Chronicles in Socialism - Venezuela has Elections Sunday

[maxparrish]

A landslide victory like that is supporting evidence of no major foul play.

There has never been any inordinate foul play.

Far less than say Ohio or Florida.

It is a myth created by US opponents of Chavez and his democratic victories.

This is the second post where you keep referring to Chavez in the present tense (see your post 49). You do know he is dead, right?

 

[untermensche]

There has never been any inordinate foul play.

Far less than say Ohio or Florida.

It is a myth created by US opponents of Chavez and his democratic victories.

This is the second post where you keep addressing Chavez in the present tense. You do know he is dead, right?

The "opponents" are in the present tense.

You need to go back to school.

 

[maxparrish]

This is the second post where you keep addressing Chavez in the present tense. You do know he is dead, right?

The "opponents" are in the present tense.

You need to go back to school.

Your hair-split might be convincing except for your previous post:

"Nothing crazy about Chavez talking about the US causing trouble. And doing it with accomplices, like Britain or bribed nationals, all the time.

The US, not Chavez is the real problem in the region."

What is crazy is to talk about Chavez as if he is alive, and identifying folks as "opponents of Chavez" rather than as opponents of Chavizmo.

Chavez is dead...although I am sure he is still alive in the mind of many true believers (along with Elvis).

 

[untermensche]

The "opponents" are in the present tense.

You need to go back to school.

Your hair-split might be convincing except for your previous post:

"Nothing crazy about Chavez talking about the US causing trouble. And doing it with accomplices, like Britain or bribed nationals, all the time.
The US, not Chavez is the real problem in the region."

What is crazy is to talk about Chavez in the present tense, and identifying "opponents of Chavez" rather than as opponents of Chavizmo.

Chavez is dead...although I am sure he is still alive in the mind of many true believers (along with Elvis).

You're deluded.

There is absolutely nothing in any of that to force one to conclude I am referring to Chavez in the present tense.

Again, there are schools that teach reading.

But why quibble on this happy day.

Venezuela might return to the apartheid state controlled by foreign investors with a puppet government, as it was before Chavez.

The place you long for.

 

[maxparrish]

By the way, here is the take of Daniel and his Venezuelan Blog:

The second factor on sanguinity is the reaction of the regime. All that has been written before, at least on this blog, is still valid. They are a bunch of thugs focused on personal power and wealth. That they retreated Sunday is due to the only language thugs understand: force. 2 million + vote and the refusal of the army to go along with a fraud that could not be covered up in thick make up is a language they understand. The democratic language that people got tired of them and demand at the very least an aggiornamento of their objectives is a message that so far does not seem to have reached the guilt cortex area of Maduro, Cabello, Rodriguez and most heavy weights of the regime.

I allow myself to think that a 2/3 majority will scare the beejeezuzz of these thugs in charge and push them away of any possible transition. For the opposition to defend and assume the 0,666666... means that it has to be ready to face conflict much sooner than expected. Not that a 3/5 majority would be pleasing to the regime, but it would make negotiations easier to come along.

Let's not forget one thing: there is an economy blow up coming. What we have seen in 2015 is nothing. If we do not want to starve in 2016 or die of fever because we do not even aspirin we are going to have to go hat in hand for money. The only one left that can bail us out is the IMF and there is a need to convince the executive power in the hands of chavismo to accept that reality. Imposing it just because we have a 2/3 majority is not going to do.

http://daniel-venezuela.blogspot.com/

 

[untermensche]

That blog is probably written by some CIA clerk.

A blog about surviving the Chavez and heirs neo-dictatorship

Where do I throw up?

 

[maxparrish]

That blog is probably written by some CIA clerk.

A blog about surviving the Chavez and heirs neo-dictatorship

Where do I throw up?

On your lap?

 

[untermensche]

That blog is probably written by some CIA clerk.



Where do I throw up?

On your lap?

You agree. A good vomiting over that absurd blog title is in order.

But hey, some eat that shit up.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

By the way, here is the take of Daniel and his Venezuelan Blog:

...

http://daniel-venezuela.blogspot.com/

From the FAQ:

...It is thus an anti Chavez blog ...

Why is the blog using Chavez in the present tense?

Also, does Chavismo in the present tense scare you?

 

[maxparrish]

From the FAQ:

...It is thus an anti Chavez blog ...

Why is the blog using Chavez in the present tense?

