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Um...yeah, what I said in the headline. Posting this because it was a hallmark show, and because I need to stop thinking about the stupid, depressing shit in my life.

I started rewatching the series recently. And a few things stood out to me. First, Cliff Huxtables was a goofball, but he was neither stupid nor evil. Most of the times when he told his kids that they were messing up, he had a pretty good point. I know I kinda wave off the "stupid father" stereotype that gets used in shows and commercials, but it actually is nice to see a guy who, although not good at everything, is actually both a good guy, and pretty smart, but still flawed.

Clair was often the same. Rougher with the kids, and a bit shrill (occasionally cussing in Spanish), but what she did usually made sense, given the circumstances.

And last person I'll note is Theo, since in an odd way, he's kinda the Uncle Iroh of the show.

Bear with me here.

He was, in a strange way, a focus of the show. The pilot featured him giving a heartwarming "accept me the way I am" speech to Cliff...only to have Cliff throw his speech against the wall. The ending was of his graduating from college, after struggling, being diagnosed with Dyslexia, and pushing trough it. He was not the main focus, per se, but he was a lynchpin - much like Iroh was in Last Airbender. Although Iron was clearly much wiser, and I am mixing genres...

One last thing...The Cosby Show was black. And I don't mean it like the Jeffersons or anything, but in a very real way. Theo had an anti-apartheid poster in his room, wasn't ever brought up. Cliff once told his kids to wait "under the car" after they lost Rudy. Rudy herself referred to her friend Kenny as "Buuuud!" Cliff once battle-danced against a semi-famous tap dancer. This was really cool to me when it aired, and be black, without being aggressively so, and it'll work. They weren't angry, they weren't going to marches, they weren't calling white people "honky", it's just a black family, the end. I really loved that.
 
An epitome of american rasism. Maybe not in itself but as one of all these "clean" families. It's disgusting.
 
What was the most groundbreaking to me was that the parents were both professionals, something not seen often in sit-coms and certainly not for black families. The parents had high expectations of their children, academically, socially, morally, as family members. They clearly loved each other, respected each other, supported one another. They were not perfect but they were not dysfunctional and the humor was never mean spirited nor did it rely upon dysfunction. They were entirely relatable to middle class America across the races.

And yeah, Gregory Hines was more than semi-famous.
 
Cosby Show. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. Winsomely cute little daughter. Designer-pillow mom. Worst of all: those scenes where mom and the kids would put on a soul record and do a production number on their stairs, lip synching and parading down to the living room. Right. Like any family of mirror-gazing fart-knockers. I always wished in those production numbers that there was a sudden home invasion by a gang of cut-throat psychopaths led by Christopher Walken and Mickey Rourke. What a treacly show!!
 
On the one hand, the Huxtables were a more representative depiction of of American families, with imperfect yet not absurdly dumb or evil parents. On the other hand, they were highly non-representative as two graduate-degreed professionals with 5 children. Ignoring race and lowering the # of kids to just 3 or more, its a small fraction of a percent of Americans they reflect. Among blacks, its was probably less than 1 families in 10,000.

So, it was "ground-breaking" in large part because it chose to depict a familial situation that almost no one in the audience could identify with.

As for its cultural influence, on the one hand it was a positive depiction of blacks. On the other hand, it could give the impression that their behavioral and psychological qualities were as non-representative as the fact that they were two professionals with 5 kids.
 
It seems the makers of TV shows can't win - they show a stereotypical family and they are accused of pandering to stereotypes; they show a non-stereotypical family and they are accused of ignoring reality.
 
It's interesting how one person can watch a show and hate it and another love it. I liked the Cosby show myself. I was about to say that I thought the show had broad appeal, irregardless of race, but I don't really know that. It was certainly better than some shows with a predominately black cast in my opinion. Ever seen The First Family? Awful. I'll take The Cosby Show any day.

I grew up with Good Times, but from my experience, many middle class and up white people couldn't relate to that show at all.
 
Cosby Show. Ugh. Ugh. Ugh. Winsomely cute little daughter. Designer-pillow mom. Worst of all: those scenes where mom and the kids would put on a soul record and do a production number on their stairs, lip synching and parading down to the living room. Right. Like any family of mirror-gazing fart-knockers. I always wished in those production numbers that there was a sudden home invasion by a gang of cut-throat psychopaths led by Christopher Walken and Mickey Rourke. What a treacly show!!

Well, clearly Rudy was, at first, the standard cute little kid. But she was rarely a focus, because what can you do with some little kid? But like I said, it was pretty clearly a unique show. A show about a family with 4-5 kids, upper class, and *culturally* black without being *aggressively* so. I mean, we went from that to "Damn Gina!" pretty quickly, and from there to contrived reality shows...seems like anyone who doesn't just jump on the bandwagon on network tv gets attacked by the viewers these day....but I may be getting old..and in any case.

