Come back as an animal & Darwin's Mother is an Ape

[Ramaraksha]

Ramaraksha,
You can convey the same basic message that there is no magic land or oceanic bliss (the womb) to escape to, without ever distracting from that message by blathering about reincarnation. That'd be a much more effective strategy for a war of ideas, because you remove the red herring from your own argument.

Again, fight ideas with ideas - as long as billions of people believe in Heaven, we need other ideas beside "it doesn't exist" bit. And not sure what the red herring is all about - can you please amplify?

Is there enough bit of a mind in your head to notice how reincarnation distracts from your point about "this is all there is" here in this discussion board?

Again, Reincarnation is the ideas that this is all there is just as Heaven is the idea that one can run away from life. When it comes to words of another religion you can't get past a literal interpretation it seems

 

[Ramaraksha]

you say Nietzsche says "Life over and over again!" and you say it is about loving life but when it comes to Reincarnation you completely turn it around!

No. Try to understand the concept and stop misinterpreting everything. Nietzsche's challenge is, if you faced the prospect of having to endure your present life, in all the squalid details, again and again, how does that make you feel? Do you balk and say "No, I would rather have a different life in my next 'incarnation' whether in heaven or any other kind of after-death experience (like reincarnation back into this world)"? Or do you say "Yes, I like this life so well, that it's perfectly fine even with all the mistakes and suffering"?

The "again and again" is distinctly NOT the point of this challenge to one's values. It's included to get a person thinking about this particular life and one's experience of it, before death happens.

Again and again you take the words soo literally while you constantly interpret Nietzsche - the concept of Reincarnation is meant to make you appreciate life, warts and all! That is why they are asking you to ask for it once more - they saw Heaven as the idea that we can get away from this all and they come up with the idea that Life must be faced, not run away from. You can't divorce the idea of Reincarnation from the idea of Heaven - that is what the ancients were faced against - a life that was very, very harsh, we can't even begin to imagine how harsh life was for our ancestors and the idea of Heaven - a place to get away from it all - was and sadly is still very very tempting. So tempting that even today religions preach division and hatred based on religion and even the most educated do not speak up

The only way to defeat an idea is with another idea - Reincarnation is not saying you have a bad life now, next life will be better, no sir, all Reincarnation is saying that running away won't make life any better - you might as well stay and make the best of it. That is what Nietzsche understood from his reading, he interpreted the concept correctly which you are having a hard time because you refuse to interpret it, you take it literally

 

[abaddon]

How about "you're going to die and when you do, that's that" as an idea to defeat both heaven and reincarnation and all other escapist fantasies? How do you rate its chances compared to your eccentric and various presentations of reincarnation?

 

[Ramaraksha]

How about "you're going to die and when you do, that's that" as an idea to defeat both heaven and reincarnation and all other escapist fantasies? How do you rate its chances compared to your eccentric and various presentations of reincarnation?

Ok watch this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzRbCrIWURY&t=1s - a very good video series on Nietzsche I might add and watch the very end where the author of this video clearly shows that Nietzsche was talking about Reincarnation

"The higher man understands his tremendous moments were born from his darkest moments" - that is as far away from Buddhism as one can get. Nietzsche asks us to revel in life - all the ups and downs whereas the Buddha clearly asks us to drop all our desires in order for us to be happy. With the Buddha it's all about being happy, whereas Nietzsche clearly preaches against it. Actually i am not too sure that the Buddha advocated dropping all desires - all he said was if we drop desires, we will be happy, that's all

How you ended up saying Nietzsche and Buddhism had something in common i will never know

 

[Ramaraksha]

How about "you're going to die and when you do, that's that" as an idea to defeat both heaven and reincarnation and all other escapist fantasies? How do you rate its chances compared to your eccentric and various presentations of reincarnation?

Ok watch this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzRbCrIWURY&t=1s - a very good video series on Nietzsche I might add and watch the very end where the author of this video clearly shows that Nietzsche was talking about Reincarnation

How is Reincarnation escapist? You are coming back to this same harsh life! How can you say that is escapist? You can say running away to Heaven - the easy good life of doing nothing, a useless existence of self-indulgence as escapist but how can you put Reincarnation in the same bucket? This is where i use the word Brainwashed - if reincarnation is so great why is it that so few religions preach it? As far as i know only Hinduism and Sikhism preach it

 

[Jobar]

Are you familiar with Alan Watts, Rama?

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