Charlie Kirk shot in Utah

[Politesse]

A detailed summary of the day.

The one actual fight was over on Bancroft, where there are always a bunch of street vendors selling cheap random crap. Two guys got into a screaming match that escalated. On campus, four students were arrested for trying to attach a cardboard sign to Sather Gate, aka vandalism. Later, police broke up a verbal fight that they said was turning violent. That was it. The riot.

Before you ask, no, I still don't "side with the violent thugs outside Berkeley".

 

[Elixir]

There’s still a Charlie Kirk channel on Dish.
I thought he was dead.

Right wingers do like their personality cults.

Yabut, how devoid of personality do you have to be, to idolize the personality of a dead guy?
(Christians need not answer)

 

[laughing dog]

It seems pretty clear that there were not lots of civilian violent poopy heads, so the use of metaphor “fascist” appears as hyperbole or irony, depending on one’s feeling.

 

[Politesse]

It seems pretty clear that there were not lots of civilian violent poopy heads, so the use of metaphor “fascist” appears as hyperbole or irony, depending on one’s feeling.

If fascism looks like anything, it surely looks like fully armored soldiers throwing an eighteen year old to the ground and booking them for trying to glue a cardboard ladybug to a public gate, while dressed as a frog. I mean, detaining a violent thug. Not the soldier, the frog. Police are heroes.

 

[TSwizzle]

So, TSwizzle is making up stuff again,

See post #2074 above where I point out that the video you yourself posted contradicts what you claimed - the claim being that protesters were assaulting TPUSA people.

Link/quote and highlight what it is I made up.

 

[Elixir]

Link/quote and highlight what it is I made up.

Wah wah wah!!!
“Climate change is a myth”

Ok, to be fair, lacking any originality or ideas of your own, you didn’t “make it up”.
The same is likely to be true of every other stupid right wing trope you incessantly parrot.

Asking people to find something original, that is, actually made up by the Fizzle, limits them to two word insults… e.g. “insufferable prick”, even though they ritually vote for one. But I don’t see a lot of other RW pundits electing to use the phrase, so credit to the Fizzle.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Fascism is a spectrum, I suppose. There’s a murky area of authoritarian creep that leads to it. But labeling individuals who oppose fascism as the villains, even if they get violent, seems nowhere on that spectrum—though I suppose one might try to defend it.

Consider the American Revolution: colonists opposed the brutally violent tactics committed by the Redcoats, even if the original complaints were just about unfair taxes. It was really the opposition to authoritarianism and state violence that popularized independence. But not all colonists were pro-independence; a significant number were fiercely loyal to the British, and some even became spies.

Let's call these two groups the Revolutionaries and the Loyalists. The Loyalists were effectively accepting of systemic violence and oppression. If these people were all alive today, the Loyalists would likely be labeled fascist collaborators and the Revolutionaries labeled anti-fascists. Interestingly, some of the Revolutionaries went quite overboard with their own violence and thuggery (yup, "violent thugs") by doing things like tarring and feathering their neighbors.

Many of these Loyalists eventually fled to Canada, and their descendants can still be found in the eastern provinces there. But what is interesting isn't just that we celebrate the "violent" Revolutionaries today, but rather what the Loyalists said at the time. They essentially accused the Revolutionaries of being worse authoritarians than the King—or, as the Loyalist Mather Byles famously put it, they preferred one tyrant 3,000 miles away to "three thousand tyrants one mile away." In today’s language, they were accusing the anti-fascists of being the fascists.

 

[Jarhyn]

It seems pretty clear that there were not lots of civilian violent poopy heads, so the use of metaphor “fascist” appears as hyperbole or irony, depending on one’s feeling.

If fascism looks like anything, it surely looks like fully armored soldiers throwing an eighteen year old to the ground and booking them for trying to glue a cardboard ladybug to a public gate, while dressed as a frog. I mean, detaining a violent thug. Not the soldier, the frog. Police are heroes.

The facts of today should not be forgotten, especially quiet small places, limited forums, especially of those who refuse allegiance and dogma and masters and gods and kings, but accept all people not seeking to be "above" as equals.

TPUSA was in service of cheering for forcing all three upon people, and still is. They demand that we believe in a contradiction that can be used to say anything; God is the tool of masters and kings, and people who would pretend being a "god" makes them the creator/administrator god of this world, or grants divine right to harm people against their consent.

And the most fucked up part is that not everyone trying to sell that contradiction sells it in the same way, and it always comes down to "the world should be just the way I want it and no other way that may vary from this".

I think, myself, we should strive for having the maximum possible variance expressed among ourselves; to interfere as little as possible and to accept a little more than we are expected to make others tolerate, and to agree on a general margin as is supported by the mercy of others.

I do think there could be more. I think there could be exactly what we see, no more or less... But we certainly see this same playbook trotted out again and again and again.

Oftentimes, there's even an undertone of gender politics, and the fascists usually side against those who press for freedom.