Can the definition of infinity disprove an infinite past?

[Learner]

Or better... if the Bible is read literally, how do you make a goat be born with a checkerboard pattern in its fur?

I'll have to look that one up , in case you've done it again out of context by mistake. (I don't know everything biblically by heart)

 

[none]

Ok
So day is nothing to do with sunrise and sunset
Are you sure about this interpretation

Its still sunrise and sunset in the interpretation as I understand it.

You do understand that the duration of sunlight and sunset isn't 12 hours

 

[skepticalbip]

Or better... if the Bible is read literally, how do you make a goat be born with a checkerboard pattern in its fur?

I'll have to look that one up , in case you've done it again out of context. (I don't know everything biblically by heart)

I don't know "by heart" either but my grandfather was a Methodist minister so I was pretty much required to read it when I was growing up. Much of it struck me as damned strange even in my youth. A lot of the really strange shit stuck in my memory (like the sun being created four days after day and night was seperated)

 

[none]

Or better... if the Bible is read literally, how do you make a goat be born with a checkerboard pattern in its fur?

Or you can troll

The Bible does describe what causes coloration patterns in animals... it's nothing to do with reality but was taken as truth at the time the Bible was written.

People still believe it but will not describe the metric which they judge it apparently

 

[Learner]

You do understand that the duration of sunlight and sunset isn't 12 hours

Sure and it would be different durations depending where one is located in the world. 12 Hours maked time regardless and various cultures did their business or worshipping in this respect according to and between sunlight and sunset

 

[none]

You do understand that the duration of sunlight and sunset isn't 12 hours

Sure and it would be different durations depending where one is located in the world. 12 Hours maked time regardless and various culture did the business between sunlight and sunset

So day has nothing to do with sunlight because sunlight, sunrise and sunset, is not not 12 hours?

 

[Learner]

You do understand that the duration of sunlight and sunset isn't 12 hours

Sure and it would be different durations depending where one is located in the world. 12 Hours maked time regardless and various culture did the business between sunlight and sunset

So day has nothing to do with sunlight because sunlight, sunrise and sunset, are not not 12 hours?

Not so much today people go by sunset or sunrise the system (natural) has changed. 7 am in the morning in December, its still dark here and 7.am in summer its light. Regardless of it changing from being dark one season then light in another season, I do my chores at a set time (artificial time some call it)

 

[none]

You do understand that the duration of sunlight and sunset isn't 12 hours

Sure and it would be different durations depending where one is located in the world. 12 Hours maked time regardless and various cultures did their business or worshipping in this respect according to and between sunlight and sunset

So if you worship at night or did business at night it would still be day, depending on location??
So a guy or gal with no sunlight would be experiencing day??

 

[Learner]

So a guy or gal with no sunlight would be experiencing day??

? They'd be fast asleep I suspect.

 

[none]

So a guy or gal with no sunlight would be experiencing day??

? They'd be fast asleep I suspect.

So now day means 12 hours and they werent really doing business or praying? Because it was night??

 

[none]

I mean come on
Three earth was empty for 3 days so it couldn't be based on sunlight??
Wtf

 

[Learner]

So a guy or gal with no sunlight would be experiencing day??

? They'd be fast asleep I suspect.

So now day means 12 hours and they werent really doing business or paying?

Between sunset and sunrise variable in different locations acros the world but its still 12 hours for a complete calender day.

 

[none]

So now day means 12 hours and they werent really doing business or paying?

Between sunset and sunrise variable in different locations acros the world but its still 12 hours for a complete calender day.

So sunrise AMD sunset has nothing to do with day because that's variable

 

[Learner]

I mean come on
Three earth was empty for 3 days so it couldn't be based on sunlight??
Wtf

The first of every month is actually based on the full moon when it came to exist ... in the biblical luni-solar calender

 

[none]

I mean come on
Three earth was empty for 3 days so it couldn't be based on sunlight??
Wtf

The first of every month is actually based on the full moon when it came to exist ... in the biblical luni-solar calender

Great so in the first month the was three days without sunset and sunrise

 

[Learner]

So sunrise AMD sunset has nothing to do with day because that's variable

Daylight days has variable durations ,what else?