Also, does Chavismo in the present tense scare you?
http://www.eluniversal.com.co/sites...ublic/201201/fotos/chavez_0.jpg?itok=XSE3hwAp

Perhaps because that FAQ was written while Chavez was alive and when the blog was launched - after all, the blog has been in operation long before Chavez's death. Too obvious?

Chavismo is frightening to any non-socialist, and especially illustrative of a mindset not confined to Venezuela (e.g. BLM and E. Warren), but not nearly as frightening as that photo. Gives a whole new meaning to putting lipstick on a sun-pitted, cone headed, bovine grinner.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

From the FAQ:


Why is the blog using Chavez in the present tense?

Also, does Chavismo in the present tense scare you?
http://www.eluniversal.com.co/sites...ublic/201201/fotos/chavez_0.jpg?itok=XSE3hwAp

Perhaps because that FAQ was written while Chavez was alive and when the blog was launched - after all, the blog has been in operation long before Chavez's death. Too obvious?

Trap sprung and caught.

Here's the full sentence:

It is thus an anti Chavez blog which continues since his death as an anti "chavismo" blog.

It's an anti-Chavez blog and even in the same sentence it acknowledges his death. FAQ doesn't say "It WAS an anti-Chavez blog that is now an anti-Chavismo blog." It says "It IS."

Anyway, your whole grammar derail has nothing to do with the op.

 

[maxparrish]

Back to the insights of Daniel:

If this (cheering up the cadre) cannot be done by the...temperament of the leader then there is always resigning your position. What Maduro did tonight was resigning his (cabinet) subordinates and through Cabello announce(ing) open season on the new Assembly.

...It all started with a TV show where a bitter Maduro let it be known clearly that he felt betrayed by those who did not vote for him. He went (on)...he was hurt that after all his gifts during the campaign (apartment, tablets, taxis,...) he did not get the support he deserved. He did not realize of course that he was also admitting to a crime, of buying votes. But I digress. (Max's note, perhaps he should have given away cell phones?).

Then at some point Cabello joined him (I did not watch, I am just summarizing Twitter, the only open media of Venezuela). It was for Cabello to announce the new battle plans against the incoming Assembly. They include a series of new laws and appointments to be made before normal sessions end on December 15. ... some of the decisions announced would be illegal if they were to be approved in that delay (before the new Assembly). For example, laws need a certain numbers of discussion sessions. Naming new High Court (TSJ) judges must include a nomination process that requires weeks.

... most of Cabello's legislative program would be illegal and I, for one, doubt that the TSJ would dare to annul an Assembly vote to revoke those lame duck decisions. Were the TSJ do so the new National Assembly would have no other choice but to call for a constituent assembly to remove ALL judges from their job.

Of course all of this bravado is the result of a bitter deception, the more so that in spite of all maneuvering the CNE finally recognized today that the National Assembly will have a 2/3 majority. To add insult to injury, that majority is due to the 3 elected representatives of the indigenous people. ... The point was that in eternal gratitude for what came to be an empty gesture chavismo would have a lock on those three seats. Guess what? The natives are as fed up with scarcity than the invaders.

The bravado nature is confirmed with the latest on ANTV (our dim C-Span). Now Cabello has decided that it would go to its workers and thus the new leadership of the Assembly will not be able to direct its own TV Channel. This is of course idiotic because the new Assembly would now be forced to revoke the CONATEL law to control media and return TVes to its old owners Radio Caracas TV (and I also doubt that no matter how packed the TSJ is it would annul such decisions).

I, for one, think that Maduro and Cabello tonight are digging fast their own hole. Alone.

Note: Maduro asked for the resignation of his cabinet when he is the one who should resign. Some already suggest that it is to remove from office those that are the more compromised by shady finances and to thus delay their eventual exam by New Assembly. The real question though is who will dare to accept the new jobs at a collapsing presidency.

Interesting. But all this assumes that MUD will have the unity and backbone to keep its diverse interests in line AND that the Chavesta courts will not unilaterally veto new laws.

We shall see...

 

[untermensche]

To translate.

An open election occurred and now a transition is beginning.

A totally normal democracy.

The melodrama and insane predictions are nothing but the strings pulled by US propaganda.

 

[maxparrish]

Perhaps because that FAQ was written while Chavez was alive and when the blog was launched - after all, the blog has been in operation long before Chavez's death. Too obvious?

