the democratic party when it embraced civil rights.
If by liberal vs conservative you mean those who promote promiscuity vs those who promote families, you may have a point.
I really can't relate to that comment. You seem obsessed with controlling other people's sex organs. My experience with that is to have observed that conservative moralists preaching against promiscuity have been the biggest offenders.
I really can't relate to that comment. You seem obsessed with controlling other people's sex organs. My experience with that is to have observed that conservative moralists preaching against promiscuity have been the biggest offenders.
Having once lived in the area and working in Detroit, it is rather apparent that promoting abortion, welfare, and single family mothers has a very detrimental affect on boys and young men. Fathers matter. A lot. It's one thing the conservatives get correct.
I really can't relate to that comment. You seem obsessed with controlling other people's sex organs. My experience with that is to have observed that conservative moralists preaching against promiscuity have been the biggest offenders.
Having once lived in the area and working in Detroit, it is rather apparent that promoting abortion, welfare, and single family mothers has a very detrimental affect on boys and young men. Fathers matter. A lot. It's one thing the conservatives get correct.
I really can't relate to that comment. You seem obsessed with controlling other people's sex organs. My experience with that is to have observed that conservative moralists preaching against promiscuity have been the biggest offenders.
Having once lived in the area and working in Detroit, it is rather apparent that promoting abortion, welfare, and single family mothers has a very detrimental affect on boys and young men. Fathers matter. A lot. It's one thing the conservatives get correct.
...... when they couldn't find sufficient work to support them.
There's a very pervasive myth about black fathers: that they're more often than not absent from their children's lives. But if you look at the data, it turns out the truth is far more complicated than the ugly stereotype suggests.
New York Times columnist Charles Blow previously took on this myth. Blow started with the basis for much of the idea: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data that showed 71.5 percent of black, non-Hispanic children in 2013 were born to unmarried women, compared with 29.3 percent of white, non-Hispanic children.
But as Josh Levs pointed out in his new book All In, 2.5 million of 4.2 million black fathers — or about 59.5 percent — live with their children. Levs's numbers suggest that it's not true, as the CDC figures suggests, that 71.5 percent of black dads are absent from their homes — but rather that many of them are simply unmarried.
And when black fathers do live with their children, they're just as, if not more, likely to be involved in their kids' everyday lives. Blow cited CDC data that showed black fathers are more likely than their white and Hispanic counterparts to feed, eat with, bathe, diaper, dress, play with, and read to their children on a daily basis. While some of the differences in the data aren't statistically significant, the figures indicate that black dads are at least as likely to remain involved in their children's lives as those of other races.
Still, the same CDC data shows black men are nearly three times as likely as white men to have at least one child they don't live with — but Blow pointed to policy-driven issues that may be driving the disparity. For example, a previous report by Justin Wolfers, David Leonhardt, and Kevin Quealy for the New York Times found there are 100 black women not in jail or prison for every 83 non-incarcerated black men. So mass incarceration has actually drained 1.5 million black men — many of whom are young and of marrying age — from their communities, making it more difficult for black women to find committed partners of the same race.
All of the data paints a more nuanced view of black fatherhood than the stereotypes suggest. It's not an issue of laziness, inability to commit to family, or another inherent flaw in black culture, as some people may suggest. There are real systemic issues at play — and most black fathers do seem to be trying make the future bright for their kids.
They are missing, largely because of early deaths or because they are behind bars. Remarkably, black women who are 25 to 54 and not in jail outnumber black men in that category by 1.5 million, according to an Upshot analysis. For every 100 black women in this age group living outside of jail, there are only 83 black men. Among whites, the equivalent number is 99, nearly parity.
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Incarceration and early deaths are the overwhelming drivers of the gap. Of the 1.5 million missing black men from 25 to 54 — which demographers call the prime-age years — higher imprisonment rates account for almost 600,000. Almost 1 in 12 black men in this age group are behind bars, compared with 1 in 60 nonblack men in the age group, 1 in 200 black women and 1 in 500 nonblack women.
Higher mortality is the other main cause. About 900,000 fewer prime-age black men than women live in the United States, according to the census. It’s impossible to know precisely how much of the difference is the result of mortality, but it appears to account for a big part. Homicide, the leading cause of death for young African-American men, plays a large role, and they also die from heart disease, respiratory disease and accidents more often than other demographic groups, including black women.