Now I'm going to do my chores so by all means post and I'll reply later.

 

[skepticalbip]

Well we could go into how badly slaves are allowed to be beaten, after examining how slavery is perfectly acceptable by the Bible's god. It always struck me as odd that slavery and the severe beating of slaves didn't make it into the sins list but envy did.

 

[none]

So sunrise AMD sunset has nothing to do with day because that's variable

Daylight days has variable durations ,what else?

I'm just trying follow you
Sunrise and sunset aren't 12 hours except when it's 12 hours depending location
Day is 12 hours if somebody is praying or doing business at night
This makes perfect sense, keep schooling me on your interpretation
Once you figure it out let me know why you believe what you do about the first 13 verses of the bible

 

[Speakpigeon]

If you can add 1 then it wasn't infinite to start with.
And I agree - it's not a number.
1 is a number.
Can you add a non-number to a number?
Does truth become 15% more truthful if you multiply it by 1.15 ?
Does God live an extra few years by not smoking? No. He exists for a past and future eternity.

Like I said. It's an oxymoron to give an abstraction like infinity a finite quality like the ability to ADD it to something.

Many vacuous discussions stem from just taking everything literally.

Here, you should make the distinction between on the one hand what we usually mean with the notion of addition, notion which is obviously based on our everyday life experience that has absolutely nothing to do with the concept of infinity, and on the other formal systems which may or may not represent the common-sense notions we may have in mind.

So, there's no problem for a mathematician to invent a notion of infinity and a notion of addition that make sense when used together.

And since none of us can experience infinity, I don't see how we could possibly exclude any such operation. Rather, it's just a matter of definition.

According to this, I don't see any difficulty in the notion of adding 1 to infinity. I don't even see any problem in considering you could actually add one element to an infinity of elements. For example, consider the set of all even numbers. I think it makes sense to add for example the number 3 to this set, making the result a different set, also with an infinite number of elements, but with one element more than the first set, and a clearly identifiable element. You'd have to look carefully at all the consequence of that to give this example a clear sense but I'm sure it could be done.
EB

 

[Juma]

If you can add 1 then it wasn't infinite to start with.
And I agree - it's not a number.
1 is a number.
Can you add a non-number to a number?
Does truth become 15% more truthful if you multiply it by 1.15 ?
Does God live an extra few years by not smoking? No. He exists for a past and future eternity.

Like I said. It's an oxymoron to give an abstraction like infinity a finite quality like the ability to ADD it to something.

Many vacuous discussions stem from just taking everything literally.

Here, you should make the distinction between on the one hand what we usually mean with the notion of addition, notion which is obviously based on our everyday life experience that has absolutely nothing to do with the concept of infinity, and on the other formal systems which may or may not represent the common-sense notions we may have in mind.

So, there's no problem for a mathematician to invent a notion of infinity and a notion of addition that make sense when used together.

And since none of us can experience infinity, I don't see how we could possibly exclude any such operation. Rather, it's just a matter of definition.

According to this, I don't see any difficulty in the notion of adding 1 to infinity. I don't even see any problem in considering you could actually add one element to an infinity of elements. For example, consider the set of all even numbers. I think it makes sense to add for example the number 3 to this set, making the result a different set, also with an infinite number of elements, but with one element more than the first set, and a clearly identifiable element. You'd have to look carefully at all the consequence of that to give this example a clear sense but I'm sure it could be done.
EB

I would say that we rarher often experience things without end. As in the wast endless sea. The height of the sky etc. it is really just causedby not being able to see the end (except in case of heigth the sky) but nevertheless provides us with the experience of something without end.