Trap sprung and caught.

Here's the full sentence:

It is thus an anti Chavez blog which continues since his death as an anti "chavismo" blog.

It's an anti-Chavez blog and even in the same sentence it acknowledges his death. FAQ doesn't say "It WAS an anti-Chavez blog that is now an anti-Chavismo blog." It says "It IS."

What an idiotic "trap". YOU MISSED the whole point sport, is has nothing to do with a one sentence grammatical mistake. It has to do with clarity. Unlike native a spanish speaking blogger Daniel, Unter showed no awareness of Chavez's death. Had he done so, there would be not have been confusion for his repeated present tense references to Chavez and Chavez opponents (duh.) as if he were still alive. Which is WHY I asked him if he knew that Chavez was dead.

Anyway, your whole grammar derail has nothing to do with the op.

Not so fast squidly. Like unter, you labored to trap, and then, fearful of my reply, quickly tell us to move on because its just a "derail". Oh really?

I already concluded my conversation with Unter. You intentionally resurrected it, springing a lame two post "trap" to derail, and now you are complaining that just bringing it up is a derail? LOL...more like a very confused pot calling the porcelain sink black.

Unter kept writing of Chavez as if he were alive, and the current opposition being as merely opposed to him. Either Unter was unaware of his death, or his habit of political thought betrayed his cult of personal worship. Still not sure which.

Daniel, whose native language is Spanish, does not have perfect grammar but he is clearer than Unter (or you) in his FAQ english...notwithstanding your feeble anti-contextualism:

What this blog is about?

This blog is about exposing the fraud that the Chavez regime represents. It is thus an anti Chavez blog which continues since his death as an anti "chavismo" blog. This blog aim is simply to narrate how the country is falling to pieces, trying to explain some of the events that took place to account for the demise.

What you will not find in this blog

You will not find here detailed explanations about Chavez movement, nor indulgent views on activities of the ill called "Bolivarian Revolution". The blog only will describe chavismo tenets and organization as needed...

Daniel is clear - Chavez is dead. But given your gibberish, if you (or Unter) want to bunker down with the "No habla Inglas" defense, at least that is more believable than your complaints.

Moving on...

 

[dismal]

To translate.

An open election occurred and now a transition is beginning.

A totally normal democracy.

The melodrama and insane predictions are nothing but the strings pulled by US propaganda.

Chavez, it was said, liked democracy only when he won elections. Not so much the rest of the time. We'll get to see if the Chavistas respond to the will of the people now.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Trap sprung and caught.

Here's the full sentence:

It is thus an anti Chavez blog which continues since his death as an anti "chavismo" blog.

It's an anti-Chavez blog and even in the same sentence it acknowledges his death. FAQ doesn't say "It WAS an anti-Chavez blog that is now an anti-Chavismo blog." It says "It IS."

What an idiotic "trap". YOU MISSED the whole point sport, is has nothing to do with a one sentence grammatical mistake. It has to do with clarity. Unlike native a spanish speaking blogger Daniel, Unter showed no awareness of Chavez's death. Had he done so, there would be not have been confusion for his repeated present tense references to Chavez and Chavez opponents (duh.) as if he were still alive. Which is WHY I asked him if he knew that Chavez was dead.

untermensche has participated in each of your Chronicles of Socialism in Venezuela threads over time. For example, the one you started in January, then the second one you started in January, then the one you started in May, then the one you started in July, then the one you started this month. He already acknowledged in those threads he knew of Chavez's death. So your distinction used to try to make an argument has no merit.

He also would have participated in the one you were dreaming about in September but you never treated the forum with that act.

Anyway, your whole grammar derail has nothing to do with the op.

Not so fast squidly. Like unter, you labored to trap, and then, fearful of my reply, quickly tell us to move on because its just a "derail". Oh really?

No, I just think devoting my own resources of time and energy to this idiotic derail you made against your own thread is of little value.

The only real value to it is that so readers can see what kind of useless arguments and emotional appeals you will use over something so dumb.

Moving on...

Let's see if you can do it.

 

[untermensche]

To translate.

An open election occurred and now a transition is beginning.

A totally normal democracy.

The melodrama and insane predictions are nothing but the strings pulled by US propaganda.

Chavez, it was said, liked democracy only when he won elections. Not so much the rest of the time. We'll get to see if the Chavistas respond to the will of the people now.

Then Chavez liked Democracy a whole lot.