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The gender gap does not exist in childhood: There are roughly as many African-American boys as girls. But an imbalance begins to appear among teenagers, continues to widen through the 20s and peaks in the 30s. It persists through adulthood.
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The disappearance of these men has far-reaching implications. Their absence disrupts family formation, leading both to lower marriage rates and higher rates of childbirth outside marriage, as research by Kerwin Charles, an economist at the University of Chicago, with Ming-Ching Luoh, has shown.
The black women left behind find that potential partners of the same race are scarce, while men, who face an abundant supply of potential mates, don’t need to compete as hard to find one. As a result, Mr. Charles said, “men seem less likely to commit to romantic relationships, or to work hard to maintain them.”
The imbalance has also forced women to rely on themselves — often alone — to support a household. In those states hit hardest by the high incarceration rates, African-American women have become more likely to work and more likely to pursue their education further than they are elsewhere.
The missing-men phenomenon began growing in the middle decades of the 20th century, and each government census over the past 50 years has recorded at least 120 prime-age black women outside of jail for every 100 black men. But the nature of the gap has changed in recent years.
Since the 1990s, death rates for young black men have dropped more than rates for other groups, notes Robert N. Anderson, the chief of mortality statistics at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Both homicides and H.I.V.-related deaths, which disproportionately afflict black men, have dropped. Yet the prison population has soared since 1980. In many communities, rising numbers of black men spared an early death have been offset by rising numbers behind bars.
It does appear as if the number of missing black men is on the cusp of declining, albeit slowly. Death rates are continuing to fall, while the number of people in prisons — although still vastly higher than in other countries — has also fallen slightly over the last five years.
Between 1980 and 2015, the number of people incarcerated in America increased from roughly 500,000 to over 2.2 million.
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In 2014, African Americans constituted 2.3 million, or 34%, of the total 6.8 million correctional population. African Americans are incarcerated at more than 5 times the rate of whites.
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If African Americans and Hispanics were incarcerated at the same rates as whites, prison and jail populations would decline by almost 40%.
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In the 2015 National Survey on Drug Use and Health, about 17 million whites and 4 million African Americans reported having used an illicit drug within the last month. African Americans and whites use drugs at similar rates, but the imprisonment rate of African Americans for drug charges is almost 6 times that of whites. African Americans represent 12.5% of illicit drug users, but 29% of those arrested for drug offenses and 33% of those incarcerated in state facilities for drug offenses.
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A criminal record can reduce the likelihood of a callback or job offer by nearly 50 percent. The negative impact of a criminal record is twice as large for African American applicants.
THis is the weirdest thread - best I can tell it’s some spurious complaint meant to put down black people. And it plays on this “city/urban” trope about how disruptive this party is, blah blah blah. And tries to make excuses that in appalachia, it’s all fine because we don’t live as close to each other. And so therefore we obviously have jobs. Or something.
In my neighborhood people interrupt your sleep from time to time, too. With gunfire, with chain saws, with quads racing up and down the street. With cars doing donuts in the sandy intersections. And people block the street all the time by stopping their pick-up trucks in the middle of the road to chat for half an hour. Bonfires with loud music and drinking and back yard gun sales.
But what you don’t see is white guys taking videos of it to demean the white people involved and getting them posted on the internet by other white guys trying to demean the white people involved.
Funny, isn’t it. What do you suppose is the difference?
I agree.One of the worst things that have happened in our society is to make receiving welfare conditional on there being no father in the household. That drove a lot of men away from their families when they couldn't find sufficient work to support them.
Debunking the most pervasive myth about black fatherhood:
From the referenced NYT article:
What's the driving, primary reason for the increase in young black male incarceration rates since the eighties? Well, gee, I wonder what it could be:
Between 1980 and 2015, the number of people incarcerated in America increased from roughly 500,000 to over 2.2 million.
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In 2014, African Americans constituted 2.3 million, or 34%, of the total 6.8 million correctional population. African Americans are incarcerated at more than 5 times the rate of whites.
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If African Americans and Hispanics were incarcerated at the same rates as whites, prison and jail populations would decline by almost 40%.
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In the 2015 National Survey on Drug Use and Health, about 17 million whites and 4 million African Americans reported having used an illicit drug within the last month. African Americans and whites use drugs at similar rates, but the imprisonment rate of African Americans for drug charges is almost 6 times that of whites. African Americans represent 12.5% of illicit drug users, but 29% of those arrested for drug offenses and 33% of those incarcerated in state facilities for drug offenses.
