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[scombrid]

J.K. Rowling, Dave Chapelle, and Dawkins are examples. Each took hits of varying degrees and were harassed without relent on social media for innocuous and even accurate statements.

What "innocuous and even accurate" statements are you referring to, and in what sense were they "canceled"?

Rowling with her accidental like of a post on Twitter, which she unliked/took down as soon as she realized her mistake. She apologized but has been harassed ever since. The harassment got even worse when she essentially told those people to go F themselves, which I admire her for. She is still reviled among that crowd.

Dawkins pointed out that yes, there are men and women. Crazy stuff I know.

Chapelle took a trans comedian on the road to open for him. In his act he made a joke about how she bombed her first night out, but then got better after time went on. For that, he has been castigated.

Reasonable people don't like that shit. Also, things like that get associated with the Dem party, which the Dem party then tacitly supports these extremists by not publicly rejecting those extremists, so people associate extremist nonsense with the party.

Other terms like "white people problems" and "male toxicity," both of which are usually made in sweeping generalities are other things that exclude millions from the party. Why the DNC doesn't come out and reject those sweeping generalities is beyond me.

These attitudes come from a tiny percentage of the voting population but they have an outsized voice that damages the whole; and the Dems don't do anything to fix it.

That’s a lie about Rowling context. And Dawkins is a fucking shitweasel that can’t get laid unless he has some kind of coercive power dynamic. Fucking pathetic and a huge let down. I loved The Blind Watchmaker and Selfish Gene. Then I find out that he is barely a step above Jordan Peterson.

But beyond that. Extremism undoes the left but is a huge benefit for the GOP? Why the double standard. Why is it extreme to comment on public speech but not to engage in the overbearing government action that the right wing supports?

 

[scombrid]

Maybe Eric Swalwell is the single unluckiest person in the world?

Live by the witchhunt, die by the witchhunt.

I like how people like thebeave, Derec, and TSwizzle think rape is a serious charge and Swalwell is entitled to due process... but simultaneously that this is a "witchhunt". Which implies they don't believe the accusations are real at all, from the start, going from Swalwell is innocent until proven guilty to the Swalwell accusers are lying. Which oddly enough, perjury is also a crime, but the women aren't entitled to being innocent until proven guilty as well.

Your implication is wrong. I don't know whether the accusations are true or not. Much of the interaction with ES happened via Snapchat, which does not preserve messages. At this point, the allegations are being investigated by the Manhatten DA and LAPD SVU. Perhaps we will find out soon what happened. The whole thing does have the vibe of a political witch hunt though:

How Eric Swalwell's fall was brought on by a network of women who organized online

"It was really three girls in a group chat that were figuring out how we were going to bring this story forward, consolidate a group of women together, and get their story told the right way," said Hunt, explaining how she and Albrecht teamed up with Arielle Fodor, another creator who had also been posting and receiving messages about Swalwell.

Its a little odd that the alleged actions by ES against these women happened quite a number of years ago, but it was only when he was doing well in his bid for the governer that they decided to all get together and bring it to the public. Given he has dropped out of Fed and state politics altogether now, The phrase " live by the witchhunt, die by the witchhunt" seems apropro to me.

Yeah. It’s always just a witch hunt. Well it was in Al Franken’s case… But most of the time they might as well be DJT.

 

[laughing dog]

A witch hunt implies the accusation is false (or unbelievable).

These accusations do not meet that standard.

So why the rush to defend this white guy by implying the accusations are unfounded or unbelievable?

 

[Derec]

A witch hunt implies the accusation is false (or unbelievable).

The timing is definitely highly suspect. As is jumping to conclusions.

So why the rush to defend this white guy by implying the accusations are unfounded or unbelievable?

What does him being white have to do with anything? Other than that to the far leftists like you, straight white men are at the very bottom of the progressive stack.

 

[Derec]

And Dawkins is a fucking shitweasel that can’t get laid unless he has some kind of coercive power dynamic. Fucking pathetic and a huge let down.

How do you know that? The left-wing part of the Atheist movement turned on Dawkins because he dared criticize Islam and radical feminism.
So I would take any claims they make about him with an entire salt mine.

 

[Elixir]

Newsom should definitely run for president.

Yes, according to the NY Post
(Don’t look East, because that’s where Swiz’s boy Trump is BLOWING MORE THAN THAT EVERY SINGLE DAY.

 

[bilby]

Ha! The Governor's office double-counted my retirement by accident and miscalculated the state budget to the tune of 2 billion dollars!

You get a two billion dollar pension? I would retire today...

 

[Politesse]

Ha! The Governor's office double-counted my retirement by accident and miscalculated the state budget to the tune of 2 billion dollars!

You get a two billion dollar pension? I would retire today...

That's not all mine, alas....