And oh yeah, I really did like the kids singing some Soul music. Always treated as special, always fun to watch.

It seems the makers of TV shows can't win - they show a stereotypical family and they are accused of pandering to stereotypes; they show a non-stereotypical family and they are accused of ignoring reality.

Well, here's the problem.

My problem is with the particular stereotype. The Fat, stupid or evil Husband, The lovely, controlling Wife, etc. Or the Crime Procedural. Or the Poor People with Inexplicably Expensive things. Or, dear god , the "Reality Show". That's why I'm looking forward to the Superhero Shows. Geez, they're a break from the norm, at least.). Or hthe blackitty, blackitty, black comedy, although that's long dead.

And yeah, These are why I'd like to see Flash and Gotham (yes, Agents of SHIELD and Arrow as well). They're breaks from the norm, and things that I *really* get interested in. Yeah,I'll get tired of them later, but for now...
 
Worst of all: those scenes where mom and the kids would put on a soul record and do a production number on their stairs, lip synching and parading down to the living room. Right.

Huh and sheesh to that...

We really did do stuff like that when we were kids. Tremendous fun!
 
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It seems the makers of TV shows can't win - they show a stereotypical family and they are accused of pandering to stereotypes; they show a non-stereotypical family and they are accused of ignoring reality.

For the record, I don't care either way and only expect my sitcoms to be funny. I would neither watch nor avoid a show for such political reasons. I just wanted to point out that that some of the claimed socially positive impacts of that show are questionable and that it some ways it was far less representative than shows viewed as stereotypical.
 
I'm sorry, did you just say Gregory Hines was only semi-famous? :eek:

Well, I mean relatively, and fair, few people were paying attention to tap -dancers of any type by the time I was born...

Gregory Hines was not just a "tap-dancer". He was an actor, singer, dancer, and choreographer. And was quite well-known in the '80s and '90s, in some big movies and on television.



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Worst of all: those scenes where mom and the kids would put on a soul record and do a production number on their stairs, lip synching and parading down to the living room. Right.

Huh and sheesh to that...

We really did do stuff like that when we were kids. Tremendous fun!

And they were "breaking the fourth wall" in those scenes. Putting on a performance for the audience.
 
Well, I mean relatively, and fair, few people were paying attention to tap -dancers of any type by the time I was born...

Gregory Hines was not just a "tap-dancer". He was an actor, singer, dancer, and choreographer. And was quite well-known in the '80s and '90s, in some big movies and on television.



I thought that something as weird when you brought up his name...

No, I meant Sandman Simms.

 
Breaking the 'fourth wall'...right, like Jimmy Fallon giggling during his sketches, to let us know how hip his humor is. Whenever they pranced down their staircase doing their idiotic, shame-based show biz number, I felt like breaking the glass wall and puking on them. I grant you the show covered more realities of life than the Bradys, but in the end it was almost as phony. A bunch of Black Americans that Ron & Nancy could love. I love dumping on the Cosby Show, let's continue!
 
Breaking the 'fourth wall'...right, like Jimmy Fallon giggling during his sketches, to let us know how hip his humor is. Whenever they pranced down their staircase doing their idiotic, shame-based show biz number, I felt like breaking the glass wall and puking on them. I grant you the show covered more realities of life than the Bradys, but in the end it was almost as phony. A bunch of Black Americans that Ron & Nancy could love. I love dumping on the Cosby Show, let's continue!
By all means, continue. You really didn't like the show. Let us know how many different ways you can express that.
 
Breaking the 'fourth wall'...right, like Jimmy Fallon giggling during his sketches, to let us know how hip his humor is. Whenever they pranced down their staircase doing their idiotic, shame-based show biz number, I felt like breaking the glass wall and puking on them. I grant you the show covered more realities of life than the Bradys, but in the end it was almost as phony. A bunch of Black Americans that Ron & Nancy could love. I love dumping on the Cosby Show, let's continue!
But to say that no "real" family would do such a thing is false. My family did things like this when we were kids and my girls do as well.
 
Breaking the 'fourth wall'...right, like Jimmy Fallon giggling during his sketches, to let us know how hip his humor is. Whenever they pranced down their staircase doing their idiotic, shame-based show biz number, I felt like breaking the glass wall and puking on them. I grant you the show covered more realities of life than the Bradys, but in the end it was almost as phony. A bunch of Black Americans that Ron & Nancy could love. I love dumping on the Cosby Show, let's continue!
But to say that no "real" family would do such a thing is false. My family did things like this when we were kids and my girls do as well.

But, to be fair, you are one of the Cosby kids, so you're not really disproving his point. :)
 
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