 

[KeepTalking]

Chavismo is frightening to any non-socialist, and especially illustrative of a mindset not confined to Venezuela (e.g. BLM and E. Warren)

BLM, really?

Exactly how is BLM akin to the Chavismo mindset in Venezuela?

 

[maxparrish]

Chavismo is frightening to any non-socialist, and especially illustrative of a mindset not confined to Venezuela (e.g. BLM and E. Warren)

BLM, really?

Exactly how is BLM akin to the Chavismo mindset in Venezuela?

The Chavismo lovefest:

NEW YORK -- Black intellectuals, activists and political leaders honored Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro at the National Black Theatre in Harlem on Monday, praising his left-wing government’s education and health care policies as an alternative and possible remedy to U.S. policies they say foster racism.

Maduro is one of dozens of heads of state who traveled to New York this week to speak before the annual U.N. General Assembly -- and his stop in Harlem carried symbolic weight. Taking the podium in front of a banner displaying his own mustachioed image and raised fist, Maduro excoriated European colonialism and U.S.-led neoliberalism as the twin foundations of racism in the Americas.

“We’ve suffered with you,” Maduro told the crowd of about 200 people. “It hurts us to know that this old structure of racism continues to haunt our populations like a ghost.” ...

The event in Harlem provided the leftist Maduro with an opportunity to reach out to American progressives and to share a stage with black thinkers and activists, including actor Danny Glover, Democratic New York state Sen. Bill Perkins, and co-founder of #BlackLivesMatter Opal Tometi.

"We experience the daily effects of the neoliberal agenda that guts the social safety net that was intended to provide some modicum of support and stabilization to marginalized communities,” Tometi said. “And instead, we’ve seen investments in apparatuses and systems that criminalize us and that displace us … That constitutes state violence. Let’s call it what it is.”

...While Maduro received a hero’s welcome in Harlem -- where the crowd cheered and shouted “¡Viva Chávez!” and “¡Viva Venezuela!” -- he has struggled to find his footing at home after narrowly winning the country's 2013 election.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-activists-nicolas-maduro-harlem_560a836fe4b0af3706ddc573

And the love continues:

A co-founder of the Black Lives Matter campaign is in Caracas for Election Day at the invitation of the socialist government.

Opal Tometi was swarmed by government critics on Twitter after posting about the relief she felt being "in a place where there is intelligent political discourse."

http://www.usnews.com/news/world/ar...-voting-kicks-off-with-fireworks-in-venezuela

Nothing like inviting a friend of the revolution as an "election observer", while banning OAS monitors.

 

[KeepTalking]

BLM, really?

Exactly how is BLM akin to the Chavismo mindset in Venezuela?

The Chavismo lovefest:

NEW YORK -- Black intellectuals, activists and political leaders honored Venezuelan President Nicolás Maduro at the National Black Theatre in Harlem on Monday, praising his left-wing government’s education and health care policies as an alternative and possible remedy to U.S. policies they say foster racism.

Maduro is one of dozens of heads of state who traveled to New York this week to speak before the annual U.N. General Assembly -- and his stop in Harlem carried symbolic weight. Taking the podium in front of a banner displaying his own mustachioed image and raised fist, Maduro excoriated European colonialism and U.S.-led neoliberalism as the twin foundations of racism in the Americas.

“We’ve suffered with you,” Maduro told the crowd of about 200 people. “It hurts us to know that this old structure of racism continues to haunt our populations like a ghost.”

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-activists-nicolas-maduro-harlem_560a836fe4b0af3706ddc573

And the love continues:

A co-founder of the Black Lives Matter campaign is in Caracas for Election Day at the invitation of the socialist government.

Opal Tometi was swarmed by government critics on Twitter after posting about the relief she felt being "in a place where there is intelligent political discourse."

http://www.usnews.com/news/world/ar...-voting-kicks-off-with-fireworks-in-venezuela

Nothing like inviting a friend of the revolution as an "election observer", while banning OAS monitors.

This says nothing about the BLM mindset, your first quote does not even mention BLM, but rather "Black intellectuals, activists and political leaders". So, one BLM co-founder went to Venezuela for Election Day at the invitation of the socialist government. That tells us that the Maduro's government supports BLM to some extent, and that Tometi probably does not know the meaning of "intelligent political discourse", but it in no way supports your supposition that BLM as a group has a Chavismo mindset.