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A criminal record can reduce the likelihood of a callback or job offer by nearly 50 percent. The negative impact of a criminal record is twice as large for African American applicants.
Amazing how those numbers coincide almost to the exact percentage.
So, in sum, it's a myth about deadbeat black dads. The real problem is the fact that the overwhelming majority of the "missing" young fathers have either died prematurely or been incarcerated and then the primary reason for being incarcerated disproportionately is for using drugs at the same rates as whites, only when a white kid smokes a joint, nothing much happens to him, whereas if a black kid smokes the same joint, prison six times more often than a white kid doing the exact same thing.
Like Loren says, get rid of the drug war. Its obviously been bad for the blacks. Its even been bad for the rich people who have had property confiscated without due process. I can't think of anyone other than the prison system it has been good for.
The only comment I would have about the OP. For some reason, this reminds me of my daily commute. And there exists cultures where it seems to be perfectly ok to walk down the middle of the street at 2 am. I work at a steel mill located in a very poor neighborhood but live in a very upscale neighborhood. And during my daily commutes, it is actually easier to miss stray deer in the street (in my neighborhood) than it is to miss jay walkers crossing the streets (by the steel mill). They are usually black people dressed in black, seeming not care one bit whether they might get hit by a car. I've had some close calls scaring the crap out of me. And close calls with hitting deer too but at least the deer seem to care about not wanting to be run down. The jay walkers seem to act like it is their road and the cars are not supposed to be there.
When dysfunction in the inner city is discussed, the inhabitants of the inner city and Democrats are always blamed . However when dysfunction in Appalachia is discussed (which is almost never), the inhabitants are not blamed nor is any political party. Perhaps even you can spot the difference here.Indeed. If you go to Appalachia you will find dysfunction there too. Except it is politically correct to talk about that but politically incorrect to talk about dysfunction in the inner cities, except of course to blame whitey, like ruby sparks' source is doing.
When dysfunction in the inner city is discussed, the inhabitants of the inner city and Democrats are always blamed . However when dysfunction in Appalachia is discussed (which is almost never), the inhabitants are not blamed nor is any political party. Perhaps even you can spot the difference here.Indeed. If you go to Appalachia you will find dysfunction there too. Except it is politically correct to talk about that but politically incorrect to talk about dysfunction in the inner cities, except of course to blame whitey, like ruby sparks' source is doing.
When the Crack epidemic hit blacks in the 80's, Nancy said "just say no". When the Oxy epidemic hit whites in the 20-teens, the Feds said "holy shit it's a disease we need to help them immediately!!!!" and pharma was sued for billions..
When a bunch of ignorant crackers get together and do donuts in parking lots with all three of their teeth bared, listening to the banjo and yeeehaww-ing till the cows are done getting the fucking in the corn.. we call that a bunch of good 'ol boys.
But when a black man and woman dance in public.. bunch of niggers doing nigger shit...
When dysfunction in the inner city is discussed, the inhabitants of the inner city and Democrats are always blamed . However when dysfunction in Appalachia is discussed (which is almost never), the inhabitants are not blamed nor is any political party. Perhaps even you can spot the difference here.Indeed. If you go to Appalachia you will find dysfunction there too. Except it is politically correct to talk about that but politically incorrect to talk about dysfunction in the inner cities, except of course to blame whitey, like ruby sparks' source is doing.
When the Crack epidemic hit blacks in the 80's, Nancy said "just say no". When the Oxy epidemic hit whites in the 20-teens, the Feds said "holy shit it's a disease we need to help them immediately!!!!" and pharma was sued for billions..
When a bunch of ignorant crackers get together and do donuts in parking lots with all three of their teeth bared, listening to the banjo and yeeehaww-ing till the cows are done getting the fucking in the corn.. we call that a bunch of good 'ol boys.
But when a black man and woman dance in public.. bunch of niggers doing nigger shit...
When dysfunction in the inner city is discussed, the inhabitants of the inner city and Democrats are always blamed . However when dysfunction in Appalachia is discussed (which is almost never), the inhabitants are not blamed nor is any political party. Perhaps even you can spot the difference here.Indeed. If you go to Appalachia you will find dysfunction there too. Except it is politically correct to talk about that but politically incorrect to talk about dysfunction in the inner cities, except of course to blame whitey, like ruby sparks' source is doing.
When the Crack epidemic hit blacks in the 80's, Nancy said "just say no". When the Oxy epidemic hit whites in the 20-teens, the Feds said "holy shit it's a disease we need to help them immediately!!!!" and pharma was sued for billions..