 

[Politesse]

It always amazes me just how many people run for governor. In 2018, there were 27 candidates in the primary election for governor; only 3 candidates received more than a million votes in the end. Many of the no-names are running again in this election. Some haven't so much as put up a website to explain their views and position. Surely all these candidates realize on some level that they aren't getting the nomination? Why do they waste our time and money crowding up the ballot? Like, does Alicia Lapp really think she has a fighting chance of suddenly becoming the top Republican at this point? What about Lukasz Filinski? I can nothing on him. Ballotpedia doesn't have so much as a photograph or a party of affiliation. Digging around, I found a LinkedIn profile that lists his profession but doesn't mention that he's running for governor, and an X profile for him... with no posts. So why is he in the race?

 

[thebeave]

A witch hunt implies the accusation is false (or unbelievable).

These accusations do not meet that standard.

So why the rush to defend this white guy by implying the accusations are unfounded or unbelievable?

"Witch hunt" has long been a slang term, with multiple definitions and evolving meanings. In addition to what you said, "unproven allegations" could reasonably be added as well. Which is what they are at this point in the process.

If you think I am defending "Eric Swalwell, White Male Congressman from California", then you need to reread what I've written about him. I certainly have no particular love for the guy:

Post # 1528 where I called him a "clown" and broke the news on his rape allegations
Post # 1633 where I mocked him on a video of him pontificating about multiple sexual assault allegations against Kananaugh.

 

[thebeave]

It always amazes me just how many people run for governor. In 2018, there were 27 candidates in the primary election for governor; only 3 candidates received more than a million votes in the end. Many of the no-names are running again in this election. Some haven't so much as put up a website to explain their views and position. Surely all these candidates realize on some level that they aren't getting the nomination? Why do they waste our time and money crowding up the ballot? Like, does Alicia Lapp really think she has a fighting chance of suddenly becoming the top Republican at this point? What about Lukasz Filinski? I can nothing on him. Ballotpedia doesn't have so much as a photograph or a party of affiliation. Digging around, I found a LinkedIn profile that lists his profession but doesn't mention that he's running for governor, and an X profile for him... with no posts. So why is he in the race?

Well, at least its not as bad as the recall election of 2003 when Arnold won. Gary Coleman and a porn star were among the 135 candidates who ran that time.

 

[Elixir]

Well, at least its not as bad as the recall election of 2003 when Arnold won. Gary Coleman and a porn star were among the 135 candidates who ran that time.

Aaaak!
I don’t know how you and Swiz can stand it!

 

[Politesse]

It always amazes me just how many people run for governor. In 2018, there were 27 candidates in the primary election for governor; only 3 candidates received more than a million votes in the end. Many of the no-names are running again in this election. Some haven't so much as put up a website to explain their views and position. Surely all these candidates realize on some level that they aren't getting the nomination? Why do they waste our time and money crowding up the ballot? Like, does Alicia Lapp really think she has a fighting chance of suddenly becoming the top Republican at this point? What about Lukasz Filinski? I can nothing on him. Ballotpedia doesn't have so much as a photograph or a party of affiliation. Digging around, I found a LinkedIn profile that lists his profession but doesn't mention that he's running for governor, and an X profile for him... with no posts. So why is he in the race?

Well, at least its not as bad as the recall election of 2003 when Arnold won. Gary Coleman and a porn star were among the 135 candidates who ran that time.

Oh, I remember it well. The ballot looked like a fucking novel, and there were basically no serious candidates among them. Fun fact: The leading Republican candidate aside from Schwarzenegger in that election is my district's House Rep now, and he redefines uselessness in office. A Trump lackey who isn't even high in the Trump hierarchy despite his best efforts to grovel (and a lot of golfing).

 

[laughing dog]

A witch hunt implies the accusation is false (or unbelievable).

These accusations do not meet that standard.

So why the rush to defend this white guy by implying the accusations are unfounded or unbelievable?

"Witch hunt" has long been a slang term, with multiple definitions and evolving meanings. In addition to what you said, "unproven allegations" could reasonably be added as well. Which is what they are at this point in the process.

Allegations are usually unproven, otherwise they are either truth or fiction.

Mr Swalwell resigned from Congress and withdrew from the Governor’s race. Both actions suggest there is something in his past he wishes to keep private. Maybe not.

My observation was motivated by the usual “innocent until proven guilty” defense that is inappropriate for public opinion instead of criminal trial.

 

[thebeave]

Well, at least its not as bad as the recall election of 2003 when Arnold won. Gary Coleman and a porn star were among the 135 candidates who ran that time.

Aaaak!
I don’t know how you and Swiz can stand it!

Venting on this forum helps, but you guys always dismiss it, say "Trump is worse, blah, blah, blah" and make fun of us.