Carter and Trump: What They May Have In Common?

[dismal]

I'll remind you that just after being let into America, some of those Jewish refugees immediately started building nuclear bombs.

Heh, good one.

 

[untermensche]

Don't all nation states restrict the comings and goings of foreign nationals when those states are not at peace?

Did Carter do something out of the ordinary?

Hell, Roosevelt sent US nationals with foreign ancestry to camps.

He makes Trump look like a moderate.

Wait until college students find out. They'll want Roosevelt taken off their money.

It doesn't make Roosevelt look moderate.

The Japanese had a very powerful military and were an aggressive imperialistic nation. They might have won the battle for the Pacific.

In hindsight it appears horrendous and maybe it was, but Roosevelt faced real fear of military attack and uncertainty.

Trump is just appealing to the lowest in people to win an election.

 

[dismal]

Hell, Roosevelt sent US nationals with foreign ancestry to camps.

He makes Trump look like a moderate.

Wait until college students find out. They'll want Roosevelt taken off their money.

It doesn't make Roosevelt look moderate.

The Japanese had a very powerful military and were an aggressive imperialistic nation. They might have won the battle for the Pacific.

In hindsight it appears horrendous and maybe it was, but Roosevelt faced real fear of military attack and uncertainty.

Trump is just appealing to the lowest in people to win an election.

Oh crap, there's someone willing to defend sending American citizens to camps. Viva las progressives!

 

[maxparrish]

It doesn't make Roosevelt look moderate.

The Japanese had a very powerful military and were an aggressive imperialistic nation. They might have won the battle for the Pacific.

In hindsight it appears horrendous and maybe it was, but Roosevelt faced real fear of military attack and uncertainty.

Trump is just appealing to the lowest in people to win an election.

Oh crap, there's someone willing to defend sending American citizens to camps. Viva las progressives!

LOL...

 

[maxparrish]

Hell, Roosevelt sent US nationals with foreign ancestry to camps.

He makes Trump look like a moderate.

Wait until college students find out. They'll want Roosevelt taken off their money.

It doesn't make Roosevelt look moderate.

The Japanese had a very powerful military and were an aggressive imperialistic nation. They might have won the battle for the Pacific.

In hindsight it appears horrendous and maybe it was, but Roosevelt faced real fear of military attack and uncertainty.

Trump is just appealing to the lowest in people to win an election.

Being a right-wing, heartless, and racist asshole one of my high school "gang" of (six) close friends was a Japanese-American. His parents and grand parents had spent the war in an internment camp. At the time, his parents were around college age and had spent most (or all) of their life in the US (and were citizens). Needless to say, his view of Roosevelt's actions were less than positive.

My own view was similar to yours, but 20 years out of high school (1990 or so) I changed my mind. Roosevelt and California AG Earle Warren's (yes THAT SCOTUS liberal Earl Warren) acted outrageously, and illegally. Had they limited internment to non-citizens Japanese (enemy aliens) then their internment would have been legal. However, they interned a patriotic and loyal community of citizens (some here for several generations).

The result was that they lost their businesses, farms, homes, cars, and many personal items. That many of them were willing to join the Army anyway and prove their valor in Europe is remarkable (although how they were sacrificed by their commanding general is another outrageous story).

Of course, I understand the widespread fear, and there was some basis for it in the newer and less loyal Japanese community in Hawaii, but to send a totally American and California-ized, swing dancing, Christian bobby sock'er teen and her farming parents to a camp at Tule Lake (God's forsaken country) was unconscionable and absurd.

(Most likely, Earle Warren's uber liberal actions on civil rights came from a need to beat other's breasts for his own unacknowledged and extreme moral failings).

 

[untermensche]

It doesn't make Roosevelt look moderate.

The Japanese had a very powerful military and were an aggressive imperialistic nation. They might have won the battle for the Pacific.

In hindsight it appears horrendous and maybe it was, but Roosevelt faced real fear of military attack and uncertainty.

Trump is just appealing to the lowest in people to win an election.

Oh crap, there's someone willing to defend sending American citizens to camps. Viva las progressives!

Nice dodge.

That is all you are capable of.

Posting complete shit then running away from it as fast as you can.

A worthless fool.

 

[untermensche]

It doesn't make Roosevelt look moderate.

The Japanese had a very powerful military and were an aggressive imperialistic nation. They might have won the battle for the Pacific.

In hindsight it appears horrendous and maybe it was, but Roosevelt faced real fear of military attack and uncertainty.

Trump is just appealing to the lowest in people to win an election.