When a bunch of ignorant crackers get together and do donuts in parking lots with all three of their teeth bared, listening to the banjo and yeeehaww-ing till the cows are done getting the fucking in the corn.. we call that a bunch of good 'ol boys.
But when a black man and woman dance in public.. bunch of niggers doing nigger shit...
I see no difference at all... much less a "big" difference. Are you under the impression that oxy abusers are following their doctors prescriptions? cute. Doctors over-prescribed so much that it fed an entire underground market for it. Crackers get their oxy precisely the same way niggers were getting their crack.. on the street.When the Crack epidemic hit blacks in the 80's, Nancy said "just say no". When the Oxy epidemic hit whites in the 20-teens, the Feds said "holy shit it's a disease we need to help them immediately!!!!" and pharma was sued for billions..
When a bunch of ignorant crackers get together and do donuts in parking lots with all three of their teeth bared, listening to the banjo and yeeehaww-ing till the cows are done getting the fucking in the corn.. we call that a bunch of good 'ol boys.
But when a black man and woman dance in public.. bunch of niggers doing nigger shit...
So you think crack was being prescribed by doctors? Obviously it wasn't. Big difference between doctors handing out drugs and people CHOOSING to sell them on the street.
I usually just assume adults have jobs... until the unemployment rate jumps a bit, you know.. like past 50%.. it's a pretty fair assumption. Which one in the video was observed by you selling crack in the 80's? You still recognize him? I'm assuming all black people look the same to you and that wasn't that guy.This actually brings up a good point. You claim the people in the video most likely have jobs and are just relaxing after a long day. So, then why did they have the need to sell the crack rock back then? They all have jobs, right? No need to sell drugs, right?
You guys don't realize it's about laziness and lack of work ethic. I once worked at a grocery store when I was younger and a new guy was hired (black). The job paid minimum wage and on the first Friday he got his first paycheck he opened it up, his mouth dropped and he yelled, "WTF!! I can make more money selling drugs! I'm out of here!" and he walked out.
I see no difference at all... much less a "big" difference. Are you under the impression that oxy abusers are following their doctors prescriptions? cute. Doctors over-prescribed so much that it fed an entire underground market for it. Crackers get their oxy precisely the same way niggers were getting their crack.. on the street.
I usually just assume adults have jobs... until the unemployment rate jumps a bit, you know.. like past 50%.. it's a pretty fair assumption. Which one in the video was observed by you selling crack in the 80's? You still recognize him? I'm assuming all black people look the same to you and that wasn't that guy.This actually brings up a good point. You claim the people in the video most likely have jobs and are just relaxing after a long day. So, then why did they have the need to sell the crack rock back then? They all have jobs, right? No need to sell drugs, right?
You guys don't realize it's about laziness and lack of work ethic. I once worked at a grocery store when I was younger and a new guy was hired (black). The job paid minimum wage and on the first Friday he got his first paycheck he opened it up, his mouth dropped and he yelled, "WTF!! I can make more money selling drugs! I'm out of here!" and he walked out.
Besides just being right about economics, what else did you not like about the new guy? Can I guess? Do I even need to?
look.. niggers are lazy.. it's right there in the name... niggardly.. look it up.
calling the "enemy" what you actually are is pretty common now-a-days.. you should be familiar. Crackers just sit around and "crack the whip" at the slaves that do all the work. the crackers were so lazy, they needed to get black people to do all the work.. lol!
lesson over.. take what you want... leave the rest.
When the Crack epidemic hit blacks in the 80's, Nancy said "just say no". When the Oxy epidemic hit whites in the 20-teens, the Feds said "holy shit it's a disease we need to help them immediately!!!!" and pharma was sued for billions..
When a bunch of ignorant crackers get together and do donuts in parking lots with all three of their teeth bared, listening to the banjo and yeeehaww-ing till the cows are done getting the fucking in the corn.. we call that a bunch of good 'ol boys.
But when a black man and woman dance in public.. bunch of niggers doing nigger shit...
But do these whites sit around and blame blacks for all their problems the way blacks blame whites for all their problems?
it pains me to say this, but if blacks became the majority in America, every street and town would look like the video.There's a reason people point to all the African countries as evidence they aren't very good at getting things done.
As I pointed out in another thread, nobody has a problem admitting some dogs are more violent than others and some dogs are dumber than others. But for some reason, they hate applying this logic to humans.