Being a right-wing, heartless, and racist asshole one of my high school "gang" of (six) close friends was a Japanese-American. His parents and grand parents had spent the war in an internment camp. At the time, his parents were around college age and had spent most (or all) of their life in the US (and were citizens). Needless to say, his view of Roosevelt's actions were less than positive.

My own view was similar to yours, but 20 years out of high school (1990 or so) I changed my mind. Roosevelt and California AG Earle Warren's (yes THAT SCOTUS liberal Earl Warren) acted outrageously, and illegally. Had they limited internment to non-citizens Japanese (enemy aliens) then their internment would have been legal. However, they interned a patriotic and loyal community of citizens (some here for several generations).

The result was that they lost their businesses, farms, homes, cars, and many personal items. That many of them were willing to join the Army anyway and prove their valor in Europe is remarkable (although how they were sacrificed by their commanding general is another outrageous story).

Of course, I understand the widespread fear, and there was some basis for it in the newer and less loyal Japanese community in Hawaii, but to send a totally American and California-ized, swing dancing, Christian bobby sock'er teen and her farming parents to a camp at Tule Lake (God's forsaken country) was unconscionable and absurd.

(Most likely, Earle Warren's uber liberal actions on civil rights came from a need to beat other's breasts for his own unacknowledged and extreme moral failings).

You haven't made any argument that addresses or contradicts my points.

What I said was Roosevelt faced real fears and had real responsibilities. He did something wrong in the heat of battle.

Trump is a piece of shit drumming up imaginary fears to gain votes. He is a despicable pandering asshole, little more.

And you can't use some immorality Trump supports as an argument in favor of him.

 

[iolo]

Like Hitler with Germans, both Bush and Trump were supported by cowards who love a bully and are too lazy and ignorant to understand anything that is happening.

 

[J842P]

Being a right-wing, heartless, and racist asshole one of my high school "gang" of (six) close friends was a Japanese-American. His parents and grand parents had spent the war in an internment camp. At the time, his parents were around college age and had spent most (or all) of their life in the US (and were citizens). Needless to say, his view of Roosevelt's actions were less than positive.

My own view was similar to yours, but 20 years out of high school (1990 or so) I changed my mind. Roosevelt and California AG Earle Warren's (yes THAT SCOTUS liberal Earl Warren) acted outrageously, and illegally. Had they limited internment to non-citizens Japanese (enemy aliens) then their internment would have been legal. However, they interned a patriotic and loyal community of citizens (some here for several generations).

The result was that they lost their businesses, farms, homes, cars, and many personal items. That many of them were willing to join the Army anyway and prove their valor in Europe is remarkable (although how they were sacrificed by their commanding general is another outrageous story).

Of course, I understand the widespread fear, and there was some basis for it in the newer and less loyal Japanese community in Hawaii, but to send a totally American and California-ized, swing dancing, Christian bobby sock'er teen and her farming parents to a camp at Tule Lake (God's forsaken country) was unconscionable and absurd.

(Most likely, Earle Warren's uber liberal actions on civil rights came from a need to beat other's breasts for his own unacknowledged and extreme moral failings).

You haven't made any argument that addresses or contradicts my points.

What I said was Roosevelt faced real fears and had real responsibilities. He did something wrong in the heat of battle.

Trump is a piece of shit drumming up imaginary fears to gain votes. He is a despicable pandering asshole, little more.

And you can't use some immorality Trump supports as an argument in favor of him.

While I'll grant you that there is a difference between Roosevelt and Trump in that Trump is merely using this as a form of demagoguery, do you really suppose that Americans, perhaps Obama, might not have a valid reason to fear the people coming in as Syrian refugees?

 

[whichphilosophy]

One was a country we were having political trouble with the other is a religion with US citizens.

Yeah I had the same notion and legally, I think you are correct from this point of view. Trump's proposal may violate the Establishment Clause, where the government's power is restricted in such a way that when they exercise their powers they must do so as to not violate the rights in the BOR or U.S. Constitution. There isn't any similar language in the BOR or the U.S. Constitution restricting federal government power on the basis of nationality.

I haven't been able to locate and read the exact language of Carter's order but some sources reported Carter restricted entry only for those Iranians living within Iran, but another source stated Carter's prohibition was on the basis they were Iranian (nationality) regardless of location.

Let's suppose the EO was on the basis of nationality, all Iranians, regardless of location. Likely lawful, for reason previously stated, but is this an act of discrimination we find more palatable than discrimination on the basis of religion? I want to say yes but in my gut I am inclined to say no. Maybe Carter was wrong to issue his EO.

France has banned religious symbols which identify people's faiths and Trump wants to do the opposite.